Agree to Disagree! DISUnplugged Show March 22!

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Waited until they were done asking. Watched them leave it sitting on the printer. Slyly walked by the printer and grabbed the sheets. Made a beeline back to my office, where they now meet their fate:

You have a color printer at work?
Man, back when I had a job, I had to beg for a color printer and disguise it as buying a new fax machine to get one. And I was doing work that really needed to be printed in color.
I'm jealous.
 
Time to weigh in with my $.02 worth. I could see paying $150 for three hours access to the Magic Kingdom. (I spent $75 a head for access to Universal's Diagon Alley for 3 hours.) It depends on things that Disney will not release beforehand, namely the number of tickets to be sold. At 1,000 total tickets I could see this being very worthwhile. At 10,000, not so much. Disney has oversold events before. <insert Pete rant here>

As to Disney squeezing more money out of its guests, that is what companies do. Despite comments to the contrary, corporations are NOT people. They exist to make money and nothing else (well, and to shield the rich from liabilities). Customer service and satisfaction are merely costs of doing business, along with employees, utilities, taxes, etc. Disney will cut costs (e.g. customer satisfaction) so long as it has a positive effect on the bottom line; likewise with raising prices. That said, Disney has not yet priced me out of a trip to the world. I don't know what the breaking point is but I expect Disney will discover it before I do.
 
I agree that capitalism is great and it is what is is. We don't have to like it when prices go up. I think that many of us including me have to take a real look on what Pete has said before "the value". For me its getting hard because I loved what Disney was, but not a big fan of the nickel and dimming us for everything. I completely understand how capitalism works.

I JUST HOPE THAT PEOPLE WON'T PAY THESE CRAZY PRICES FOR EXTRA HOURS BUT WE ALL KNOW IT WILL SELL OUT. HOW UNFORTUNATE!

I just stinks when something you where once so passionate about has lost what it was to you. guess thats a sign of getting older and reliving in my mind what it was to me.

WDW has never been cheap. On that note they seemed to provide more. Better customer service. Great Cast Members, don't get me wrong there are still a ton of great cast members. It just seems they're charge more for less. Plus they are laying people off and rasing prices. Again I understand its a business and other factors such as china over runs. But its getting harder to justify spending my money on things that I don't agree with.

My problem is that I love WDW but these days its becoming harder to to pay these prices. I most likely will continue to go which is the problem I know. Call me old fashion But I would love to see things like Epcot return to its former self meaning future world and comunicore east and west, it always seemed like a cool science museum.

So if we do continue to renew our passes and go to Disney in general we will have to make some sacrifices as we need to.
 
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Time to weigh in with my $.02 worth. I could see paying $150 for three hours access to the Magic Kingdom. (I spent $75 a head for access to Universal's Diagon Alley for 3 hours.) It depends on things that Disney will not release beforehand, namely the number of tickets to be sold. At 1,000 total tickets I could see this being very worthwhile. At 10,000, not so much. Disney has oversold events before. <insert Pete rant here>

As to Disney squeezing more money out of its guests, that is what companies do. Despite comments to the contrary, corporations are NOT people. They exist to make money and nothing else (well, and to shield the rich from liabilities). Customer service and satisfaction are merely costs of doing business, along with employees, utilities, taxes, etc. Disney will cut costs (e.g. customer satisfaction) so long as it has a positive effect on the bottom line; likewise with raising prices. That said, Disney has not yet priced me out of a trip to the world. I don't know what the breaking point is but I expect Disney will discover it before I do.

Fully agree - the only thing that I think is a bit unique to Disney (and I guess to other luxury brands that people have an affinity for) is that if you change that passion for the brand or it not has a less positive connotation attached to it, then you are lowering the value of it and negatively impacting the potential future profits.

Clearly from this thread people are upset / discouraged by recent actions by Disney (we can argue if they should or shouldn't be - but the fact is they are) - Disney likely won't feel the hit financially of this this week or next, but what about 5 year or 10 years from now?
 

I agree that capitalism is great and it is what is is. We don't have to like it when prices go up. I think that many of us including me have to take a real look on what Pete has said before "the value". For me its getting hard because I loved what Disney was, but not a big fan of the nickel and dimming us for everything. I completely understand how capitalism works.
I just stinks when something you where once so passionate about has lost what it was to you. WDW has never been cheap. On that note they seemed to provide more. Better customer service. Great Cast Members, dint get me wrong there are still a ton of great cast members. It just seems they're charge more for less. Plus they are laying people off and rasing prices. Again i understand its a business and other factors such as china over runs

you hit the nail on the head for me of what the concern is ... more and more charging for things while the quality of the "base" experience is at least coming under question. Cost cutting rarely ever leads to a better experience for the consumer - so a lessened experience combined with higher fees (or potential higher fees for "extra") is not a good combination for instilling customer confidence

(note I say this as a hypocrite who is stalking rivers of light dining package threads)
 
...OR is it a sign that buses, boats and monorails could be RFID reader equipped at some point to ensure only onsite guests are using these services? Active imaginations- maybe, but could it be foreshadowing?

