Adoption questions?

You were probably looking at the "waiting children" area on the Holt board. Those children do have special needs. They also place healthy children. Our youngest is from Korea. He will be 3 in July. Korea has certain agencies that work with certain states. I could not have used Holt because we are in North Carolina and they don't place in NC for Korea. I used to go on their posting boards a lot though. I know you said you don't want to purposely adopt a child with special needs, but with anything there is no guarantee. My oldest who is our biological child has Down syndrome. And some things do not show up until later (like autism). With our adoption we had a checklist of what special needs we would be willing or maybe willing or not willing at all to consider.

If I were you I would get information from different agencies for the different country adoption programs and go from there. Like others have said, Germany and other European countries have no need to have their children adopted internationally because they are adopted domestically in that country.

Good luck with your decision!

Sandra
 
I'm going to put this as plainly as I can. There is essentially zero chance of you adopting a German child. Germany is a pretty well-to-do country and couples there face the same infertility issues and adoption problems as we do in the US. In other words, any German babies that are available for adoption will be snatched up by German families. Simple as that. Supply and demand. In 2004, German Chancellor Schroeder and his wife adopted a 3 y.o. girl from Russia. Not from Germany......from Russia.

We adopted from Russia in 2000. The process is somewhat longer and more difficult that it was then. We adopted during a strange period (called a "slowdown") when Russia's adoption laws and procedures were changing and therefore, most adoptions were actually put on hold until things straightened out. We managed to find our own Russian contact and adopt without using an agency, and adopted during that period when few adoptions were being processed. Sadly, independent adoptions like ours are virtually impossible to accomplish in Russia now. I wish that was not the case because I loved the lack of a middleman.....We just handled everything directly and it saved us time, heartache and thousands of dollars. Plus, we adopted the world's healthiest, happiest baby. :love:

My advice is to not be set on one country, but rather to get brochures from many agencies about various programs in different countries. Read them and understand what is available. As I have told people many times, my "pro" may be your "con." Make a pro and con list and don't worry about how it sounds or whether it's politically correct. You must be honest with yourselves.

Must you have an infant? Then don't go with a country that only places children 18 months and older.

Do you want to be able to select the gender? Some countries/agencies do not allow that.

Does one agency say you are old enough to adopt from Country A, but another agency says you do not qualify due to your age? Then cross off the one that will not accept you.

Is it important for the child to "look like you"? If so, obviously, some countries are off the table.

Can you stand a wait of 18 months to 3 years....or more? Or do you feel you must have 18 months or less? That will eliminate a lot of countries/agencies.

Are you willing to travel? A relative of mine would not, so Korea was their choice as that country will allow the baby to be escorted to the US.

Must the child be identified and "okayed" by you, or will you accept whatever baby is assigned?

As you read over the packets, you will begin to make notes.....Things like....Must be over 30 to adopt from here. Cost is $30,000. Cannot choose gender. Travel required. Average wait is 18 months to 2 years and age of child averages no younger than 12 months, usually older.

Another packet from a different country (or even a different agency) might get these notes: Can be any age over 25, must be married at least 2 years with each parent having no more than one divorce each. Cost is $35,000. Can choose gender. Can either travel or baby can be escorted home. Average wait is less than 12 months. Average age is 12 months, but it is common to get a baby 6-12 months.

Long story short, some countries will weed YOU out. You will decide others are not a good fit for you. Once you find a country or two that you lean toward, then you must select an agency. That will take a lot of research and is very important. I'll be frank. Not all are created equal. Most say they are in it "for the kids," and many are. But I am sorry to say some are in it for the cash. Do not rely on them to tell you the whole truth. Research the law in whatever country you choose to adopt from. We were using an agency at first, but after catching them in one too many lies, we parted ways. The good news is, we met our DD less than a month later. Had I not been familiar with Russian adoption law, I would have had no idea they were BSing me. Others trusted them blindly.....Some with unhappy endings.

I am a huge fan of international adoption, but too many people go into it with an open checkbook and a trusting heart, when what they also needed was to keep in mind that IT IS A BUSINESS. And one that makes a fortune, at that. Read, learn, educate yourself. Just because an agency says the law is XYZ does not mean it is so. For example, a friend of mine was told that she was too old to adopt an infant from Russia. In reality, that one agency didn't like people her age adopting infants from Russia, but many other agencies were fine with it. It was not the Russian law (as they said) but their preference. She then decided to use a different agency.

The US State Dept. website gives summaries of the different adoption laws for various countries. It was invaluable to me. Find a good message board to keep abreast of current events. You don't want to sign up for a country, only to find out that it's due for a shutdown in a month. When we adopted under the new rules, I was able to come home and update my message board (thousands of members) about the new procedures. Some decided they were not willing to do what the new rules required while others thought it was just fine. But they needed to hear from someone who had actually BEEN THROUGH IT. The second I returned from my first trip, I posted an account. We were (no joke) one of the first 1-5 couples to visit Russia and adopt under the "no advance referral" system.....Or as I called, adopting blind. Before that, you got a video(s) and a medical report, plus other info. We went over with nothing. Walked in with our paperwork, got a referral and went to meet her. No medical report to run by a doctor while we were still in the US and still had time to decline the referral. No photo or name, even.

