? about types of RV's

KristiKelly

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DH & I are thinking about buying a 5th wheel. When I was little we camped alot. We have DS6 & DD4 and think it would be alot of fun for them. DH likes 5th wheels, does anyone know if Chevy Avalanche will pull one? I know my Chrysler Town & Country won't:p What type RV do you camp with - trailer style or 5th wheel? What are the pro's & con's of each? We want the kind with the bunkbeds. What are good, better & best brands. Sorry, for all the questions, but we know very little about RV's, do they have a book "RV's for Dummies"? I definitely need one:p
 
Visit this website. They have great forums about all types of RV's and a lot of knowledgeable folks participate. Ask your questions or just read existing topics.

www.rv.net

Hpyhiker
 
HI! We just bought a new travel trailer. We camp alot, and friends of ours have 5th wheels. My husband said his short bed pick-up would be tight for a 5th wheel, and I think the Avalanche beds are just as short or shorter.

Check out the site posted above, see if anyone has any advice in that regard, but hubby says 5th wheels do pull much nicer, weight distribution and all.......

We traded up from one without a slide out to one with a Super Slide! That is my absolute pre-requisite from now on. I cant believe the difference in space, especially if it rains and the kids want to play on the floor inside.

Happy Camping! We will be in FW in August, but chose to fly this time and stay in a cabin (my parents will be in a campsite there). Kids didnt want to drive again from CT. Too long for them.
 
Oh, sorry, just re-read your post......

with kids, bunks are awsome.

We just bought a Wildwood LE 26 ft, with the slide and front bedroom, 2 bunks in back.

Our old one was three bunks in back, but now-a - days its hard to find more than 2 bunks without it being 34ft long!!:p

DH says they are all basically made by the same company, just different levels of workmanship, basically what you can afford. Wildwood is by Forest River, kind of middle of the road.

See if you can find a camping show near you, this is the busy season, should be one not too far. Good Luck!
 

We have a Jayco Kiwi 23B - a hybrid. We tow it with a 2001 Ford F150 Supercrew. Tows like a dream. You can see it HERE . Jayco now makes a bunkhouse model version of the Jay Feather. You can see it HERE
 
you might wan to check out www.irv2.com as well, unfortunately the Avalanche will not tow as fifth wheel, it will tow a conventional trailer though, fifth wheel hitches are mounted slightly in front of the rear axle, with the Avalanche there would not be enough clearance for the camper. Fifth wheels generally have a higher "Pin" weight that the "Hitch" weight of a trailer and eat into your trucks weight rating.
 
One of the most confusing areas for anyone considering a new towable RV is the aspect of "what can I tow, and which hitch should I purchase?".

Before you go any further, get your vehicle owners manual, and determine what your limits are. Easier said than done! As towing capacities of vehicles are based on several factors including the vehicle frame type (unibody or frame), engine, transmission, rear end gear ratio, tires/load range, engine cooling capacity, transmission cooling capacity, alternator capacity as well as several other things. Woe is the camper who went out and purchased a towable RV without reviewing what their tow vehicle weight ratings were. The deal you find can quickly fade when you find out you need a new tow vehicle to move it!

Check with your vehicle manufacturer to see if they have a separate towing manual. Many do not include all towing information in the standard manual. It will probably take less than an hour, but with the manual and probably a few trips to the car/truck to read equipment stickers you will be able to determine the numbers you need to know.

Now, with that said do your homework first. When thinking about this type of purchase remember the roles different people play.
  • It's your job to think what is best for your family and keep them safe
  • It's the job of an RV salesman to move the campers on his lot; he needs to sell you something, anything to make money!

Please do not take everything told to you by an RV salesman as the truth. I'm sorry to say, I put these folks in the same class as used car salesman; some good ones but the majority are just trying to sell what they have on the lot.

Now from smallest to largest here ar the types of towable RVs:

  • Pop Up Campers, also known as tent trailers. The ends pull out and the roof "pops up" to create the living space. Traditionally these were "starter" RVs, but today you can find all of the features of a standard RV in a pop up. They tow from a standard hitch (the ball under the bumper).
  • Hybrid The hybrid is a cross over from a pop up and a travel railer. While they have full height hard walls you will generally find a pop out bed on the front, rear , or both of a hybrid. They also tow from a standard hitch (the ball under the bumper).
  • Travel Trailer A hard wall camping trailer. While it may have a "slide out", the bunks are built within the confines of the hard walls. They also tow from a standard hitch (the ball under the bumper).
  • 5th Wheel Similar to the travel trailer with the towing method being the difference. The 5th wheel connects to the tow vehicle (either a pick up or custom 5th wheel tractor) in what would be the bed area of the tow vehicle. 5th wheels by their design tend to be the largest of the towable RVs (you can get small ones)
All of the types may have a "slide out" on the side. This allows part of the RV to "slide out" the side, thus creating additional floor/living space.

