Adoption?

Kim in TN

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DH and I have been considering adoption for many years, his DM was adopted, Been married 8 years no kids of our own except 2 DN's we have raised, no infertility probs that are known. Considering international adoption, what are your experiences, what agencies have worked for you? Tell me what to expect if we follow through. :D

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please everyone. tell me!
 
We didn't adopt, but DH's sister did! She adopted a beautiful boy from Korea and went through the Holt agency. They got him home at 7 months. He will be 4 in July and he is such a bright and funny kid! :)

A friend of mine adopted a girl from the states. The birthmom picked them. They got her at birth.

There are MANY sites on-line about adopting. I still read the i.village one about Korean adoption because I find it all so facinating! I started reading it when SIL was starting the process to see what it was all about. The boards get addictive as you wait for everyone to have their "gotcha!" day. :)

The woman who sometimes cuts my hair adopted two children (b & g) from Korea.....beautiful children!

A good friend adopted her daughter from Korea and also went through the Holt agency. (She & my DD3 are good friends)

From what I know about Korea, the children stay in foster homes and are treated as part of the family. A much better way than having them isolated in an orphanage.

The last few times we have gone to Disney we have met families who adopted daughters from China. They like to take them to the China pavillion so they can see a bit of their culture. (cheaper than flying to the real China!)

I see A LOT of Asian children in this area as adoption has become more "popular" (not sure if that's the right word)

I don't know anyone personally who had a bad experience. I just know that with some it takes a while to go through all the paperwork, home studies, evaluation, etc. But having a baby takes 9 months! :)

Good luck to you with whatever you choose. It is a wonderful way to add to your family - or to start it. (We had considered adopting a girl from China when I was having secondary infertility problems but I ended up getting pregnant before the talks got too far...)

Jill
 
DH and I want to start the adoption process this year. There's so much info out there, it's overwhelming me. But I really want to at least start the process.

You want to be "adoption" buddies and share info and experiences as we go along?

One site I found that was pretty interesting was www.adoptionservices.org.
 
Thanks for the info keep it coming,
I've found tons on the net, interested in personal experiences.

Annie&Hallie's Mom- sure lets keep in touch, we haven't decided for sure, but I'm very interested.
 

We have adopted all three of our children from Korea. We also used Holt twice.
http://www.holtintl.org/flash/

We also used Children's Home Society of Minnesota, which we found through this site: http://www.precious.org however, they don't seem to be updating recently so you might try http://www.rainbowkids.com instead.

Sometimes I think I would like to adopt another child, but finances and patience are running a little short!;)

Please feel free to pm me if I can be of any help, and best wishes to you!

Denise
 
KIM, we adopted our son at birth 5 years ago in Michigan:D; he's the true sunshine of our lives:jester: :jester: :jester: . We looked at international adoptions as well but chose the domestic route. Each state has its own rules and regulations. In Massachusetts, one MUST have a home study via a certified adoption agency; in other states, this can be done privately. The cost for us was approx. $25,000. Best of Luck; you WON'T be disappointed:jester: :jester: ...........
 
We just brought home our beautiful daughter on October 28th. She is 3 months and 1 week today.
We adopted locally through Catholic Charities. From the beginning (meaning application), it took us 4 years to receive our precious gift. We could have brought her home when she was 2 weeks old, but we had back-to-back Disney cruises booked for a year. We found out about her 1 week before we were to leave. They actually said we could take her with us, but you have to be 12 weeks to cruise. We saw Kaleigh for the first time when she was 9 days old.
 
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I also have been blessed with a beautiful daughter through adoption. We began thinking we would go international but ended up working through our church and Catholic Services in StL. We had a wonderful experience and still have contact with our birthmom, something I wanted. Our process was about 2 1/2 years, from the first meeting till we took home our baby at 3 weeks old. Best wishes to you, it can be a rollercoaster ride but stay with it, nothing is as special as when you meet that baby the first time.:)
 
All three of my children are adopted. We chose to adopt within the United States. As Eros stated, each state has it's own laws for adoption, so you must do your homework about the laws. Fortunately, Arizona has very good laws and we had a very easy time with the processes. Each time, we had to be certified by the state which included home studies, finger prints, etc. We worked through an adoption agency which worked well with our needs.

