Adult Only Pool Areas/Deck...

[turtlesmom822]

Actually, I doubt that Disney would deny a Palo reservation to a married 17-year old. Most cruise liens I know of have a minimum age required for sailing alone (IE two 18-year-olds can't go alone) BUT if they are married, and can prove they're married, the age requirement is waived.

Makes complete sense.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

My... why does someone pointing out someone who is breaking the rules if it is negatively impacting their cruise offensive to you? To answer your question no, I wouldn't complain about someone wearing shorts or saving seats although it would irk me if I was actively trying to sit down and couldn't find a seat. That said, someone else would be entirely within their right to complain about those things if they wanted to since Disney has chosen to point those things out as no-nos. Surely if you go through the book there is SOME rule that you would request be enforced so you can understand where we are coming from. Noisy neighbors late at night? Kids without swim trunks? Cutting in line at the AquaDuck? Swearing/ visibly intoxicated? Smoking on non-smoking decks? The issue is that it shouldn't matter what the placement of the adult area is, the rules should be followed and, to take it a step further, if it IS that hard for people to follow the rules then we all wish that the design would be improved for the Fantasy!

I actually don't find it offensive to point it out. However, I just wanted to point out the inconsistency on this board. You're stating that some "rules" are okay to break and other "rules" should always be adhered to based on how it personally affects the person.

We'll have to simply agree to disagree. There are so many rules that are unenforced that when a rule is unenforced, it therefore, ceases to be a rule. This is the exact logic that every poster who disagrees with the dress policy uses when arguing that it's okay to disregard the dress policy. (FYI - I'm not opining on whether it's right or wrong to ignore the dress policy, but only use it as an example of the inconsistent logic applied to why it's not okay for kids to walk through the Quiet Cove pool area.)

Again, is it even a rule if it's unenforced 99% of the time? I'm only referring to families walking through the adult area, not kids under 18 who linger in the adult area. I agree that the adults-only facilities should only be used by those 18-or-over and as I stated, I think DCL does a good job with this. However, I don't consider walking through the area to get to the elevator to be "using" the amenities in that area. If that bothers you, I think you'll have as much luck at getting it fixed as those who want the dress code enforced in the MDRs.

I also find it odd that you state that you'd be okay having every single lounge chair saved at the adult pool (it'd only irk you), but if a family walked through the area with a child, you'd be upset enough to complain.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

OMG, some of the most pretentious *****s I saw were at dinner. I'm sorry, I'm a single dad with three kids. I dressed everyone up as well as I could, but there were a few at every dinner that had there noses so high in the air when they saw us I swear they'd get nose burn from scraping them on the ceiling.

Having youngsters in an adult area disrupts the entire area. Judging others by what they wear to dinner is just arrogant. What i wear has no impact on you. My kids were very well behaved, and that should suffice.

I apologize for offending you with my comparison to other common rules that are unenforced, thus, they effectively cease becoming rules as Disney doesn't want to upset guests.

I was not opining on whether or not it's okay to wear shorts to dinner and I've said many times on this board that i don't care what others wear to dinner. I am sorry that others made your family feel bad on the last cruise. I have never noticed such pretentious behavior that you endured.

I was simply trying to point out the inconsistent logic applied to BOTH the argument that it's okay to wear shorts in the dining room (a very common thread topic) and whether it's okay for kids to walk through the Quiet Cove pool. In BOTH cases, it really has no impact on other guests as long as the kids don't linger in the adult area. In BOTH cases, Disney has something in writing - (i.e. stating that shorts should not be worn to the MDRs or that the Quiet Cove pool is reserved for guests 18 and over). In BOTH cases, the rules are not enforced as it's impractical to do so in order to keep most guests happy. In BOTH cases, I believe that because the rule is unenforced, that is not really a rule.

If I understand your logic, one rule must be enforced and the other rule should not be enforced based solely on one's personal opinion. It seems that you're applying your own set of values on each rule and yoru values may differ from others, but instead of giving others the benefit of the doubt, you attack.

Again, I am only referring to kids walking through the Quiet Cove pool area and NOT lingering or staying in the area. That area is reserved for guests 18 and over and kids should move quickly though the area. If they linger, then a crew member should be notified and I completely agree with you.