Now you also have to take ownership considerations into account:
  • Purchase price
  • Warranty
  • How often will you use it
  • What type of camping will you do? Always at full service campgrounds like FW or do you want to go off into the National Forest to get away from it all
  • Where will you store it
These questions may change the type RV you are thinking of. I will use my family as an example. While we enjoy camping at FW and other "resort" campgrounds, our favorite camping is in the National Forest where we can get away from it all. Additionally, we have homeowners association rules against RVs in the yard. So while we may like larger RVs, a pop up fits the bill for us.
  • It is easier to tow, especially on the gravel roads of the National Forest. And, once we get there it is easier to maneuver it around the trees to set it up. We are talking remote camping here, not in a campground
  • When in the popped down (towing) condition we can fit it into our garage. This eliminates storage fees and I can work on it at home when I get the feeling to.
  • It's less expensive

As to quality of brands, you are going to find a very wide range of opinions. Generally folks tend to support and defend the brand they have. Once you have figured out the type RV and price range you have to spend it is time to visit RV dealers or better yet an RV show. There should be a show in your general area this time of year, but remember RVs tend to cost more in the spring and less in the fall, but with the soft RV-market dealers are ore willing to deal these days.

Here are some pages on my website that you may be interested in. While they are directed at pop ups, the information generally works for all type of campers:

Towing and Hitch Information

Dry Camping National Forest Style!

Pop Up Brakes


Good luck in your search!
 
Wow! Thanks Tim5055, That's great info! We too have homeowner's assoc. that will not allow travel trailers to remain parked in driveways. We would have to store it somewhere. We would mostly stay w/in a campground (I think), I'm not a "true" outdoors(wo)man. We love to go to the beach, this would make it easier for us to go more often and possibly take our dog (rather than board her). We had initially started out looking @ 5th wheels, but now realize that's not an option. We have just started "talking" about this within the last week, but I love to research & plan, so I knew to start with the "DIS" first. Thanks everyone!!
 
I tow a 29ft Pioneer bunk house TT with my 03 Avalanche, It does a decent job. Based on my equipment my truck is rated at 8000 #, my trailer weighs around 6000 # loaded for the road. Having pulled it over 7000 miles in the last 18 months I can say with conviction that I would not tow anything heavier. The profile of the trailer makes it even worse in a head wind.
If you need info specific to the Avalanche, check out www.chevyavalanchefanclub.com they have sections specifically for towing issues.
I would be more than happy to answer any other questions you might have on avalanches.

Scott
 
Originally posted by KristiKelly
Wow! Thanks Tim5055, That's great info! We too have homeowner's assoc. that will not allow travel trailers to remain parked in driveways. We would have to store it somewhere. We would mostly stay w/in a campground (I think), I'm not a "true" outdoors(wo)man. We love to go to the beach, this would make it easier for us to go more often and possibly take our dog (rather than board her). We had initially started out looking @ 5th wheels, but now realize that's not an option. We have just started "talking" about this within the last week, but I love to research & plan, so I knew to start with the "DIS" first. Thanks everyone!!

OK, with this additional information I would say don't rule out a pop up. You could look at what are becoming known as "high side pop ups". In these, the side walls are higher than standard pop ups so you eliminate problems with fold down/over cabinets inside. As an example, look at the Fleetwood Folding Trailer Sequoia. With the slide out on the Sequoia you end up with a nice amount of floor space inside, plus you can pop it down and park it in most garages.

You doesn't say the size of the family, so that will affect the RV you buy.

Now, here are a couple of more pages to look at:

Camping With Your Dog

Folding Trailer Manufacturer Web Sites

Again, good luck!. Let me know if you have additional questions.
 
We have a travel trailer, a Jayco Eagle. We have been doing a seasonal site at a campground the past 2 years. So we haven't done too much towing other than to bring it up there(upstate NY) and back to Long Island. Prior to that,we did camp in both upstate and Ct. Problem for us is that my husband hates towing for just the weekend.traffic and roads here on the Long Island made it such a hassle. So we started doing the seasonal site at a campground we like. We made much more use of the unit...as we would drive upstate on a Fri. afternoon and come back on a Sunday...something we weren't doing if we were trailering. My son has made some friends in the campground that are also seasonal. I spend time there without my husband and he meets up with us on the weekend.
We've done this for the past two seasons...and I'm sort of itching to do a little more traveling with the trailer. I hope that my husband will be able to get a bit more time this summer...if he can get a couple of weeks together we'd love to get down to Fort wilderness. I hope, I hope!
 