Our first adoption was 12 years ago. At that time, the process was semi-closed with communication with the birth family via the adoption agency. We decided with all the painful experiences we had with infertility and miscarriages to wait until the relinquishment papers were all signed before we knew about our son. We got a phone call when he was 10 days old and picked him up at 12 days old. We named him Matthew which meant "Gift from God".

Our second was four years later. Times changed during that time period and this time we met our daughter's birthmom before she had her. It was stressful to say the least, but got a long well. We got to go to the hospital after she was borm and take her home with us from the hospital. We named her Megan. We kept in touch with her birthmom and met with her family at least once a year.

We felt so blessed to have two beautiful children. After Megan was potty trained, we decided to get rid of all our baby stuff. Well, one month to the day of saying good bye to all our baby things, we get a phone call from the adoption agency. Megan's birthmom got pregnant again and had the baby prematurely (she did not contact the agency before hand) and Megan's birthmom and the agency wanted to give us the option to keep the sisters together. Of course, we decided that was the best thing to do, so now we brought Mandy home when she was 9 days old.

Our agency's costs were around $10,000/child. The agency waved the costs for Mandy since it was an unusual situation and we were not prepared for this. What a truly special gift she has been to us. Oh, also, in the years, we opened up Matt's adoption and had a wonderful meeting with his birthmom when he was 9 years old.

Sorry this was long, but had to share........:D
 
Thanks everyone for the great advice,
keep it coming
 
Both Vince and Natalie were adopted, through Catholic Charities. A wonderful organization, a great experience. My very best to you both. :sunny:
 
whats your feelings,
DH is concerned that everyone will say we should try to have one of our own before we try to adopt, me...I don't care, because I would rather adopt. What do you guys think, any first hand experience,
 
Hi,,, So far you have gotten wonderful responses. I would like to let you know of another option that may be open to you.
Fos-dopt!
Many states have foster-adoption programs. Children available in these programs range from infants to teens. The programs come with LOTS of assistance, classes and support for the adoptive families. These kids come from a wide variety of circumstances... but please note that parental rights of the birth parent may or may not be terminated when the child is placed in your home. Usually termination is in the last stages prior to adoption. (you would have nothing to do with this legally or personally) Yes, these are kids that are in NEED of homes and families. Most of all they are in need of mothers and/or fathers that can love them. Lots of these kids have been thru some horrid stuff.. and will have some medical or emotional needs that will need to be met.(There is financial assistance for this)These kids are of all racial backgrounds, medical histories, and ages.
When you apply, you are questioned as to which "things" you can accept in a child. It is OK to say NO to things like AIDS, mental problems, race differences, and even to things like bed wetting and picking their noses. It just helps to make sure that the family and child are suited for one another. There are kids in this program who have no medical or mental problems.. I don't want to scare you away..
We chose this program. We have had an very successful adoption experience. Sis came to our home at 21 months, termination of parental rights followed the next month, finalization of adoption was the next year. The cost= $0 The benefit=PRICELESS!!!!

I suggest that you and your dh have as many long discussions as you need to so that you can come to a solid solution.
You need to know exactly what motivates you to want to adopt.
What can you offer a child? What will an adopted child mean to you and your dh? Be honest with yourselves. It is an important decision that will not only affect you.. but also the child you bring into your family.
If you are worried what others are going to think.. that is something you need to work out BEFORE you even apply for adoption.
Sorry if I sound too.. gruff, I really don't mean to be... I just want you to have a positive and successful adoption experience.
Best wishes,
Joan
 
We have four children, and we adopted two of them. (The middle two). Both of our adoptions were in-state. One is a totally open adoption (in fact her birthparents and birth relatives just came for a visit before Christmas and we all went to church together. It was awesome!!!!), and the other is totally closed. One was through an agency, one was through a private attorney. With the agency adoption, it was 14 months from the time we started the process to the day we brought her home (she was 1 day old). With the private adoption, it was not quite 7 months from the time we started the process to the time we first held her and brought her home (I first held her when she was 3 hours old).

Having kids both by birth and adoption, I can tell you it is no different at all. If the whole childbirth and pregnancy thing isn't really important to you, I don't see any reason you should feel compelled to try to have one naturally first. No matter how your child comes, you'll soon learn that she or he is absolutely "your own." Hard to explain, but it takes about 30 seconds for that magic to set in, and from there. . . awwwwww. . . . . it's just so darn sweet!!!

