Aaron Sorkins quote: What did you think?

[MELSMICE]

Had to add........my girls all watch Teen Mom.

When I asked them why they watch that junk they all said, because it makes us realize how lucky we are that we are getting an education and reminds us what NOT TO DO.

So, in my house, that junk TV is not to promote the situation, but just the opposite.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

So the majority of the few teens you know are meeting your standards for doing alright. And yet you stated that you are generally disgusted by what teens say, that they have no pride, that they don't care about the future, and that they don't read. What exactly are you basing these generalizations on?

You posted a harsh criticism about a large group of people. You can't be surprised when people call you on the fact that your statement had little foundation to stand on. You have posted a number of threads that have stirred people up. You can't expect everyone to just forget about those. If you want them toforget you would have to change your username.

Please don't act like this thread was all about the quote. Half your original post was a criticism of teenage girls. If you didn't want people to comment on that, you wouldn't have posted it.

I'm not changing my user-name. I'm pretty sure I said some. In fact in the edit line i even stated that I added some.

 

[AustinTink]

Sweat pants are "in" right now, they are wearing them because they have pride in their appearance, not because they don't care what they look like. They are choosing to wear designer sweats for a reason.

This! My niece who lived with me wore soffee sweats and shorts almost everyday because she was on the drill team and "that's what the drill team wears" to school.

It's no different than me wearing acid wash jeans and boxy shirts with shoulder pads in HS because they were in.

 

[Planogirl]

I didn't realize that the quote was political. I like it anyway but only because of the way I read it.

Our schools don't allow sweatpants in the classroom. Problem solved I guess.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

If I offend anyone I am sorry that is not my intention at all. If i can say one thing it is that I don't know you and your life. If I make a statement it is not a collective you or your kid specifically. I just really didn't think that that needed to be spelled out or said.

Forgive for get move on..except for the person who implied something god awful about me. That's just not cool.

 

[Planogirl]

OP, you might be wise to just walk away. This thread is probably done now.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I didn't realize that the quote was political. I like it anyway but only because of the way I read it. Neither did I. I took it at face value. if anything I took it as a slap in the face towards shows like "Teen Mom" or "16 and pregnant"

Our schools don't allow sweatpants in the classroom. Problem solved I guess.

Very much so!

Once again I'm sorry for offending anyone. i will be much more cautious in any future postings.

 

[luvmy3]

If I offend anyone I am sorry that is not my intention at all. If i can say one thing it is that I don't know you and your life. If I make a statement it is not a collective you or your kid specifically. I just really didn't think that that needed to be spelled out or said.

Forgive for get move on..except for the person who implied something god awful about me. That's just not cool.

You generalized about teen girls, and there are alot of us on this board who are mother's, aunts, sisters, teacher's of teen girls. I'm not offended by your statements at all, I just don't think you have enough experience with teens to know what your talking about.

 

[FoundMyPrince]

How do you people remember who starts what threads? I have a few people on the boards I am friendly with and I remember their posts, but everyone else is generally just a blur to me.

some posters are a little more memorable than others

 

[bluesaturn]

I'm not changing my user-name. I'm pretty sure I said some. In fact in the edit line i even stated that I added some.

I'm not saying you have to change your username. Just don't be surprised that people remember stuff you posted in the past.

You did not say some in your original post. And you still know nothing about the bus stop girls, on which most of your rant seemed to be focused.

Regardless, nothing useful has come from this thread anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Planogirl]

The OP said that she was sorry for offending anyone and there's not much else she can do right now. I saw a bit too much generalizing maybe but otherwise this seems like a lot of fuss....

 

[Magic Mom]

The only teens I have a problem with are the kids who think they are the most important pepole in the world simply because they were born.

But I really can't lay the blame totally on them, most of them are self important twits because that's what their parents have been telling them their whole lives.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

You generalized about teen girls, and there are alot of us on this board who are mother's, aunts, sisters, teacher's of teen girls. I'm not offended by your statements at all, I just don't think you have enough experience with teens to know what your talking about.

You don't know my complete background or history . It's ok I'm not trying to share that information here honestly there are to many crazy/sickos out there. No pics of me or my family or other identifiable info. I'm paranoid, I know.

 

[tink1969]

Ugh...Heeere we go again.

