ACLU And Finger Scans

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Chuck S said:
There are so many more serious "privacy" issues today...for insttance, buy a new car in TX...your name, dealers name, salesmans name, VIN, date of purchase is all on your temporary plate. Order a copy of your birth certificate, the return envelope is sent through regular mail, not tracked or signature required. Companies using SS#s for PINs. All of them more serious, and more identifiable than those finger scans.


ON the temp plate, the one that goes ON the vehicle?? That's FAR worse than Disney 'requiring' finger-measurement scans! After all, nobody HAS to patronize Disney, while most people DO need to purchase a new vehicle at some point!
 
how soon before we have to start using verification of the eyes or spit into a cup for dna calculations... :rotfl2:

Next is give blood before you get in.... :rotfl2:
 
Just to let some of the "worry" people know...My ds used his Ap one Aug and it was activated then, scanning the usual way, when we went back the following Jan he had grown 5 inches. We had to re do his finger scan because I guess "ALL" of him had grown including fingers. So it can't be that accurate because I swear it was the same kid, same hand etc. If it had been "DNA," or "finger prints" it would not have had to be re done. :)
 

kaytieeldr said:
ON the temp plate, the one that goes ON the vehicle?? That's FAR worse than Disney 'requiring' finger-measurement scans! After all, nobody HAS to patronize Disney, while most people DO need to purchase a new vehicle at some point!

Yes, on the TEMP PLATE ON THE VEHICLE!!!. Can't you see the scans from that?

Ring, ring, "Hello?"

Hi, Mr. S, I'm with XYZ car dealership. Mr. G, your salesman, failed to get a new $15 securiy registration fee that is due under the Homeland Security Act. I show you purchased the car on 07/28/05 and the VIN is 1223456789. Rather than take the time to run a check down to us, I'd be happy to take your CC number over the phone.

How many folks would fall for that? Probably MOST since it really sounds quite plausible.
 
Oh yes the ACLU has plenty of other things to do... like suing the city of NY to stop the random bag checks on the subways....WHAT???????????????? Our world has changed. I am not opposed to a little finger scan or someone searching my bag / backpack while entering WDW or the subway. In my opinion the ONLY responsibility our gov't has is keeping my children safe. If that means I give up some of my privacy, so be it. I'm not carrying anything or saying anything or planning anything that could be harmful (well except my cigarets :blush: )

The ACLU does serve a useful purpose but they have twisted their mission into something I don't recognize.

So "don't go to Disney" does the same thing apply to the subway systems?

Please................... ridiculous
 
With all of the MANY ways our rights as Americans are being whittled away every day, the ACLU has MUCH bigger fish to fry than non-identifying information collected during theme park admissions...

N.E.D.
 
When I first got to the turnstyles I was very confused about fingerscans, Disneyland doesn't do this so it was new to me, and I was concerned at first too, but realized they aren't doing finger prints so I let it go.

In response to the ACLU, "when you give up a some freedoms for security you end up losing both" - Senator Fred Thompson (not the exact quote, but close)...yes the ACLU sometimes makes mountains out of molehills, but imagine where we might be if they let everything slide until it was actually a mountain before they looked into it. Remember they have your civil liberties in mind, thats not a bad thing.

:3dglasses
 
"when you give up a some freedoms for security you end up losing both" - Senator Fred Thompson (not the exact quote, but close).

That's a variant of the Ben Franklin saying. This is a loose quote.

Those who give up their liberties on the promise of temporary safety deserve neither liberty, nor safety.

I would add to that. Too many people are perfectly willing to give up their liberty and mine along with it under the guise that it's someone elses liberty being sacrificed.

The Disney scans don't fall into that category though. And heretofore, the ACLU rightly hasn't sued. Yet too many are too eager to get on them even when they haven't done anything yet.
 
I'm guessing that many people think they are being fingerprinted when they are only having their fingers measured, so they complain to the ACLU. The ACLU has a right to investigate these claims, and Disney certainly has a right to use the biometric scans.

Has the ACLU actually brought about a lawsuit based on the complaints? I've only skimmed (or is it scanned) this thread?
 
bicker said:
If you're concerned enough about personal privacy to make that decision, you should have gotten assurances that your personal privacy, as you see it, would be respected, before you purchased your vacation.
ITA. The word that popped into my mind here is "private". When we go to WDW we are entering a private property -- not a public place -- a private place of business. The owner has the right to restrict access or to make certain requirements to gain access because it is a private entity. I think we sometimes forget that.
 
Right, and as in any other place of business, the owner{s} has the right to ask you to leave if you are causing a disruption of that business.
 
Synonymous said:
Amen, sister!

