Abby Sunderland Missing

[DisneyBamaFan]

Goodluck with that

Thanks, I'll need it.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

There was a thread on this board and on many other sites long before she signaled for help. Heck, there was outrage before she even set sail.

I didn't know about it before it became major news. I don't watch the fluff news programs. Sailing isn't a game. Circumstances make make it difficult for veterans on occasion.

 

[Aisling]

Hmm I don't see their actions coming close to meeting that definition.

I'm not sure I agree with that definition either, but I'm thinking it comes close. But I'm no lawyer, and I don't know what's inside those parents heads. I'm just putting it out there for pondering.

 

[Aisling]

The thing is we don't need to know, not our daughter. I'm sure some parents would have done things differently, good for them. This particular family went a different direction.

Ok, this is where we agree.

 

[Dismagic1]

Ok, this is where we agree.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

For all those who seem to care so much about Abby and want the parents prosecute for this, suppose they are sent to jail. What happens to Abby then? Ooops!!! But I'm sure you're looking out for her best interests.

That is the case for all negligent parents, though. What would be the difference? As a sailor I am angry for these parents for allowing this. It is really pretty darn easy to get knocked into the water, to cut oneself or to knock oneself half silly. I've seen it dozens of times from people with experience. It was irresponsible, and the only positive that would come from it supposed glory. Not a good reason to put a minor in a dangerous position by my reckoning.

Even emancipated children have help available with a simple 911 call.

 

[Dismagic1]

That is the case for all negligent parents, though. What would be the difference? As a sailor I am angry for these parents for allowing this. It is really pretty darn easy to get knocked into the water, to cut oneself or to knock oneself half silly. I've seen it dozens of times from people with experience. It was irresponsible, and the only positive that would come from it supposed glory. Not a good reason to put a minor in a dangerous position by my reckoning.

Even emancipated children have help available with a simple 911 call.

These aren't negligent parents. They allowed their daughter to pursue her life's dream. Mad props to them.

 

[Kelrykengab]

bull. That is like giving my 16 year 20 bucks, and telling him to drive across country. He has the ability to work, knows how to drive, obviously has the skills to get by. It is ridiculous, as is this trip. We have two sailboats, have been sailing for years. My kids were sailing from birth on. There is no way that a 16 year old has the life knowledge to be safe in this. If it goes well, it is because whe is luck.

Did I anger you by saying she is lucky? I just meant she is lucky to be alive b/c I thought she was dead (sadly). If you look at a previous post of mine, you will see I also agree that the whole thing is crazy, but I also am aware that she is not my daughter and it is not my life.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

i am sorry, Kelly!. I am angry but not at anyone here. I have been growling at these parents in my head since I heard about it.

DisMagic, no one says that we have to accomplish our "life's dreams" at 16. There are not rights to do so certainly. Parents sometimes have to be the common sense, not the cheerleader for teens. There are many adventures out there that are monitored, and safer for kid sailors. It just sounds like someone was trying to find endorcements or make a name. Her name in my book means less. If a camp is using her, my kid would not go to the camp.

 

[Dismagic1]

i am sorry, Kelly!. I am angry but not at anyone here. I have been growling at these parents in my head since I heard about it.

DisMagic, no one says that we have to accomplish our "life's dreams" at 16. There are not rights to do so certainly. Parents sometimes have to be the common sense, not the cheerleader for teens. There are many adventures out there that are monitored, and safer for kid sailors. It just sounds like someone was trying to find endorcements or make a name. Her name in my book means less. If a camp is using her, my kid would not go to the camp.

And you have the right to not let your daughter sail around the world if you so choose. These parents went a different direction. I don't see what gives you the right to tell them otherwise.

 

[Indiana Rose Lee]

And you have the right to not let your daughter sail around the world if you so choose. These parents went a different direction. I don't see what gives you the right to tell them otherwise.

Lol, obviously I don't have the right to tell them what to do.Otherwise none of this would be happening. The child would not have been put in a racing boat and sent off on her own.

I do have the right to say I think they are horrid people who do not have their child's best interest at heart. It is called an opinion. I also have the right to complain to anyone endorcing this behavior in this field, and hit them financially if I so choose. Word travels fast in this hobby, as it does in so many other close knit groups.

 

[mumom95]

Stay tuned.



Present.



Sorry, just started reading and jumped to the end of the thread.

As with anything law-related, it depends.