That scared the crap out of people. I was able to say, "Here is exactly what happened." A chatroom/message board can be invaluable. Also, they can alert you as to the less honest agencies. But don't post, "Is Agency ABC honest or not? Please share!" Because no one will tell their negative story, lest the agency mess up their adoption. No, allow people to answer you PRIVATELY and you'll get more honest answers. My opinion is, the true test of an agency is how they handle the adoptions that have snags. Anyone can handle an adoption that goes smoothly. But if there are trouble spots......and it happens......are they there to go to bat for you and make sure you get a baby? Or do they shrug and say, "Sorry, we tried," while they happily sit on your money?

Russia was a natural for us. I'd been fascinated by the country for decades and the chance to visit there was too good to be true. At the time, I knew we could get a baby less than a year old in 6-9 months. And we got one in 8 months, from start to finish. (That includes leaving the agency and finding my own miracle Russian contact.) We could afford the cost. We had a preference for a baby that would physically blend with our family. My relative adopted a baby from Korea (whom we adore) but over the years, the mom had to put up with her fair share of ignorant comments and rude remarks. I don't have the temperment for that and knew I could not stay calm as she had. No, I'd have gone off on people. In fact, over the years, I'd gotten more irate over some of the stuff than she had. We figured a child who was not obviously adopted would garner less of those comments, and thus have less of an in-your-face mommy. :lmao:

These were all factors in our decision. Your "list" of what is important, not important, a deal-breaker, etc. won't be the same as mine. And that is okay. Luckily, there are many countries and programs to choose from and something out there for everyone. Good luck.
 
I wanted to add that if you are really interested in adopting two at once (bio sibs or not) you need to be VERY careful what agency you select. Some charge only a small fee to adopt a second child at the same time as the first. Others charge almost DOUBLE the price. Assume nothing.
 
I have been reading your other posts about trying to have a baby. We adopted special needs twice. Both have repaired cleft lips and palates. My oldest is 21 and adopted from S. Korea. My youngest is 19 and adopted from the Phillipines. Both are shown in my signature. They are the perfect kids for me. I am so blessed. :goodvibes

I know that I wanted to be pregnant and have a newborn but I wanted to be a mom more. If that makes sense.

Good luck on your adoption journey. Keep us posted!
 

I'm always curious why more people do not adopt from foster care?

It's a myth that there are not young children available. When we adopted DS, we put our homestudy in for at least 8 children (in Oregon alone!) who were under the age of 24 months. The youngest one was only 6 months old. All of the children were either free for adoption (parental rights had been terminted already) or were close to being that way (99% chance rights would be terminated soon...they don't look for adoptive homes unless they are SURE). Foster care adoptions are 100% free. The state even pays for YOUR attorney! Our son came to us when he was 21 months old.

Another myth is that you need to do foster to adopt. We went straight to adoption and never had any foster children in our home.

Many people adopt who adopt from other countries are also placed with children who are 9 months-2 or 3 years old....and are charged up to $30,000 for those adoptions.

Just something to think about :)
 
I'm always curious why more people do not adopt from foster care?

It's a myth that there are not young children available. When we adopted DS, we put our homestudy in for at least 8 children (in Oregon alone!) who were under the age of 24 months. The youngest one was only 6 months old. All of the children were either free for adoption (parental rights had been terminted already) or were close to being that way (99% chance rights would be terminated soon...they don't look for adoptive homes unless they are SURE). Foster care adoptions are 100% free. The state even pays for YOUR attorney! Our son came to us when he was 21 months old.

Another myth is that you need to do foster to adopt. We went straight to adoption and never had any foster children in our home.

Many people adopt who adopt from other countries are also placed with children who are 9 months-2 or 3 years old....and are charged up to $30,000 for those adoptions.

Just something to think about :)


This is not the case in every state. What happened in your situation happens only once in a blue moon in Texas. I've worked as an attorney representing children removed from the home due to abuse and/or neglect and have seen the inside of the foster care system in my state. I wanted no part of it. So long as a birth parent makes the most pitiful, token effort at compliance and rehabilitating themselves as a parent, the state will give them chance after chance here. A child can enter the foster care system as an infant, certainly. But by the time the court FINALLY wises up and admits the birth parents have no intention and/or ability to parent decently, the odds are that child will have hit double digits and be "unadoptable." Had the court used a grain of common sense, the child would have been freed for adoption at age 1-2 and would have found a home with loving, attentive, devoted parents. But noooooooo......

I'll be honest. I wanted a baby, or a toddler at most. I'd never had a child and I wanted a YOUNG child. I did not want to adopt a teenager who had been in foster care since they were a year old and had been in a dozen or more foster homes. And in Texas, odds are, that's what you'll find. The system is not geared toward the best interest of the child here. They may say it is, but it isn't. Competition is fierce for the precious few young children that rarely come available via foster care in this state. That is our reality.

