Adding on points via Resale

[irazabul]

Is there a thread that talks about how it works if we are currently Blue Card but decided to purchase additional points via resale? Mainly I am interested if it taints oir Blue status in any way, and if bookings using the mix of old and new points affects Blue status benefits. Thanks!

 

[Cabius]

As long as you own a contract w/ Blue Card perks, you will enjoy those perks, as I understand it.

e.g. you could get into the Epcot lounge whether you were staying on Blue Card-qualifying points, re-sale points, or not staying on Disney property at all.

 

[irazabul]

As long as you own a contract w/ Blue Card perks, you will enjoy those perks, as I understand it.

e.g. you could get into the Epcot lounge whether you were staying on Blue Card-qualifying points, re-sale points, or not staying on Disney property at all.

That is good to know, thanks. Another question - I read that in order to qualify as Blue Card, you need to have at least 125 "qualifying" points. If I have a 120 point contract that I purchased resale many years ago (which I assume is a qualifying contract whose points are applied towards Blue Card qualification), can I purchase 25 points direct, which would push me over the required points?

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

That is good to know, thanks. Another question - I read that in order to qualify as Blue Card, you need to have at least 125 "qualifying" points. If I have a 120 point contract that I purchased resale many years ago (which I assume is a qualifying contract whose points are applied towards Blue Card qualification), can I purchase 25 points direct, which would push me over the required points?

They have been grandfathering in owners as they've first made the requirements for direct purchase to have a qualified membership - ie, blue card - and then slowly increasing the point requirements. If you've had a resale contract for a long time most likely you already have a qualified membership and do not need any more direct points to achieve that. If you want to share when you purchased that resale we can tell you what the requirements were at that time or if you log into your DVC account and go to View My Membership Card under My DVC you'll see if you have a blue card or if it's a white card. If you have the blue card then you will keep it unless you were to sell the contract that makes you a qualified member.

 

[fgaini]

If for any reason you are not, I doubt they will allow you to buy 25 points to become blue. They will ask you to buy direct all the amount needed...

 

[Marionnette]

That is good to know, thanks. Another question - I read that in order to qualify as Blue Card, you need to have at least 125 "qualifying" points. If I have a 120 point contract that I purchased resale many years ago (which I assume is a qualifying contract whose points are applied towards Blue Card qualification), can I purchase 25 points direct, which would push me over the required points?

If you purchased that contract before April 4, 2016 then it is grandfathered in as a blue card membership. There was no minimum point requirement at the time. I have 4 contracts under different UYs that are all blue card memberships. They have 25, 30, 50 and 50 points each. As long as I retain one of those contracts, I keep my blue card. Once the contracts expire or I sell them, I lose the blue card.

 

[princesslover]

As long as you own a contract w/ Blue Card perks, you will enjoy those perks, as I understand it.

e.g. you could get into the Epcot lounge whether you were staying on Blue Card-qualifying points, re-sale points, or not staying on Disney property at all.

Is there any reason to believe in the future that Disney will change this? In other words, in order to get discounts/perks, etc, you need to be staying on qualifying points? I am probably just being paranoid, but just feeling a little worried about the future of resale given some of the restrictions they are putting in place.

 

[RoseGold]

Is there any reason to believe in the future that Disney will change this? In other words, in order to get discounts/perks, etc, you need to be staying on qualifying points? I am probably just being paranoid, but just feeling a little worried about the future of resale given some of the restrictions they are putting in place.

I mean, pre-Covid, the major Blue Card perks were the Gold AP and the Moonlight Magic, which are currently not for sale and canceled until further notice. For Moonlight Magic, you already had to be staying to qualify.

The Blue Card discounts can be changed or eliminated at any time. All of the documentation has been VERY clear about that.

 

[Marionnette]

Is there any reason to believe in the future that Disney will change this? In other words, in order to get discounts/perks, etc, you need to be staying on qualifying points? I am probably just being paranoid, but just feeling a little worried about the future of resale given some of the restrictions they are putting in place.

Perks can change at any time but DVC has typically grandfathered existing resale contracts when changes are made. “Qualifying points” right now are any direct points and those points which were purchased prior to 01/19/2019. The current definition is that those points can be used at any existing or future resort. Some resale points are not blue card eligible but the are still qualifying points due to the date that their contracts were purchased.

 

[princesslover]

The Blue Card discounts can be changed or eliminated at any time. All of the documentation has been VERY clear about that.

I understand that. Hence, my curiosity what others feel could happen.

 

[Marionnette]

I understand that. Hence, my curiosity what others feel could happen.

DVC will do whatever they feel will compel buyers to choose direct over resale. Probably the most drastic of those changes came when RIV entered the picture. Prior to that change, the restrictions on resale purchases did not have a serious impact on resale. This was the first move that changed how your points can be used within the DVC system. All other changes affected exchanging your points out to other Disney collections and cruises and whether ownership qualified the resale owner for Membership Extras.