 

[tink1969]

The only teens I have a problem with are the kids who think they are the most important pepole in the world simply because they were born.

But I really can't lay the blame totally on them, most of them are self important twits because that's what their parents have been telling them their whole lives.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Oh i'm sorry what should I do while i wait behind the bus that pics them up every AM? Creepy really? Get over yourself. What you are implying is VERY rude and serious.

I see that you have apologized for offending, but you still get a jab in at me in that post
I am sorry this upsets you, but yes, I truly would be upset/worried/frightened if i learned someone who drives the rout my child takes to school was paying such close attention to their clothing every day at the bus stop that she knew how often each girl wore sweats or PJ pants vs. other bottoms. You are most likely totally harmless and just looking so you can criticize and point out to your little one what not to wear or something (I d life lessons things like that with my kids--I am not saying that is bad, though personally for me it would be other things because I think wearing sweats is a non issue--I would be pointing out the kids doing something dangerous and telling my kids how dangerous it is and I hope they are never that kid). Since fashion is apparently very important to you (odd, given your dislike of social stuff--seems contradictory) that is probably all that is going on with you and I can see that--but MOST people would never notice this or pay that much attention to the individual teens, so it still leaves a scary/creepy feeling for me. I think my feeling is reasonably valid and I am glad you are not getting stuck behind buses in my town.

I used to get caught behind the bus. I eventually started leaving 2 minutes earlier to avoid it Prior to that, I messed with the radio, looked at the elaves on the trees, glanced at teh kids getting on the bus, turned around and talked to my kids in the back seat, etc.--but I did not having an ongoing tally of who wears what in my head. Maybe I am the abnormal one


As for the "get over yourself" comment?! REALLY????? Pot meet kettle

And to clear it up the assoication with attire and wanting to succeed clealry has gone over many heads. Ever heard of the phrase "dress to impress"? Yes they are only in HS or MS whatever it may be but how you dress is a reflection of yourself. Yes, if I'm going to the gym or grocery shopping I'm wearing sweats. Things have become "relaxed" in my eyes when it comes to even dressing. If you don't have pride in how you look, whats next? All that seems to matter to SOME teens is what phone they have. It's very rare to see a teen with a book in their hand and TO ME it's just sad to see girls this way.
AND IT ALL GOES BACK TO WANTING MORE! Or being ELITE.

My daughter reads, on average, 4-5 novels a week. It used to be more but school and social things are taking up some of her times these days. Nonetheless I think you could say she is an avid reader. You will almost never see a book in her hand though; she reads on her kindle. So do most of her friends (most seem to read a book, for fun, every week or two).
When I worked at a small town library in the US, the patrons who checked out the most books were parents with preschoolers, followed by teens. Yep, TEENS. They read a lot more than the adults. Those parents were checking out books to read to their preschoolers, but not anything to read themselves (understandably--it is hard finding the time when you have a preschooler). SO, the group which was actually reading to themselves the most was by far and a way the teens.

WOW for a group that gets into an uproar about people being judgmental. No matter what I say many of you will find something wrong or some reason to dislike me. Not really sure what the issue is? You don't know me personally and yet many are you in a tizzy. It doesn't take much "investigating" to find someones older post. This post was merely a question on what someone on famous stated and yet it has been turned and twisted into a witch hunt. if you have a problem with me that fine, ignore me and my post but why spend the "energy" hating someone you will never meet or know?

But it wasn't. It was half a question about the quote and half an unrelated slam on teens. People are responding to that second half--the one you deleted when you found out people did not agree with you acessment (people with actual regular contact with large groups of teens).

 

[Tiger926]

WOW for a group that gets into an uproar about people being judgmental. No matter what I say many of you will find something wrong or some reason to dislike me. Not really sure what the issue is? You don't know me personally and yet many are you in a tizzy. It doesn't take much "investigating" to find someones older post. This post was merely a question on what someone on famous stated and yet it has been turned and twisted into a witch hunt. if you have a problem with me that fine, ignore me and my post but why spend the "energy" hating someone you will never meet or know?

Really...? You could take your own advice, and not assess and evaluate the teens you see at the bus stop each morning. That would be a start.

If I offend anyone I am sorry that is not my intention at all. If i can say one thing it is that I don't know you and your life. If I make a statement it is not a collective you or your kid specifically. I just really didn't think that that needed to be spelled out or said.