 

[Disney Dad Canada]

If I understand your logic, one rule must be enforced and the other rule should not be enforced based solely on one's personal opinion. It seems that you're applying your own set of values on each rule and yoru values may differ from others, but instead of giving others the benefit of the doubt, you attack.

I'm in total agreement on rules being enforced. Sorry if I sounded like I was choosing one rule over another.

We were dressed according to the rules, but even within those rules there is an extremely wide range. What I complaining about was people that look down on those that weren't as dressy as they were, and made a point to look disgusted at "the unwashed masses".

I can't understand why someone who is not as dressed up as you are hurts your experience in any way. Smoking in a non-smoking area, or kids in a non kid area yes, but personally I'd rather sit beside well behaved less dressy kids than annoying well dressed ones.

 

[BlackFrank]

I'm in total agreement on rules being enforced. Sorry if I sounded like I was choosing one rule over another.

We were dressed according to the rules, but even within those rules there is an extremely wide range. What I complaining about was people that look down on those that weren't as dressy as they were, and made a point to look disgusted at "the unwashed masses".

I can't understand why someone who is not as dressed up as you are hurts your experience in any way. Smoking in a non-smoking area, or kids in a non kid area yes, but personally I'd rather sit beside well behaved less dressy kids than annoying well dressed ones.

So you're OK if I wear my "Gas, grass, or gas: no one rides for free!" t-shirt or my "Hookers and Blow" baseball cap to dinner?

 

[lillygator]

Yes, it's Disney, and they advertise adult-only areas to entice folks traveling without children (and perhaps those traveling with their own ) into taking a cruise. I plan to complain pronto about the presence of people under 18 in the advertised adult-only areas.

What's sad is people not following rules and their close relations, people who don't think other people should be able to ask that the rules be enforced.

What I am planning is to have a good time. That involves enjoying the adult-only areas that Disney advertises, and preparing to request, politely, that the rules be enforced.

do post upon your return....

So you're OK if I wear my "Gas, grass, or gas: no one rides for free!" t-shirt or my "Hookers and Blow" baseball cap to dinner?

I think 2 g's need to be replaced with c and a....

 

[Disney Dad Canada]

So you're OK if I wear my "Gas, grass, or gas: no one rides for free!" t-shirt or my "Hookers and Blow" baseball cap to dinner?

From the Disney cruise web site:

Dining Dress requirements vary by venue or theme night on your cruise. In general, most meals are "Cruise Casual"—no shorts, swimwear or tank tops.

From the Disney web site:

Examples of unacceptable attire includes:

Clothing displaying offensive messages/language
Adult costumes or clothing that can be viewed as a costume (children under age 10 are excluded)
Clothing made with offensive material, (ie transparent)
Clothing that is excessively torn
Clothing which exposes inappropriate portions of the body such as string bikini tops, G-strings, bikini bottoms, etc.

The rules are pretty clear to me. If you care to purposely disregard the rules, I have the right to complain.

 

[3smithboys]

I think the difference that some people might be missing between wearing shorts to dinner and having a constant stream of traffic through the adult area is that when someone wears shorts to dinner it really does not effect anyone else but the person dining. I know some people say that it changes the atmosphere, etc... Well, I found having a constant stream of people coming and going through the Quiet Cove a lot more annoying than anyone wearing shorts to dinner!!!

The best was the families who stopped right at the foot of our lounge chairs or the bottom of the stairs to have a nice, long chat with their kids to have a plan of attack for the day or to see where they should meet up later.... They really did not seem to care that they were in the adult area - it was just a place to walk through to get to where they were going.

 

[n2wdw]

Yes, it's Disney, and they advertise adult-only areas to entice folks traveling without children (and perhaps those traveling with their own ) into taking a cruise. I plan to complain pronto about the presence of people under 18 in the advertised adult-only areas.

I respect what you're saying, and I agree for kids who hang out at the adult pool (I guarantee you, my kids have NO desire to hang around adults) ... but you'd be bothered if kids walked through because it was the most convenient way of getting around the ship (because of bad ship design)? Just asking ...

 

[n2wdw]

She won't be allowed to dine in Palo as it is an adult area or the night clubs in the evening. DCL defines adult by the age so this also applies to theother adult only areas on the ship.

I guess your experience and expectation with Disney are different from mine. I'd be shocked if Disney turned away a married pregnant woman from dining at Palos, even if she was only 17.