Feel free to pm me if you'd like further info.
 
We went the international route, through Russia. World Links, http://www.wl-adoption.com , an adoption agency in Scranton, PA, runs a summer program and a holiday program so you can actually meet the kids prior to deciding whether to adopt or not. We hosted Ivan and Kristina during the summer of 2001. Within 3 minutes of having them in our home, we knew that they had to be ours forever. One family was living in NYC and found out quickly that the boy that they were hosting was a "country boy" and wasn't taking too well to city life. They let him go to another family who has had a wonderful experience with him and he now lives on about 20 acres with horses and dogs, etc. It's nice to get to "test drive" the kids and to let them "test drive" you, too. Our kids were originally with a family in central PA and hated it. They told the agency that they wanted to find a different family. When they found us, they didn't want to have to return to Russia until the process was completed. In the airport at JFK, Ivan was trying to sell his ticket to another man so he could stay home with us.

The process took 7 months for us. We started it in March, hosted the children in July/August, and had our court hearing on 10/22/01. We had to travel to Russia. Those who get their 10-day waiting period waived are back in the US in a week. We, of course, didn't get ours waived, so we stayed there for 3-weeks. It was interesting, to say the least, and a very good way for us to fully understand from where our children came.

I have never longed for the opportunity to carry and deliver a child. I have always said to my DH that I thought that the "right" way to have a child was to go to an agency, sign some papers and take it home with you.;) That's not how all women feel, but that's how it is for me. Our kids were 5 and 6 when they came to live with us. I loved that they were past the diaper stage and that they could communicate with me when they had a problem. I studied Russian for the 7-months we waited for them. I think that it helped in our transition, but I know that I am the exception to the rule and most people only learn to say "da" and "nyet." It took the kids 3 months to speak fluent English and now, when I ask them a question in Russian they have no idea what I'm asking. We put them right into regular classes in a parochial school since I didn't want to send them to ESL classes in the school district they'd have to be shipped to. Our own district didn't offer ESL (English as a Second Language) when we completed our adoption.

I have never regretted that we got the two kids at once. It was hard at first. We were jet-lagged and needed to find a routine even though everyone was coming over to see the kids all the time. I knew I wanted a boy and a girl. I knew that I wanted to stop at 2 kids. Our kids are full-blood brother and sister, which we think is an added benefit, although not necessary. We know so many people whom we met who are going back for another child since they only adopted one from the start. One couple even found out that their DD has a brother that is eligible for adoption. They are awaiting word on their court date to adopt him, too.

Our adoptions cost about $27K. Remember, that you get an adoption tax credit, too. That's a credit, not a deduction and is now at $10K per child, adjusted for income.

If you want more information about World Links, or Russian adoption, PM me. My DH now sits on the advisory board of this agency. We are very pro-adoption and very pro-World Links.
 
I realize that adoption is NOT cheap. From my understanding it is around $15,000 - $40,000 depending on all sorts of things. My dumb question is how did you afford it? Do you pay over time (finance a child like a car? :o :eek: ). I can't see many people with that kind of cash just ready to be spent.

I hope this isn't too touchy a topic to ask about, but we really want to adopt within the next year or so, but while we have some money, we certainly don't have $15,000 or more laying around.
 
Good for you for considering adoption!! My husband and I didn't have any problems with fertility either but we knew that there were so many children out there that need a home. We adopted siblings from Russia about two years ago. We orginally started with domestic adoption but had a bad experience then decided to go the international route after researching it more. It is an individual decision but usually the first decision you need to make. In our experience we only waited three months from the time we signed our international contract. Our wait time was extremely short compared to others due to the ability to carry some of the paperwork from domestic to international plus we wanted siblings which shortened our wait. We had an extremely good experience and would do it all again in a heartbeat. The best advise it to narrow down which route, international or domestic, etc then "buddy-up" with at least one couple that can help you along with the process. Just know that there are definite pros and cons to each avenue you persue and it boils down to what you are most comfortable with. I wish you the best of luck. If you have any particular questions please let me know. (I can talk about it all day!:) )

PS...About financial assistance...almost if not all states have an adoption reimbursement which is individually state run. Usually it runs $2k-$4k per child. Also, check with your employer. Many are now offering assistance as part of there benefit packages. Next, sign up for a frequent flyer program (mainly for those persuing int'l adoption). There is a program through MBNA (?) that offers adoption loans but I don't know much about it. Hope this helps--if I can think of anything more I'll let ya' know. Lastly, our adoption cost $27000k for both children and included almost everything!
 