Forgive for get move on..except for the person who implied something god awful about me. That's just not cool.

Sorry, but when you generalize and pre-judge others in a collective group that you don't know, you pretty much are judging them based on an external factor.

You seem to be new here, yet with your last several posts, we could assess, judge and evaluate you based on:

-Your signature: You are Queen to a Princess and you live at the Grand Floridian
-Your other threads (Disney Moms Panel - yikes!)

Would it be fair for us to do that? How would you feel? These are all questions I would ask my own children (despite being young), and my highschool students.

You are being very silly if you think that your comment on teens meant nothing. If it did, you would not have put it there, and then subsequently removed it. It did mean something...You made a connection in your head, between Aaron Sorkin's quote, and the teens you see at the bus stop each day. Why?

Life on a message board can be different than real life. We don't know you, but we can make assumptions and pre-judgments based on the words you put into cyberspace. Just like you pre-judge those teens each and everyday without knowing them, the same can be done with you on here.

Your words can be the 'sweatpants' of the teen girls you dislike so much - is it fair to determine what kind of person you are if this is the only factor we use?

The difference is that you haven't taken the time to get to know any of those teens, yet on here, we have read quite a bit about your opinions and assessments of differing groups of people. Sure, people can ignore you, and some probably already have started to do so, but that is immature - it's an everybody else's fault, and not mine way of thinking.

If you continue to post as you have as of late, you may find it difficult for others to take you seriously or respect your opinions.

Tiger

 

[Agri]

I'm going to ignore what most people said, although I'm guessing I agree with a lot of them.

“And I want to thank all the female nominees tonight for helping demonstrate to my young daughter that elite is not a bad word, it’s an aspirational one. Honey, look around, smart girls have more fun, and you’re one of them.”

I loved what he said at the end of his speech on Monday.

Thoughts?

I thought this was the most ridiculous thing I heard that night.

He wants his 10 year old daughter to be 'smart' - like an actress and that 'elite' isn't bad? Seriously? Yes, elite is bad when you are talking about ACTING. Acting is supposed to be about the art, not about getting an award. You can act just as well in a hometown theater as you can on a movie set. Same goes for the other arts - Do I need to win a Grammy to make me a worthwhile singer? No, I don't.

(I'll stress this again - his daughter is 10. Not exactly a teenager.)

I'll also throw this out there - have you seen how these actors and actresses let their teenagers dress? I've even seen Madonna's kid dressed up like an adult when she was 10! (So no, I really disagree with his quote.)

A ten year old girl should feel free to be interested in whatever she chooses and to be able to make up her own darn mind about whether elite is good or bad. I, personally, would prefer for my hypothetical daughter to be exposed to all sorts of professional women who are successful in their careers - not just a bunch of actresses who (mostly) didn't go to college.

(And really, its a very lame attempt at a Palin slam. The more people pay attention to her, the more she'll stick around, folks!)

But hey, guess what OP? 12 years from now when your daughter is a teenager, you can try to tell her what you think she should wear. Of course, by then she'll be such a special snowflake, good luck with that.

I'd rather my child go to school is something she is comfortable in, as she's there to learn, not to make a fashion statement or meet the approval of someone I don't know or care to know.

 

[Liberty Belle]

No, but every am at the bus stop there are a few that always do.

Well, maybe they can't afford other pants (sweats are cheap) or maybe they have sensory issues (my 8 year old practically lives in sweats because of his sensory issues) or maybe they just feel more comfortable that way.

I, for one, am happy when I see a teenaged girl whose primary focus is NOT her appearance.

 

[Liberty Belle]

And to clear it up the assoication with attire and wanting to succeed clealry has gone over many heads. Ever heard of the phrase "dress to impress"? Yes they are only in HS or MS whatever it may be but how you dress is a reflection of yourself. Yes, if I'm going to the gym or grocery shopping I'm wearing sweats. Things have become "relaxed" in my eyes when it comes to even dressing. If you don't have pride in how you look, whats next? All that seems to matter to SOME teens is what phone they have. It's very rare to see a teen with a book in their hand and TO ME it's just sad to see girls this way.
AND IT ALL GOES BACK TO WANTING MORE! Or being ELITE.

How you dress is a small, tiny reflection on yourself. What you value, how you judge others, that's what truly reflects your character.