 

[n2wdw]

I'm with you. I literally start shaking with anger when I read some of the comments in this thread. I find it sad that some people feel that they're entitled to break the rules just to avoid a minor inconvenience (and even sadder still, that these "parent" teach their children that it's ok). If you can't respect the rules and/or your fellow passengers, then maybe you shouldn't be cruising with big people. 90% of these ships are devoted to children and children's activities. There's absolutely no reason to encroach on the relatively small areas that are reserved exclusively for adults. I'm a 37 year old man--would you mind if I hung out in the teen-only areas? After all, rules are made to be broken, right, so I don't see what the big deal is!

What about people who get a high boarding number, and then talk a CM to "break the rules" and give them a lower boarding number?

 

[Bill Seattle]

Examples of unacceptable attire includes:
Clothing which exposes inappropriate portions of the body such as string bikini tops, G-strings, bikini bottoms, etc.

I guess I better rethink my dining room attire.

 

[lbgraves]

I guess your experience and expectation with Disney are different from mine. I'd be shocked if Disney turned away a married pregnant woman from dining at Palos, even if she was only 17.

Neither of those experiences makes a person an adult IMO.

 

[dahuffy]

What part of "18 and older only" do you find confusing?

 

[dahuffy]

Neither of those experiences makes a person an adult IMO.

Thank you

 

[turtlesmom822]

Neither of those experiences makes a person an adult IMO.

So the drunk 37 year old man screaming obscenities to/around others is WAY more "adult" than the quiet book-reading 17 year old.

I see your point but most seem to be talking numbers now.

18 and over regardless of "adult" behaviour/experiences right?

I think it's the principle of the thing. I don't want screaming 10 year olds NOR do I want screaming drunken "over 18" year olds ruining my peace and quiet at the ADULT pool.

So I too may be politely reporting any behaviour that breaks ANY rules, doesn't matter if you are 15 or 51.

After all..... "Dem's da RULES"

 

[FlynnRider]

So you're OK if I wear my "Gas, grass, or gas: no one rides for free!" t-shirt or my "Hookers and Blow" baseball cap to dinner?

Classy

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I think the difference that some people might be missing between wearing shorts to dinner and having a constant stream of traffic through the adult area is that when someone wears shorts to dinner it really does not effect anyone else but the person dining. I know some people say that it changes the atmosphere, etc... Well, I found having a constant stream of people coming and going through the Quiet Cove a lot more annoying than anyone wearing shorts to dinner!!!

The best was the families who stopped right at the foot of our lounge chairs or the bottom of the stairs to have a nice, long chat with their kids to have a plan of attack for the day or to see where they should meet up later.... They really did not seem to care that they were in the adult area - it was just a place to walk through to get to where they were going.

The key word is "I". That's my whole point. Everyone has a different set of values and perspective. What's a big deal to one person is not that big a deal to someone else.

Who gets to make the decision as to what rules are applied and which ones aren't? Disney...not us.

Also, I used two sets comparisons, but only the shorts in the dining room argument is repeated. I also compared it to saving seats. That's annoying to many people, yet DCL rarely enforced this "rule".

 

[BlackFrank]

Classy

That was my point. I shouldn't get to arbitrarily decide if what I choose to wear is suitable or not; the established rules clearly state that it is not. The same goes for shorts, tank tops, etc. I'm not sure why some people feel that rules are for other people, but not for them.

 

[lbgraves]

I completely agree that someone over 18 can act stupid and immature. If they do that in an adult area such as the pool or Palo another adult can complain and the CMs can ask the offending adult to leave. I have seen it happen.

DCL goes by the numbers. They have not permitted high-level teenage athletes to train in the fitness center if they are not 18. They have denied Palo reservations to those celebrating their 18th birthday on the cruise until the actual day of their birthday. They are sticklers for age limits for excursions even though the vendors themselves permit younger kids to participate if they are booked outside of DCL. It practically takes an act of Congress to get a kid who won't be old enough for an excursion until after the cruise begins to get a reservation for it. If word were to get out that DCL allowed a 17 yo to dine in Palo that fact would probably quickly be reported here and the calls to DCL of people wanting their 17 yo to do the same and CMs being pressured to allow their child into Palo would begin. Same for the spa.