When we adopted our first son (now 8), the fees were several thousand dollars lower than they are now and we had scrimped and saved over several years. I honestly can't remember how we paid for the second adoption (it's all a blur!), but we used the adoption tax credit and a pension loan to come up with the funds for the third adoption.
I know there are low-interest adoption loans out there if you look for them. I know some folks get a home equity loan. Hope this helps.
 
Originally posted by Annie&Hallie'sMom
I realize that adoption is NOT cheap. From my understanding it is around $15,000 - $40,000 depending on all sorts of things. My dumb question is how did you afford it? Do you pay over time (finance a child like a car? :o :eek: ). I can't see many people with that kind of cash just ready to be spent.

I hope this isn't too touchy a topic to ask about, but we really want to adopt within the next year or so, but while we have some money, we certainly don't have $15,000 or more laying around.

Each time we adopted for less than $15,000. I don't remember the exact figures (you do your best not to remember those kind of numbers!!!). The agency we used was fantastic, and its fees were based on a sliding fee scale. The agency handled all the needs of the birthparents, and the adoptive parents payed according to their income on a sliding fee scale. The idea was that adoption shouldn't just be limited to those with lots of money. Theoretically, our private adoption would have been much cheaper, but we had a failure so that kind of doubled the cost. Otherwise, Ithink our total expenses would have been about $6000. You have to remember you get that back pretty quickly--- the adoption tax credit is now $10,000. Not a deduction, a credit. This means you get every penny of that $10,000 back. So, if your adoption expenses are $11,000 your total "out of pocket" is about $1000.

While you don't pay over time (though you could get a loan to cover your expenses), the expenses don't all come due at once. There is the homestudy, then a period of time before other things happen. Attorneys fees come after placement and close to finalization. Even in a "quick" adoption probably the expenses would spread out over a year. WE handled it by using credit cards A LOT for our other expenses, and shifting around from one 0% interest card to another.
 
We've seen alot of different things happen for people to finance their adoptions. Some people DO have that kind of cash laying around, so it's a no brainer for them. The rest of us have to be a little creative. We went the home equity route. There have been two instances where we've been directly involved in trying to raise money through donations for people who wanted to adopt, but couldn't afford it any other way. One single mother adopted two teenage girls. If she didn't get the older one by December, she was going to turn 16 and be let out of the orphanage with the clothes on her back and 150 roubles. (about $5.) She adopted her in time thanks to the kindness of the agency, waiving its fee and the donations that she raised for the fees to the embassy and others in Russia. The second case was for people who adopted their first son in December 2001. They were able to borrow from their parents since they had already mortgaged themselves to the max for the infertility treatments she tried. When the second boy came around, the agency asked if they wanted to try for him, too. He was issued a medical visa because he had severe skin/food allergies. Once he was taken off of the things that caused the rashes, his skin has cleared up and he has put on weight and grown several inches in under 6-months. They've already exhausted their own loanable funds and their parents didn't have more money to give them. They have gone to the community for help and as of the beginning of December had about $4,500 raised. The agency is also helping them by waiving its fee. Alex will not have to travel back to Russia for his hearing and if I understand correctly, only one parent has to travel this time for the hearing.

Others finance their adoption through grants. There are alot of them out there if you do your homework. Some of them will give you $500, others more. I looked into the low-cost loans and honestly couldn't find any that were more appealing than the rate we got on the H/E. As a banker, I thought those "low interest" loans were priced pretty high. IMHO

If you look at it from a dollars and sense position, say it costs $25,000 - $30,000 to adopt one or two kids. You take a loan for that amount. When you get your taxes back, you automatically have at least a $10,000 refund $20,000 if you adopt two kids. Couple that with the money you get back for the deductions for the kids, and that amount gets bigger. Now, you're down to a $15,000 loan or less. The amount of happiness that the kids give you is priceless.

My point is that where there's a will, there's a way. You just have to get creative sometimes and sometimes rely on the kindness of others.
 





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