Do not think that there are not RFID readers already on the monorails and buses. What a lot of folks thought was the "automation" of the monorails was, in reality, putting network access on board. If MM+ and Magic bands were really more for crowd control, then WDW Transportation knows who has RFID tags on the transportation systems.

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The more we discuss this (and honestly, I just like kicking it around) the more I see your point. I was just doing the "math" of, as @WebmasterMike has deemed it, "EEEMH" and it's about $140 more for me to do that vs. doing what we've done typically (Breakfast at CP and then get the internal RD by 8:45).

EEEMH would be included for WDW Resort guests and not an extra charge. That way, WDW can charge for select evening EMH for non-resort guests. That would be my choice!!
 
SIDE NOTE: I just accidentally printed an entire page of this thread to the office printer out in the common area. I didn't realize I had done it until someone yelled out "WHICH ONE OF YOU IS KING LLAMA AND DO PEOPLE REALLY ARGUE ABOUT DISNEY WORLD ON THE INTERNET?!"

That was a dose of reality.

Okay, as you were.....
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I have told this story previously, but I think it bears repeating.

For a while, I was into the pin trading phenomenon. I went to the planned trading meets. I paid fees to attend special events. I was in deep.

At one event, I was speaking to an executive and the conversation came up about conditions that pin traders thought effected them adversely and needed to be fixed.

He explained to me that Disney loves their loyal following, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the casual guest.

Die hard pin collectors may spend (as a group) $5000.00 a day on pins. Across property, the casual guests buying a pin or two would probably spend $70,000.00.

Disney is concerned about making sure that casual guest has a good time and drops as much money as Disney can squeeze out.

i know it's cynical to believe, but the VAST majority of people visiting Disney on any given day are not diehard fans. They are casual fans on vacation.

If Disney were overly concerned about diehard fans, the restrictions and costs of annual passes would have decreased instead of increased.

But here is the rub: me, as a "diehard", is getting more and more upset with the direction they have been going lately. Which makes me consider not heading back anytime soon (aside from my trip I already have planned). Now Disney may not care that my family never comes back BUT when people come to me asking for vacation advice because they know I'm all about Disney I have become more and more reluctant to recommend Disney to anyone that asks.
 
But here is the rub: me, as a "diehard", is getting more and more upset with the direction they have been going lately. Which makes me consider not heading back anytime soon (aside from my trip I already have planned). Now Disney may not care that my family never comes back BUT when people come to me asking for vacation advice because they know I'm all about Disney I have become more and more reluctant to recommend Disney to anyone that asks.

Consumers speak with their wallets.

When Disney feels a financial hit, they will change yet again.

I'm repeating myself...so I'm going to bow out of this conversation.
 
But here is the rub: me, as a "diehard", is getting more and more upset with the direction they have been going lately. Which makes me consider not heading back anytime soon (aside from my trip I already have planned). Now Disney may not care that my family never comes back BUT when people come to me asking for vacation advice because they know I'm all about Disney I have become more and more reluctant to recommend Disney to anyone that asks.
We call Disney Fanatics ... Disney 1%, or 170,000 people of the 17,000,000 that visit annually. If everyone was disgruntled and told 16 friends (that's on average the number of people who your story gets to when you're upset), that would affect 2,720,000 people and likely not stop 95% of them from still going because regardless of your take...their family wants to experience it. So I think Disney knows after 75 years they've created something that even during the 'dark ages' was able to thrive. Hell if Six Flags is in business 40 years later...anyone can stay in business. The reality is even if 2.7 million people decided not to come, Disney still will get 17 million through it's gates somehow.

Let me say, that I think they do CARE if you don't come back, but I think they KNOW they can recover lost guests with a Free Dining offer or 30% off room only...
 
SIDE NOTE: I just accidentally printed an entire page of this thread to the office printer out in the common area. I didn't realize I had done it until someone yelled out "WHICH ONE OF YOU IS KING LLAMA AND DO PEOPLE REALLY ARGUE ABOUT DISNEY WORLD ON THE INTERNET?!"

That was a dose of reality.

Okay, as you were.....
This is quite possibly the absolute BEST thing I've read all day. All week, even. :lmao:
 
Up until a few weeks ago, someone coming in say, January, has far fewer park hours available to them than someone in July.
They paid the same amount for their ticket. Do you think that makes the January guest happy?
And sure, the July guest paid more for their resort room (presumably) but you don't need a resort room to enter the parks. You need a ticket. The same ticket Mr/Mrs January bought, for less time in the parks available to them.