It's too bad people in this country don't believe in civil rights anymore. Some day they'll be gone, and we'll wish we had an ACLU to keep the government honest.
I am quite shocked at how many of you have no idea what the ACLU is or was. It was founded in the 20's by Communists as a means to attack the government from within. It turned into a citizen serving entity after WWII. In the 60's it began to be used as a polictical tool again, being run by liberals attacking anything or anyone pro conservative, religous, or traditional. Today the national organization is run by ultra liberal left wing socialist zealots who once again are trying to remove any and all personal responsibility and religous freedoms in this country. There are many local chapters in the country that still do help the little guy, but as for the national organization:

They defend pedophiles, attack morality, attack the boyscouts, attack small towns that can't afford to go up against them concerning the ten commandments ect...It in fact has turned into what they claim to defend. They support the rights of the one rather than the rest. They in fact do what the terrorists are trying now, using our own courts and freedoms and form of government against all of us. For what? So one pedophile doesn't have to register on a list? So a private organization like the Boy Scouts have to let in an atheist or a homosexual because they don't like their' rules? Oh and because the Boy Scouts are a "religous" organization they can't meet at your local school or be sponsored or meet at a military base. So nambla members can practice their sickness on our children? So terrorists caught on the battlefield during a war, and on foreign soil can have the exact same rights we as citizens have? How exactly is that saving our liberties? Not allow a church to rent space at a school after hours? Ah but wait, they'll defend your religous rights if you are a Muslim. It's ok to blare the call to prayer on megaphones 5 times a day all over your town if you have a mosque nearby. But wait, if you are Christian, those steeple bells you've heard in this country for 232 years offended someone so you can't do that anymore. Stop bags from being randomly searched before boarding public transportation? It would seem to me they protect their own wacko ideology and not the downtroden anymore. You supporters of the ACLU in it's current form and leadership really need to look into them quite a bit more before you so happily advertise you are a card carrying memeber. I would be quite ashamed an embarrassed.
And by the way, the ACLU has nothing to do with "watching the government". I should think you learned in elementary school that it is the constitutionaly protected media who "watches", it is the separation of powers, ie... the 3 branches of government that have checks and balances. Alas you may not have learned that in public school because American history isn't really needed in todays world. But your children will learn how to place a condom over your willy, and oral sex really isn't sex, and why the military is so bad, and how this country was really founded by white slave owner terrorists. Oh and Lincoln was really bad for the country too and didn't really free the slaves. Oh and it really wasn't those racist Republicans that supported the Civil rights act of 1964 it was us, your loyal Democrat teacher that did. One of those racist Democrats are still there(grand wizard Byrd of Virginia), he's seen the light now. In the people's republic of California one school district is trying to stop any reference to the US Constitution because: OMG, it says GOD in it. It really sucks to be free doesn't it.
The only thing that will continue to eat away at our civil liberties are PC'ers and activist judges who make up law from the bench and rely on FORIEGN law and world ideas such as that wonderful Supreme court justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Oh and she just happened to have run the ACLU. Flame away and forgive any spelling errors. Useful idiots is an applicable phrase here.
 
That's exactly why I said that we ignore the ACLU. Although ignoring them, I suppose is not the answer. Fighting them, maybe....
Boy, is this gonna open up a can o'worms! :sad2:
 
turbo594 said:
Useful idiots is an applicable phrase here.

Really, it seems much of your concern about the ACLU not defending Christian rights is debunked by the fact that in 2004 the ACLU went to court to defend a Christian student's right to express her beliefs at school - in this case, through her yearbook quote - when the school tried to suppress it. The settlement includes reinserting the Bible verse in all copies of the yearbook on file at the high school, plus training on free speech and religious freedom for the staff. The student involved did not want any money.

They were also involved in the rights of Christian students to wear T-Shirts proclaiming their faith in either 2004 or early 2005.

Remember, their purpose is to try to protect all of our rights, not just the rights you personally like. I just don't think the finger scans at Disney invade my privacy, if the ACLU does feel that way, they are welcome to file suit and let the court decide...then we will have a definite answer.
 
Chuck S said:
Really, it seems much of your concern about the ACLU not defending Christian rights is debunked by the fact that in 2004 the ACLU went to court to defend a Christian student's right to express her beliefs at school - in this case, through her yearbook quote - when the school tried to suppress it. The settlement includes reinserting the Bible verse in all copies of the yearbook on file at the high school, plus training on free speech and religious freedom for the staff. The student involved did not want any money.

They were also involved in the rights of Christian students to wear T-Shirts proclaiming their faith in either 2004 or early 2005.

Remember, their purpose is to try to protect all of our rights, not just the rights you personally like. I just don't think the finger scans at Disney invade my privacy, if the ACLU does feel that way, they are welcome to file suit and let the court decide...then we will have a definite answer.

Like I said some local chapters will still take cases like you mentioned.
 
It was rumored (at least I think it was a rumor) that some of the 9/11 terrorists visited Disney. Just for arguments sake, how would you feel if it wasn't a scan, but really a fingerprint that was taken, it was compared to a database of "bad guys," which resulted in them being arrested and planes not being flown into buildings?

I'm not on either side of this issue, but I think its an interesting debate.
 
MNSusan said:
It was rumored (at least I think it was a rumor) that some of the 9/11 terrorists visited Disney. Just for arguments sake, how would you feel if it wasn't a scan, but really a fingerprint that was taken, it was compared to a database of "bad guys," which resulted in them being arrested and planes not being flown into buildings?

I'm not on either side of this issue, but I think its an interesting debate.

Personally, I don't think I would be comfortale with an actual finger print in an electronic file. There are other ways to ID people, like Drivers Licenses or passports.

Of course, it would also depend upon risk and what info we actually had to work with as far as the actual threat. Then a finger print may be warranted.
 
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