All About Fixed Weeks (RIV/CCV/AUL/VGF/POLY/TOWER/VHD/FWC Charts)

[princesscinderella]

And anytime you split each is a separate contract. Buy 100 pts and split it into 50 and 50 and you have 2 contracts.

I have 9 contracts under one UY so they all work together but you are correct they are two separate contracts and you have to pay closing on each one separately, but they can be sold separately too later on if need be too.

 

[zobel0022]

It sounds like they want you to purchase enough points to supplement the fixed week to get it to 150. Or maybe they've just decided they don't care if they sell fixed weeks for studios.

This is pretty much exactly what he told me. Hate to tie 20 points to that contract just to get to $150.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

This is pretty much exactly what he told me. Hate to tie 20 points to that contract just to get to $150.

I know I wrote that but it's a little strange as it would have be a separate contract. The fixed week stands on it's own and they can't just change the amount. So then you could sell the 20 (or I'm guessing 25 pts) anytime. It's strange though that they'd insist on that but not accept the 2 fixed weeks to count towards the minimum. I'd tell them OK and see what the contracts look like when you get them. You can always not sign.

 

[ziravan]

I would push back some. If you’re buying 2 fixed weeks that’s what ? 240 minimum.

they should be able to bend to make that happen.

someone needs to make something move for you. Especially since adding a few points to the first fixed week is essentially a second contract anyway.

I suppose the concern is that you sell one and now you’re under 150. But if you did, at that point, you’d almost certainly add on enough to keep your blue card anyway.

In fact, you might consider a small point to 150 as blue card insurance anyway. That would allow you to sell a contract and be grandfathered at 150 for a blue card. IN THAT CASE, I’d make the small contract just big enough to equal 150 for either contract to give you flexibility as to which to sell at some future date.

 

[zobel0022]

I would push back some. If you’re buying 2 fixed weeks that’s what ? 240 minimum.

they should be able to bend to make that happen.

someone needs to make something move for you. Especially since adding a few points to the first fixed week is essentially a second contract anyway.

I suppose the concern is that you sell one and now you’re under 150. But if you did, at that point, you’d almost certainly add on enough to keep your blue card anyway.

In fact, you might consider a small point to 150 as blue card insurance anyway. That would allow you to sell a contract and be grandfathered at 150 for a blue card. IN THAT CASE, I’d make the small contract just big enough to equal 150 for either contract to give you flexibility as to which to sell at some future date.

Supposedly the budge was not possible.

Only options are:

1.two fw sd studios at 130 each but have to add 20 pt’s that’s tied to the first contracts to get it to 150

2. buy 150 pts then add a fw sv studio

3. Do a pv that’s 160 pts then add a sv contract after.

they will still give me incentive on full amount of points so they can combine on incentives but not on contracts…seems crazy.

with the current situation I’m leaning SV and PV and adding 7 points which gets me to the 300 pt incentives. A little more than I wanted to spend but whatcha going to do…

 

[ziravan]

Supposedly the budge was not possible.

Only options are:

1.two fw sd studios at 130 each but have to add 20 pt’s that’s tied to the first contracts to get it to 150

2. buy 150 pts then add a fw sv studio

3. Do a pv that’s 160 pts then add a sv contract after.

they will still give me incentive on full amount of points so they can combine on incentives but not on contracts…seems crazy.

with the current situation I’m leaning SV and PV and adding 7 points which gets me to the 300 pt incentives. A little more than I wanted to spend but whatcha going to do…

I think you will enjoy the fixed weeks.

We have a Poly fixed week for 1st week of Nov. In 2015 that was 153 pts without the guarantee that we bought for 168 points.

Now. Same week is 181 points (unless they fix the chart).

We’ve never used the guarantee to this point but will now probably start.

Given that resale owners are locked into Riviera and over time will swamp studio bookings at 11 months to ensure availability, I wouldn’t buy at Riviera without the guarantee.

 

[kandlsutton]

I bought FW 52 SV studio at RIV and it’s for 196 points and i wanted to get over two hundred to get the next incentive so I added on a small 34 point contract too so I could book another night if I wanted to add another day to my fixed week. The fixed week needs to be its own separate contract because all the points in it will be used to book that week each use year.