Kids as young as 16 who are already wards can be eligible for independent living programs. These programs place the kids in apartments without direct adult supervision. They are given stipends for their living expenses and the social workers check on them periodically, but they're on their own.

If your hypothetical involves a 16-year-old who is reasonably self-sufficient and able to live independently, CPS probably won't step in. CPS/DCFS/DFS/DYFS will want to see that the child's basic needs are met: food, shelter, clothing, phone. As long as there is no open danger to the kid, there won't be an intervention.

Last year, Bravo ran a reality show about kids growing up in Manhattan. One of the kids was living in Manhattan on her own with her teenage brother. I think the kids were 15 and 17. The parents moved out to the Hamptons and would see the kids on the weekends. Sometimes.

I know many people think that protective services is ready to swoop down on them at any moment, but that's not the case. Parents have much more freedom from state intervention than they might think. Of course, it helps if you're not a minority or have money.

Thanks for the info, you learn something new everyday!!

Now, I have another legal question. Let's say, hypothetically of course , that there were two kids ages 9 and 10 that were driving their mother crazy by the second week of summer vacation. Would it be illegal in the state of Ohio for the mom take a few days and go relax on a beach somewhere? Would it help the mom's cause if she made sure the kids had enough pop tarts, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Easy Mac to tide them over while she was gone and she claimed they were very responsible for their age?

 

[The Mystery Machine]

i am sorry, Kelly!. I am angry but not at anyone here. I have been growling at these parents in my head since I heard about it.

DisMagic, no one says that we have to accomplish our "life's dreams" at 16. There are not rights to do so certainly. Parents sometimes have to be the common sense, not the cheerleader for teens. There are many adventures out there that are monitored, and safer for kid sailors. It just sounds like someone was trying to find endorcements or make a name. Her name in my book means less. If a camp is using her, my kid would not go to the camp.

Obviously you missed the point of the voyage. She wanted to be the youngest to do this.

Sunderland, 16, was just past the halfway point of her attempt to become the youngest person to solo circumnavigate the globe.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2010/06/sailor-abby-sunderland-is-alive-and-unharmed.html

 

[tomthebarncat]

Obviously you missed the point of the voyage. She wanted to be the youngest to do this.



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/outposts/2010/06/sailor-abby-sunderland-is-alive-and-unharmed.html

Well, she did not accomplish that, but she can now claim to be one of the youngest drains on taxpayers money!! as she had to be rescued!

 

[wvjules]

Well, she did not accomplish that, but she can now claim to be one of the youngest drains on taxpayers money!! as she had to be rescued!

Well then, by all means, don't rescue her because it might burden the taxpayers.

 

[abdmom]

Thanks for the info, you learn something new everyday!!

Now, I have another legal question. Let's say, hypothetically of course , that there were two kids ages 9 and 10 that were driving their mother crazy by the second week of summer vacation. Would it be illegal in the state of Ohio for the mom take a few days and go relax on a beach somewhere? Would it help the mom's cause if she made sure the kids had enough pop tarts, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and Easy Mac to tide them over while she was gone and she claimed they were very responsible for their age?

It's decided on a case by case basis. Only Maryland and Illinois have laws on their books as to what constitutes a minimum age that children can be left alone or watch other children. In other states, it depends on the maturity of the child, whether or not the child feels comfortable in the situation. how long the parent is gone for, what other supervision/provisions the parent(s) have put in place etc. Hypothetically, if mom wanted to hit the beach for a few hours, left her cell phone number with the kids and the kids were reasonably responsible and knew what to do in an emergency, it would probably be OK. If the Mom stocked up on enough Wii games and poptarts, the kids probably wouldn't notice that she had even gone.

 

[Imzadi]

Obviously you missed the point of the voyage. She wanted to be the youngest to do this.

Would she also have been the youngest to die from this endeavor, had that been the outcome?

 

[Disneyrsh]

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[december]

Well then, by all means, don't rescue her because it might burden the taxpayers.

No one on this thread has said she shouldn't be rescued. I think the general feeling is that her parents have placed a huge burden on taxpayers for what we think is a foolish decision. Yes, they had the right to make the decision. But no I don't have to agree it is the right one. And I think Australia's taxpayers have the right to be pissed.

I don't have the right to tell my friend's husband not to walk out on his wife and 5 kids for the skank at work, but I still think he is an *** for doing it. And I happen to think her parents were foolish when they let her go, and when they let her brother do it 2 years ago. This opinion did not just form last night!

 

[Dismagic1]

I admire your psychic abilities.

Just common sense.