Air Marshall Kills Passenger

[BuzznBelle'smom]

It's very difficult for someone not familiar with bipolar and psychotic episodes to know what they would or should do when one happens. This summer, my (bipolar) mother had a psychotic episode and was convinced she had to slit her dog's throat. Were we justified in taking the knives away? Am I justified in not letting her babysit her grandkids, even though she would love to?

I feel bad for the wife since she "made" the guy fly. I'm sure she had no idea he was going to do what he did. If it were my mom, there's no way I would blame the marshal, having seen first hand just how bipolarity can affect one's reality.

 

[jekajekalynn]

Let me ask you; if you were on that flight and this happened, except in he had a bomb and it went off because the air marshal didn't shoot to kill, would you be mad if your husband/wife was killed because he wasn't fully stopped?

 

[ckay87]

It's very difficult for someone not familiar with bipolar and psychotic episodes to know what they would or should do when one happens. This summer, my (bipolar) mother had a psychotic episode and was convinced she had to slit her dog's throat. Were we justified in taking the knives away? Am I justified in not letting her babysit her grandkids, even though she would love to?

I feel bad for the wife since she "made" the guy fly. I'm sure she had no idea he was going to do what he did. If it were my mom, there's no way I would blame the marshal, having seen first hand just how bipolarity can affect one's reality.

I think you can speak to this topic better than anyone. to you and your mom.

 

[mookie]

We have a family friend that is an Air Marshal based out of Miami. We have been trying to find out if it was him that was involved. I don't know if we'll ever find out (he obviously has to be very secretive of his job) but regardless, I'm sure even though that Air Marshal was just doing his job, it's still a tought situation for him/her to have to deal with, as well.

 

[tiger95]

Let me ask you; if you were on that flight and this happened, except in he had a bomb and it went off because the air marshal didn't shoot to kill, would you be mad if your husband/wife was killed because he wasn't fully stopped?

EXACTLY.

It is a sad situation, both for the air marshal that had to do his JOB and protect the people on that plane and the family that lost a love one. But he made split second decsion, that a lot of us wouldn't have the guts to make. I am thankful for men/women like this air marshal and police people that protect us each and every day.

JD

 

[dcentity2000]

Saying that the Air Marshalls' job was more important than the victim's death is a distortion. Yes, the Air Marshall had to act, but this in no way makes the tragedy any less awful.

My heart goes out to the family as well as to the marshall - he just killed an innocent man and must hate himself for it, as any human would.



Rich::

 

[RitaZ.]

Saying that the Air Marshalls' job was more important than the victim's death is a distortion. Yes, the Air Marshall had to act, but this in no way makes the tragedy any less awful.

My heart goes out to the family as well as to the marshall - he just killed an innocent man and must hate himself for it, as any human would.



Rich::

This is the point I was trying to get across. I never said the AM was wrong for doing his job, re-read my posts if you like. The fact that a man was shot to death was "getting lost" with all the affirmations that the AM was doing his job. It's a tragedy all around. It's important to look at all sides of the tragedy.

 

[Bob Slydell]

This is the point I was trying to get across. I never said the AM was wrong for doing his job, re-read my posts if you like. The fact that a man was shot to death was "getting lost" with all the affirmations that the AM was doing his job. It's a tragedy all around. It's important to look at all sides of the tragedy.

I've read the whole thread a couple times and I've yet to see anyone not say this whole thing wasn't a tragedy?

It's a sad event for all parties involved, there's no doubt about that.

 

[MICKEY88]

Saying that the Air Marshalls' job was more important than the victim's death is a distortion. Yes, the Air Marshall had to act, but this in no way makes the tragedy any less awful.

My heart goes out to the family as well as to the marshall - he just killed an innocent man and must hate himself for it, as any human would.



Rich::

no one said the death wasn't tragic, people were just responding to the post that was saying the marshal over reacted...

I also think hate is a rather strong term...I'm sure the Marshal, feels bad, should he hate himself...NO... anyone who would hate themselves for doing a job, shouldn't take the job.....



he did what he was trained to do,,react quickly and protect others...it's easy to see the situation afterwards and think it should have ended differently, but unfortunately these situations require split second decisions

 

[RitaZ.]

