Absolute truth? Yes or no...

[BelleMcNally]

Yes. The inscription left on your forehead after that round of thumping acts as your membership card.

Seriously...

 

[hokiefan33]

Jesus himself Never uses the word Christian. Is the Bible (in whatever translation you choose to subscribe to) really the only source of truth in the world?

Does it matter that Jesus himself never used the word "Christian" in the Bible? Does that mean that we don't have to be one? Or are you saying that we can define it however we want to, since He never said it? The Bible IS the only source of truth for how to live your Christian life, for the Christian. It clearly is not THE only source of truth in the world. A lot of math books are full of truths, such as a triangle always has 3 sides, but that has no bearing on the Christian and how to live his/her life. However, when you start using worldly definitions for things relating to God or Jesus, such as you are trying to do with the word "Christian", you begin to move away from what the Bible teaches and into what you "feel" is right.

 

[cardaway]

This is just an interesting observation, I did a Google search for "Is there Absolute Truth?" expecting to get a lot of web pages discussion heisenberg, schroedinger, descartes, hegel and the like...
instead the first three pages of results are all from religious groups.

IMO this was the most telling piece anybody posted on this thread. After remembering it this morning, I did my own search and found the same results (guess in some people's opinion that would make it an absolute truth ).

Usually when one sees that kind of overkill, it's a sign that somebody is selling something with very little to stand on. Kill them with quantity.

 

[Keli]

I just wanted to chime in here to say that I believe in absolute truth. I don't really understand how some can believe otherwise. As a christian I believe that there is an Almighty God and that His reality is my reality.

 

[sodaseller]

The Bible IS the only source of truth for how to live your Christian life, for the Christian.

Tradition plays a significant role. The Church predated the canonical bible, and selected the Canon, with a large input from tradition. You are stretching a reform too far. What is ironic is that you are upholding two core interrelated beliefs - consubstantiality and Trinitarianism, that are more the products of tradition than scriptural text, which is most naturally read (notwithstanding the first book of John, the outlier), to undermine both. Using only scripture as the source of Truth, at least on these issues, leads to the heresy of Arianism. You are doing harm with misstatements

 

[hokiefan33]

Tradition plays a significant role. The Church predated the canonical bible, and selected the Canon, with a large input from tradition. You are stretching a reform too far. What is ironic is that you are upholding two core interrelated beliefs - consubstantiality and Trinitarianism, that are more the products of tradition than scriptural text, which is most naturally read (notwithstanding the first book of John, the outlier), to undermine both. Using only scripture as the source of Truth, at least on these issues, leads to the heresy of Arianism. You are doing harm with misstatements

Holy horse crap, Batman! Overlooking all the big words that you love to use, let me see if I can state plainly what I think you said - the concept of the Trinity is not Biblical, but based on tradition, and that Scripture, except for John (not sure whether you're referencing the gospel of John or 1 John), backs that up? Please clarify if this is not correct, or speak plain English next time, whichever you choose.

 

[sodaseller]

You know exactly what I'm saying Hokie. If you don't, you should learn your professed faith - it would either change you or make you more clearly choose sides. Make sure you understand what side you are serving

 

[hokiefan33]

You know exactly what I'm saying Hokie. If you don't, you should learn your professed faith - it would either change you or make you more clearly choose sides. Make sure you understand what side you are serving

Are you refusing to clarify what you wrote, and either agree or disagree with the summary I presented about what you wrote? I think I'm pretty clear when choosing sides, and I always say exactly what I mean, and don't leave any doubt as to where I stand. Why will you not clarify?

 

[cardaway]

Please clarify if this is not correct, or speak plain English next time, whichever you choose.

Looked like plain English to me.

 

[sodaseller]

About "choosing sides" and claiming not to understand, see John 8;42-47

 

[eclectics]

Looked like plain English to me.

I'm certainly not a Rhodes Scholar but I understood it.

 

[scubamouse]

Tradition plays a significant role. The Church predated the canonical bible, and selected the Canon, with a large input from tradition. You are stretching a reform too far. What is ironic is that you are upholding two core interrelated beliefs - consubstantiality and Trinitarianism, that are more the products of tradition than scriptural text, which is most naturally read (notwithstanding the first book of John, the outlier), to undermine both. Using only scripture as the source of Truth, at least on these issues, leads to the heresy of Arianism. You are doing harm with misstatements

there are big words here?

ITA with sodaseller and BelleMcNally throughout this thread.

In my short time here, I've learned that hokiefan33 is the only authority on true Christianity and any of us that don't practice Christianity in the presice way enumerated by hokie, we are Godless Heathens.

Silly me, I thought only God judged us for our actions and faith.

 

[2funny2c]

there are big words here?

ITA with sodaseller and BelleMcNally throughout this thread.

In my short time here, I've learned that hokiefan33 is the only authority on true Christianity and any of us that don't practice Christianity in the presice way enumerated by hokie, we are Godless Heathens.

Silly me, I thought only God judged us for our actions and faith.

And He most certainly will.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

And believing that Jesus is not the son of the ONE TRUE GOD is clearly NOT a Biblical belief. It is in fact a very core belief for a Christian's life. The Bible tells us about God, Jesus (His Son), and what we are to believe about Him. And if the Bible says that there is one God, and Jesus is His Son, how can you call yourself a Christian if you don't believe that basic belief? You can't.

I have to agree with this.

 

[Crankyshank]

Holy horse crap, Batman! Overlooking all the big words that you love to use, let me see if I can state plainly what I think you said - the concept of the Trinity is not Biblical, but based on tradition, and that Scripture, except for John (not sure whether you're referencing the gospel of John or 1 John), backs that up? Please clarify if this is not correct, or speak plain English next time, whichever you choose.

The concept of trinity is tradition. There are other religions that pre-date Christianity that incorporate the trinity. Hinduism, Egyptian, Babylonian and Assyrian paganism are just some examples of the use of the Trinity in the religion.

 

[hokiefan33]

Looked like plain English to me.

Then YOU clarify for me if what I summarized about what he said is correct, if you understand it, since he won't.

 

[hokiefan33]

About "choosing sides" and claiming not to understand, see John 8;42-47

Hey, for all who understood it the first time, or at least think they did, fantastic for you, here's your smily face

That scripture references what Jesus said, not what you said, unless, of course, you're claiming to be Jesus

So, I ask again, just so I can be sure that I understand what you meant by the post in question - did you mean what I summarized it to mean?

 

[scubamouse]

And He most certainly will.

the operative word there was only. sorry if you felt left out - if i'd remembered your exact user name i'd have added you to the post since you and hokie do have a veritable symbiotic relationship.

 

[cardaway]

...since you and hokie do have a veritable symbiotic relationship.

It's all coincence. And that's the absolute truth.

 

[hokiefan33]

Soda, you disappeared? Why are you hesitant to summarize what you said? Why won't you re-state it? If you believe it, and apparently you do, you should have no problem stating it? All I'm looking for is for you to state plainly and summarize it for me. I think you're evading it...