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago featuring two siblings who had been in foster care since one was an infant and the other was a toddler. No kidding....they had both been under age 2 when they entered foster care. Their birth mother NEVER got her act together and those kids were shuffled from one foster home to another until one hit 18 and the other was 16, about to turn 17. That is when they did the story in the paper. Wonder of wonders, the state wanted to find an adoptive home for the nearly 17 y.o. :rolleyes1 Gee, a little late, I'd say. They had pics of the boys from the time they'd entered foster care a a baby/toddler duo. All I could think was, "Someone would have happily adopted those two little boys back when they were 1-2 or 2-3 or even 3-4. Why didn't the state get off its rear and terminate the parental rights back then, when it could have done those kids some good?" But that's how things usually roll in Texas, sorry to say.

Count your blessings it's different in your state.
 
We also did domestic adoption. We applied in May, approved in July, got our daughter in October. In February, we got a call saying she has a baby brother...will you take him also. So, we did and he arrived about a week after the call.

2 kids, adopted from the local Children and Youth, total time frame 1.5 years and get this....$75.00. All expenses were covered by Swan (state wide adoption network).

One of the greatest experiences of my life.

Kim
 
I would be interested in foster care, if my state didn't have a bad rep for placing children who were available for adoption, then, after the process is nearly complete, taking them away. Honestly, I'm not sure I could make it through that.
 
Hi..I have no personal experience with adoption just wanted to say :hug:
 
I found the Report on Intercountry Adoption to be invaluable. http://www.iccadopt.org/ It will help you answer many, many questions about programs, agencies, requirements and costs.

I agree with a pp that your chances of adopting from Germany are almost zero. The number of immigrant visas for children adopted from Germany have fluctuated from a low of one to a high of three per year in the last five years, and it is almost certain that most of those children were being adopted by US relatives.

Good luck with this.

We have two children adopted from China and it's been a fabulous journey.
 
First :hug: to even considering such a life changing choice!

I've been involved in adoptions with two very different outcomes.....I'll be happy to share what I know. :goodvibes Please PM if you need specifics or more help - I just don't want to air other's personal lives here on the DIS (mine's another story! :rotfl: )

Friends of my DH's have been trying to adopt since I met him about six years ago. I cannot tell you the guilt I felt when I got pregnant (while I was on the pill mind you!) and we weren't married or even really committed at that point to getting married (I know it wasn't ideal but I wouldn't change anything since I have my amazing DS4). Of course, being good friends, they were very supportive to/of us which was wonderful. They've been through four different adoption processes domestically with none working out. Their most recent attempt, they'd found a mother about a month ago who was due mid-May. They were there for the baby's delivery and sometime in the few hours between being discharged from the hospital that evening and following afternoon, the mother changed her mind. :sad2: I cannot imagine the hurt they're feeling at this time. As I said, this is their fourth failed attempt through an agency.

On the other side of the coin, my best friend in the world had a foster daughter who found herself pregnant and wanted to put the child up for adoption. DH and I talked/prayed/thought about it long and hard and had decided if it was a girl we'd proceed 100% without a doubt. Well, I got the ultrasound pictures and we had a girl! Of course, DH started having doubts and wanted to ask his above-mentioned friends if they would like to adopt in place of us as well as another couple we knew that weren't able to have children. I agreed but said if the birth mother picked us he couldn't back out. I will NEVER forgot the night I took my friend out in my driveway after a party and ask if she was open to adoption. We passed on both sets of friends information for the birth mom to look over and that's when I put others before myself....DH and I backed out to let another family that could not have kids have the chance that we've had twice. In the end, we (I) helped our friends through the adoption with an attorney and couldn't have asked for a better outcome. How could you not ask for a more perfect gift than this:

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(those are my two DSs loving on their "kind of" little sister) It's one of the toughest choices I've ever made to "give up" a baby that was never mine to begin with but to see the love and a new family grow is priceless and to know I was a part of making it all happen is great too! Of course, my DS4 now thinks babies come from Grammy's basement because our friends stayed with DMIL while they were up adopting their baby.

Good luck with whatever you decide! Again, if you need any help or I can answer anything for you, please feel free to PM me. :goodvibes
 
I would be interested in foster care, if my state didn't have a bad rep for placing children who were available for adoption, then, after the process is nearly complete, taking them away. Honestly, I'm not sure I could make it through that.

You may want to look at other states. In Ohio, the birth parents have to wait 72 hours after the birth of a baby before they sign away their parental rights. Once that is done, though, they are no longer that baby's parents and they cannot "change their minds" and the baby generally goes right from the hospital to the home of the adoptive parents. (I worked at a private adoption agency very briefly.) In a nutshell, as long as you know what the laws are, you can protect yourself from the horror stories. You and your DH are in your 20s, so it is more likely that a birth mother would choose you as adoptive parents. Folks in their 40s and up seem more like their own parents' ages--these women are often teenagers or also in their 20s.

Other states near you may have better laws in place to protect you as adoptive parents. I wouldn't rule out international or domestic adoption without looking into the legal realities. There are horror stories no matter where you adopt from. You can protect yourself from them.

Good luck and I hope you get a baby soon, no matter if you give birth to him/her or someone else does the labor for you! :)
 


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