Life isn't fair peeps, we don't all get a participation trophy in life (one of my new favorite Kevin quotes!!)

Has nothing to do with being fair, it has to do with being ripped off. You didn't understand my original post, because your response has
nothing to do with my original post.

In response to your response, January used to be a slow time at WDW. That's no longer the case. There are no slow times. When there were slow times wait times weren't as high as on busy times of the year.
 
I'm sure he knows as well. What I was saying is I hope if comes back to bite them in the *** both financially and in bad reviews so it forces them to change.

Universal can take the bad reviews and unhappy guest experiences at WDW and look at the cuts happening at Disney and use that information to their advantage in promoting their own parks.
 
Its a good point but I could argue that they are letting these guest in at 7pm. So those who have purchased a normal priced ticket are going to experience a fuller park because these guest can enter while they are still in there.

But I think the theory is that this is a test to see how popular this is and if Disney can continue to cut back on EMH (which they have done year after year all while increasing price and resort fees and cutting CM's hours and pay) and make people pay for them.
I think you'll find that CM pay is actually going up, not down. Aren't they increasing to $10 per hour or something?

Disney is a luxury, but it shouldn't be a huge one if you don't want it to be.
Why shouldn't it be? It can be as big a luxury as Disney wants it to be.
Attendance is increasing every year, along with all these add ons. That says something right?

Have you ever been to Disneyland?
Please don't compare DL and WDW. It's comparing apples and oranges. Totally different parks, different demographics, different attendance. Just because something works at DL, doesn't mean the same system will work at WDW (and vice versa).
No I haven't.
But Disney doesn't give a toss, obviously.
If they want to have magic mornings at WDW, they'll do it, regardless of whether it's apple and oranges.

Considering there's the announcement floating around about paid early morning entry, I don't think morning EMH is safe either. I know none of this has happened and I hate to sound all doom and gloom, but if enough families of 4 are willing to drop $600 for evening hours and $236 for mornings, even though they say it's not impacting EMH, I can't see how it wouldn't at some point. Let's say it's limited to 1000 people...that's an extra $836,000 per day in their pockets for just MK. If it becomes an all 4 parks thing, that kind of paid early and late access could lead to an extra $3,344,000 per day. Of course, all speculation, but it seems crazy not to consider that they're looking at it from this angle. i.e. if enough people buy into this stuff, we no longer need to "give away" EMH or standard evening hours in the parks.
I think your math is a little off, the $836 is for 4 people, so your calls work for 4,000 people.
But you're right, Disney is doing it because they can.
The market loves the hard ticket events, so they're smart enough to roll it out to the people who want to pay for it.

OR is it a sign that buses, boats and monorails could be RFID reader equipped at some point to ensure only onsite guests are using these services? Active imaginations- maybe, but could it be foreshadowing?
I have to admit, if this was going to make waits for transport shorter, I'd be all for this.
How ever, I think the reality is, it would probably make the congestion on the Disney roads worse.
But if totally be ok with only resort guests being allowed to use Disney transportation.

when all of this was previously something included in general admission.
EMH aren't part of general admission though.
They're part of your resort rate.

Absolutely - but wouldn't Disney want that family to have an amazing time and come home and tell all their friends so they then plan their $8,000 vacation?

But here is the rub: me, as a "diehard", is getting more and more upset with the direction they have been going lately. Which makes me consider not heading back anytime soon (aside from my trip I already have planned). Now Disney may not care that my family never comes back BUT when people come to me asking for vacation advice because they know I'm all about Disney I have become more and more reluctant to recommend Disney to anyone that asks.
As Scott pointed out earlier, I don't think Disney cares what you tell your friends.
I'd say word of mouth is actually very very ineffective with the Disney parks.
People come in droves, and it's probably not because of word of mouth, but advertising and the ingrained mentality of "LETS GO TO DISNEY WORLD!!"

Has nothing to do with being fair, it has to do with being ripped off. You didn't understand my original post, because your response has
nothing to do with my original post.

In response to your response, January used to be a slow time at WDW. That's no longer the case. There are no slow times. When there were slow times wait times weren't as high as on busy times of the year.
Well in that case, your response to my January response has nothing to do with my January response either.
I wasn't talking about crowd levels.
I was talking about the money you throw down for a ticket.
The simple fact is, you paid (not anymore obviously, hooray for tiered pricing!!) the same $ for a day ticket in January as you did in July, but got less park hours.
 
This thread is hurting my head.
We all know we will pay to go to WDW, this just may mean we go less frequently or spend less on dining. They will set prices as high as they want (google Laffer curve) and at this point the horse is dead, cooked, buried, and still getting beaten.
 
This thread is hurting my head.
We all know we will pay to go to WDW, this just may mean we go less frequently or spend less on dining. They will set prices as high as they want (google Laffer curve) and at this point the horse is dead, cooked, buried, and still getting beaten.

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