 

[irazabul]

What changes require Member voting? I would imagine that if enough Members band together, whether resale (to protect resale buyer privileges) or direct (to protect the option of buying resale in the future without losing privileges), we can vote against DVC measures that continually degrade Membership privileges. I'm not saying to get something new, just to preserve the expectations when Membership was purchased.

It just needs a coordinated effort and some leadership. Should we start a revolution?

To be clear, I am speaking peacefully, via voting

 

[Brian Noble]

What changes require Member voting? I would imagine that if enough Members band together, whether resale (to protect resale buyer privileges) or direct (to protect the option of buying resale in the future without losing privileges), we can vote against DVC measures that continually degrade Membership privileges. I'm not saying to get something new, just to preserve the expectations when Membership was purchased.

It just needs a coordinated effort and some leadership. Should we start a revolution?

To be clear, I am speaking peacefully, via voting

First: that's not funny.

Second: there are very few things that require a vote of the Membership.

 

[irazabul]

First: that's not funny.

Second: there are very few things that require a vote of the Membership.

I was actually trying to be more serious than funny, despite the emoji. I know it's tense and unthinkable times - my first thought was that maybe we can take some action on this issue, then it was am I breaking a posting rule by suggesting something anti-DVC, then it went to whoops, let's make sure I am clear when I am suggesting doing something. Good grief, what have we become...

But back to topic, I suppose it would be crazy for DVC to leave any control to "owners". In another timeshare I own, we voted on major changes, but I am one of the ones who don't read everything in terms and conditions of ownership.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

What changes require Member voting? I would imagine that if enough Members band together, whether resale (to protect resale buyer privileges) or direct (to protect the option of buying resale in the future without losing privileges), we can vote against DVC measures that continually degrade Membership privileges. I'm not saying to get something new, just to preserve the expectations when Membership was purchased.

It just needs a coordinated effort and some leadership. Should we start a revolution?

To be clear, I am speaking peacefully, via voting

The only thing you would have a right to have a say over would be your own condo association. The perks etc come from DVC, not from each association.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Is there any reason to believe in the future that Disney will change this? In other words, in order to get discounts/perks, etc, you need to be staying on qualifying points? I am probably just being paranoid, but just feeling a little worried about the future of resale given some of the restrictions they are putting in place.

No, no reason to think they'd change it. The perks? Yes but not what you asked.

 

[irazabul]

IIRC, don't we vote on who is to be Association President (which has always been a Disney executive)? Even something like that could send a message to DVC that could result in Disney coming to the table on DVC related items.

The point is, if enough Members demand it, it would behoove Disney to address it if they feel it impacts their profits

 

[Sandisw]

What changes require Member voting? I would imagine that if enough Members band together, whether resale (to protect resale buyer privileges) or direct (to protect the option of buying resale in the future without losing privileges), we can vote against DVC measures that continually degrade Membership privileges. I'm not saying to get something new, just to preserve the expectations when Membership was purchased.

It just needs a coordinated effort and some leadership. Should we start a revolution?

To be clear, I am speaking peacefully, via voting

In terms of perks and restrictions, we have no say in that aspect as it is not part of our contract and can be eliminated at any time. Those are all things DVD decides.

Material changes to the contract require a vote. Non material ones do not.
Here is how I read it. Every unit gets one vote in on the board. In order for owners of that into to have input into how the board representative for that unit votes, at least 60% of the owners have to agree to override whatever what is happening for just that unit.

It is my understanding, barring any gross or illegal negligence on part of DVC, replacing them as management company is pretty difficult and even then, it’s an uphill battle.

We have actual rights to one thing..staying at our home resorts and trading to other DVC resorts as long as the home resort is part of BVTC.

 

[RoseGold]

But back to topic, I suppose it would be crazy for DVC to leave any control to "owners". In another timeshare I own, we voted on major changes, but I am one of the ones who don't read everything in terms and conditions of ownership.

Owners didn't even vote on the OKW extension, which I would consider as major of a change as has happened in DVC.

 

[CarolMN]

IIRC, don't we vote on who is to be Association President (which has always been a Disney executive)? Even something like that could send a message to DVC that could result in Disney coming to the table on DVC related items.

The point is, if enough Members demand it, it would behoove Disney to address it if they feel it impacts their profits

No, Members do not vote individually. They are represented by people appointed by Disney. IMO, what you are suggesting could result in the removal of DVCMC as the managing entity for a particular resort and there are some very serious consequences to that!

Please remember that the DISboards will not permit itself to be used as a means to organize group action.

Members should feel free to voice their opinions by contacting Member Satisfaction or Disney executives.