I was looking into the same thing, but my guide told me the minimum add-on at RIV is 50 pts, so I would have had to add a 54pt contract. Would have gotten me a higher incentive at 250, but way more than I wanted to pay right now.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Supposedly the budge was not possible.

Only options are:

1.two fw sd studios at 130 each but have to add 20 pt’s that’s tied to the first contracts to get it to 150

2. buy 150 pts then add a fw sv studio

3. Do a pv that’s 160 pts then add a sv contract after.

they will still give me incentive on full amount of points so they can combine on incentives but not on contracts…seems crazy.

with the current situation I’m leaning SV and PV and adding 7 points which gets me to the 300 pt incentives. A little more than I wanted to spend but whatcha going to do…

I am really curious about this "tied to the first contracts" part for the 20 points. Have they been spending IT time to create fixed weeks that have a contract value of 150 points but will only use the 130 to book leaving 20 points in the UY to be used?

 

[sethschroeder]

Supposedly the budge was not possible.

I would honestly just call in to the sales line and talk to someone else.

 

[princesscinderella]

I am really curious about this "tied to the first contracts" part for the 20 points. Have they been spending IT time to create fixed weeks that have a contract value of 150 points but will only use the 130 to book leaving 20 points in the UY to be used?

If I wanted to get the 200 pt incentive threshold for my 196 pt FW they would have sold it as a 200 point FW contract to me but those 4 extra points would have been used too when the fixed week stay was used. If I used the points to book something other than the FW I would have had 200 points to use. So the 150 points would be used if the FW was taken and there would be no extra points on the table that year, but if forfeited you could book with 150 points. It’s a weird nuance of the FW contract. That’s why I was able to get them to make an exception and sell me an extra 34 point contract.

 

[Lorana]

If I wanted to get the 200 pt incentive threshold for my 196 pt FW they would have sold it as a 200 point FW contract to me but those 4 extra points would have been used too when the fixed week stay was used. If I used the points to book something other than the FW I would have had 200 points to use. So the 150 points would be used if the FW was taken and there would be no extra points on the table that year, but if forfeited you could book with 150 points. It’s a weird nuance of the FW contract. That’s why I was able to get them to make an exception and sell me an extra 34 point contract.

Will they book that extra day for you when booking your fixed week? If you book it, are the points available to you but you’re restricted to use it for an extra day on your fixed week, or do you have to call to book it? What happens if the point chart changes and you don’t have enough for an extra day, are those points lost?

This seems a little strange to me that DVC is doing it this way, and also requiring extra points in a FW contract to meet the 150 minimum for new owners.

If it were me, I’d be tempted to buy a small resale contract, become an owner which qualifies me for the better owner incentives, buy the fixed weeks, then sell the resale contract. (Oh, who am I kidding. I’d keep the extra points…)

 

[princesscinderella]

Will they book that extra day for you when booking your fixed week? If you book it, are the points available to you but you’re restricted to use it for an extra day on your fixed week, or do you have to call to book it? What happens if the point chart changes and you don’t have enough for an extra day, are those points lost?

This seems a little strange to me that DVC is doing it this way, and also requiring extra points in a FW contract to meet the 150 minimum for new owners.

If it were me, I’d be tempted to buy a small resale contract, become an owner which qualifies me for the better owner incentives, buy the fixed weeks, then sell the resale contract. (Oh, who am I kidding. I’d keep the extra points…)

No my extra 34 points contract is not attached to the fixed week, it is a regular small point contract, just for an odd number of points. I would have to book the extra day on my own just like everyone else. But it gives the the flexibility to add a Saturday or a Monday on the end. It’s currently 32 points for a Saturday night to add to my fixed week so I gave myself a two point cushion. If we don’t want the extra day we can get a tower studio for two days instead, or combine it with our other contracts at the 7 month window or bank and borrow to have more points for a longer stay in a studio.

 

[zobel0022]

Will they book that extra day for you when booking your fixed week? If you book it, are the points available to you but you’re restricted to use it for an extra day on your fixed week, or do you have to call to book it? What happens if the point chart changes and you don’t have enough for an extra day, are those points lost?

This seems a little strange to me that DVC is doing it this way, and also requiring extra points in a FW contract to meet the 150 minimum for new owners.