I'm an Avalanche owner and have some bad news for you:( ... they cannot tow 5th wheels. I'm not sure what the issue is. It may be he short box, or the trim from the cab to the box, the height of the box or something else, but they can't tow one.

On the other hand, ours tows our 31# TT with no problem!:teeth:

Along with the truck I have to give the Hensley Hitch we purchased a good deal of the credit.
 
Originally posted by bigdisneydaddy
I can say with conviction that I would not tow anything heavier. The profile of the trailer makes it even worse in a head wind.

Scott

Scott,

I was a little worried pulling our 31 footer - about the same weight you are pulling - until I bought the Hensley. I can't believe what a difference it makes. I pulled from Michigan to Alabama through the hills of Kty during a thunderstorm surrounded by convoys of semi's and the trailer never budged an inch. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it for myself. ::yes::
 
Please do not take everything told to you by an RV salesman as the truth. I'm sorry to say, I put these folks in the same class as used car salesman; some good ones but the majority are just trying to sell what they have on the lot.

This is true. I am an RV Salesman. I have worked for the same company for 15 years. It is not that most sales people in my profession are trying to sell you anything they can it is that most don't take the time to ask the right questions.

And towing safely is not always their top concern. It should be though. I drove a truck for the first part of my working life and I take towing very seriously... In fact when you find an rv you want.... Ask to test tow it. If you have any concerns this will help. And if the dealer says no... Walk away. We don't do same day test tows (our service center has to check the customers car or truck first to make sure they have the correct wiring and such. But we do a lot of them.... Besides it will allow you to see if the salesperson knows about hitches and weight distrubution or is just reading a line....

As for some resources...

Trailer Life has tow ratings for most cars and trucks for the last few years. But the best way to go is to take your VIN# from your car or truck and take it to the service desk and have them run it. They will be able to tell you what that car or truck can pull. The trouble with owners manuals is that they are semi generic.

Towin ratings can depend on many things...

1. Engine Size
2. Rear end ratio
3. Transmission
4. Tire size
5. Wheel base...

Hope this helps...
 
We had a small pop-up which we bought new 10 years ago. We loved it because our use would be anywhere from 2-4 weeks per year. I had family with storage and so didn't have to pay extra for that. In other words, I didn't feel guilty during the years we didn't use it much because we didn't have that much money tied up in it.

It was great because we were well under the weight limit for towing with our minivan.

Well 2 years ago, we got a new minivan and I paid extra to have the tow package added so, even though we didn't need it at the time, we wouldn't have any problems with stressing the engine when towing.

Well, we went to an RV show a month before our trip to Ft W and decided to get a little larger pop-up. (This was great to compare the quality of the different manufacturers all in one place. We were also able to see ALL of the Viking models set up at one time to compare!) There have been a lot of technology changes in the last 10 years. There were three ranges of quality pop-ups within the same manufacturer and we went with the lowest one in the highest-quality range. Loved it ... but it is also 1,000 lbs heavier, a little longer, wider and taller than our old one.

As mentioned, I made sure to check the owner's manual of the van and we are at least 1,000 lbs under the towing restrictions. Please keep in mind that you will have baggage AND people riding in your vehicle and all of that needs to be taken into account when you look at your weight limits. We also had to take into account that we would be towing through the mountains (Michigan to Florida).

Anyway, our gas mileage dropped from 18.5 to 16.5 mpg, but it was still a successful trip and we were glad that we upgraded. We are about 6-10 years from retirement so plan to have this pop-up for another 10 years.

(We did not go with the slide-out because of the additional weight.)

Lot's of things for you to consider but I think it has been covered in the above responses. I think the main thing is a good match with your tow vehicle and how much money you want to sink into an RV - take into account how often you'll use it and the storage issue.

Don't put yourself in the position where you have to stress that you're not getting your money's worth or that a trip through the mountains is going to wreak your tow vehicle's engine.
 
p.s. I didn't note that we just got back from Ft. W.

Also, we had paid $2,800 for our old pop-up 10 years ago and were given $1,000 for it as a trade-in. I guess I was surprised that it held it's value so well.
 














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