Steve, my comment was directed at those that simply replied that the AM was doing his job without mention of the man.

 

[Bob Slydell]

Steve, my comment was directed at those that simply replied that the AM was doing his job without mention of the man.

I guess I needed a third reading then -- I missed those the first two times.

 

[RitaZ.]

No problem!

 

[MICKEY88]

This is the point I was trying to get across. I never said the AM was wrong for doing his job, re-read my posts if you like. The fact that a man was shot to death was "getting lost" with all the affirmations that the AM was doing his job. It's a tragedy all around. It's important to look at all sides of the tragedy.

the tragedy of the death wasn't getting lost, most people were responding to

FayeW, having said thet the Marshal should have shot to immobilize the man rather than killing him,,people were just explaining why immobilizing wasn't an option,



you didn't say the AM was wrong, but you questioned whether anyone would have thought the AM was right if it had been a family member of theirs that had been shot, that makes it appear that you think the AM was wrong..

 

[RitaZ.]

you didn't say the AM was wrong, but you questioned whether anyone would have thought the AM was right if it had been a family member of theirs that had been shot, that makes it appear that you think the AM was wrong..

Mickey~ Evidently, you continue to interpret my statements any way that you like. Heck, blame on the fact that English isn't my first language, maybe that's why I didn't get my point across. Enjoy your day and continue to dissect every single word that I have written in this thread.

 

[laura001]

It is so so sad. What an unfortunate turn of events for everyone involved. There is no way of having a different outcome if we are to try to keep everyone safe. I agree with others in saying that it is nice to know that there are air marshalls in the sky.

 

[dcentity2000]

no one said the death wasn't tragic, people were just responding to the post that was saying the marshal over reacted...

I also think hate is a rather strong term...I'm sure the Marshal, feels bad, should he hate himself...NO... anyone who would hate themselves for doing a job, shouldn't take the job.....



he did what he was trained to do,,react quickly and protect others...it's easy to see the situation afterwards and think it should have ended differently, but unfortunately these situations require split second decisions

No, but people were focusing on the Air Marshall first rather than the tragedy - or at least, that's how they came across to some of us.

Knowing that he was just doing his job will probably not give the poor marshall much comfort. Police forces involved in fatalities are regularly given psychotherapy just to help them deal with the tragedy in which they were involved - many quit altogether (at least, they do here in the UK).



Rich::

 

[MICKEY88]

Mickey~ Evidently, you continue to interpret my statements any way that you like. Heck, blame on the fact that English isn't my first language, maybe that's why I didn't get my point across. Enjoy your day and continue to dissect every single word that I have written in this thread.

I have not disected anything, merely replied to, trying to explain where others are coming from..and trying to help you see why people were not agreeing with you, when you kept asking people how they'd feel if it was a family member it came across to me and obviously others that you thought the AM was wrong,,,

I was not attacking you, nor dissecting your words, merely explaining how I and others were seeing them,,if I've upset you I apologize, that was not my intent, nor my style...those who know me personally will tell you I'm one of the nicest, easy going, helpful people you could meet...

again I apologize for upsetting you

 

[cardaway]

Steve, my comment was directed at those that simply replied that the AM was doing his job without mention of the man.

Because that is where the discussion was heading.

I think everybody feels bad for the family, that's a given.

 

[Mermaid02]

Because that is where the discussion was heading.

I think everybody feels bad for the family, that's a given.

I wrote only "The Air Marshal was doing his job" because it's true. It's horrible that a mentally ill man had to be killed- but it would have been an even bigger tragedy if that mentally ill man DID have a bomb and killed everyone on the plane. The Air Marshal shouldn't HATE himself, he should be commended that he had the nerve to do the duty he was trained to do, protect the passengers on the plane.

 

[bicker]

I wonder if you would accept that reasoning if it was your husband, wife, mother, father or child that was shot to death. Somehow, I doubt it.

Don't presume. I would be the first one to advocate that reasoning, should my wife, mother, father or any other member of my family was killed after making a threatening gesture with a backpack to an air marshall after being told to surrender. My love for my family doesn't mean I lose my rational ability when it drives to a conclusion that I might find uncomfortable.