If it were me, I’d be tempted to buy a small resale contract, become an owner which qualifies me for the better owner incentives, buy the fixed weeks, then sell the resale contract. (Oh, who am I kidding. I’d keep the extra points…)

For mine they are saying if I use the fixed week the extra points are lost. So essentially playing 150 for a 130 Sv studio. You only get the extra points if you exchange the week for points. So pretty much would make it worthless to ever use the week.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

So if I am correct, the lowest fixed week is/was 118 points at CCV. At the time of initial sales, I think the minimum for blue card was either 75 points or 100 pts. direct. So one could buy the smallest fixed week point requirement and still qualify for blue card benefits ( not talking about purchase incentives). . Now if a FW at CCV for 118 pts. is available direct, it will not qualify for direct benefits? Wow!!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

If I wanted to get the 200 pt incentive threshold for my 196 pt FW they would have sold it as a 200 point FW contract to me but those 4 extra points would have been used too when the fixed week stay was used. If I used the points to book something other than the FW I would have had 200 points to use. So the 150 points would be used if the FW was taken and there would be no extra points on the table that year, but if forfeited you could book with 150 points. It’s a weird nuance of the FW contract. That’s why I was able to get them to make an exception and sell me an extra 34 point contract.

For mine they are saying if I use the fixed week the extra points are lost. So essentially playing 150 for a 130 Sv studio. You only get the extra points if you exchange the week for points. So pretty much would make it worthless to ever use the week.

Very interesting.

 

[zobel0022]

So if I am correct, the lowest fixed week is/was 118 points at CCV. At the time of initial sales, I think the minimum for blue card was either 75 points or 100 pts. direct. So one could buy the smallest fixed week point requirement and still qualify for blue card benefits ( not talking about purchase incentives). . Now if a FW at CCV for 118 pts. is available direct, it will not qualify for direct benefits? Wow!!

if you are not a current member I don’t think they will even sell it to you until you hit the 150 pt minimum…

 

[Littlelulu01]

I was already grandfathered in with AKV direct points and purchased an add on 120 fixed Rivera contract. At the time of purchase, 125 was required for membership extras so the Rivera contract as a stand alone will not give me the direct benefits should I ever sell my Akv points. To reach 125, the extra 5 points at the time were only a couple hundred extra because of increased incentive offer at 125. I stuck with the 120 because I didn’t want to use an extra 5 points every time I used the fixed week. Seems pretty petty to lose direct membership benefits if I ever sell Akv. There’s also the issue of way down the road Rivera has 13 more years than Akv. In 2057 will I be told I no longer have direct benefits because back in 2020 they increased threshold from 100 to 125? All this makes the system appear a little time share slimy. My guide told me they increased thresholds to avoid folks purchasing a 25 …point contract and messing up availability for everyone else. Ok…. Well that explanation doesn’t cut it for the direct fixed week sales.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I thought each contract is grandfathered in at the terms at the time of purchase? When I purchased my 60 and 65 point contracts in 2013, 50 points was the minimum. I expect to be grandfathered in with the blue card benefits should my total membership points threshold fall below 150 pts. I mean they can’t keep changing the terms after purchase when at that time one was in compliance. I would challenge that.

 

[sethschroeder]

I thought each contract is grandfathered in at the terms at the time of purchase? When I purchased my 60 and 65 point contracts in 2013, 50 points was the minimum. I expect to be grandfathered in with the blue card benefits should my total membership points threshold fall below 150 pts. I mean they can’t keep changing the terms after purchase when at that time one was in compliance. I would challenge that.

Yes but they bought a 120 FW when the requirement was 125 points. So when they eventually sell/expire their AK contract they will only have a 120 FW left which does not qualify for blue card.

 

[zobel0022]

I thought each contract is grandfathered in at the terms at the time of purchase? When I purchased my 60 and 65 point contracts in 2013, 50 points was the minimum. I expect to be grandfathered in with the blue card benefits should my total membership points threshold fall below 150 pts. I mean they can’t keep changing the terms after purchase when at that time one was in compliance. I would challenge that.

So if you bought a new contract now for only 140 pts and sold your two back when the limit was only 50 pts you would lose your perks.