A twisted use of Mickey's likeness for "art"

[dalt01]

Agree with me? I shared the article because Disney fans mightbe interested and I said:



There is nothing to agree with here..

actually there is..........by making the statement "someone has to explain to me how this qualifys as art" you are saying that you do not think it is and opening the door for debate with whomever thinks that it is.......................

 

[DisneyKevin]

It may be me, but someone needs to explain to me how this qualifies as art.

There is nothing to agree with here. It is a statement that shows my confusion as to how this would be considered art. It is not an opinion that one can agree or disagree with.

Seems like an opinion to me.

Art is subjective.

Whether you like it...or approve of it... or understand it, is irrelevant.

 

[challer]

Seems like an opinion to me.

you are saying that you do not think it is and opening the door for debate with whomever thinks that it is.......................

No subjectivity here. The verdict is in.

Art is subjective.

Whether you like it...or approve of it... or understand it, is irrelevant.

Now, THIS is a response to the original post. Not whether he succeeded in getting a rise out of people or stirring emotion. Is it art? Your assessment: if anyone thinks of it as art, then it is art. Cannot argue with that.

Now, contrary to the assessments above about the meaning behind my original post, I will share my opinion:

Is it art?

I have no idea.

Is it tasteless? Yes.

Is it offensive? Yes.

Is it art? I don't know.

It probably lies somewhere between lousy art meant to offend and a shock-job disguised as art.

Will I criticize one who thinks this is undoubtedly art? No way, nor will I shout "amen" to one who claims there is 0% art in this piece..

My "leave it to others to debate" comment referred to whether the "success" of the artist getting an emotional response as a possible gauge of the value of art. That seemed to be beyond the pale of the OP.

While some think I posted the article as a way to broadcast my opinion as a way to instigate debate, I meant to do nothing of the sort. I shared an article. I shared my initial impression. I didn't want it as a way only to hear opinions of those who agree with me, nor would I have cared if nobody agreed with me. I did it to share an awareness of an issue and to get my fellow DISers opinions on the issue. Stimulate discussion - why not?

Though I do think it took a nasty, lil' turn when the discussion went from the actual issue to the assumed motivation of my sharing the issue. Though I take no offense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about me and my motivation.

 

[challer]

doesnt one serve the other?

One can serve the other, but good art doesn't equal attention, and attention doesn't equal art.

 

[Launchpad11B]

That artist sucks. Just my opinion.

 

[dpuck1998]

I think the artist is an idiot, but I would die for his right to paint it. As long as my tax money isn't supporting him (which all to often it is, and yes I know this particular artist isn't an american), I could care less what he paints. If everyone that couldn't stand it just ignored it, it would go away without any fanfare.

 

[DisneyKevin]

No subjectivity here. The verdict is in.



Now, THIS is a response to the original post. Not whether he succeeded in getting a rise out of people or stirring emotion. Is it art? Your assessment: if anyone thinks of it as art, then it is art. Cannot argue with that.

Now, contrary to the assessments above about the meaning behind my original post, I will share my opinion:

Is it art?

I have no idea.

Is it tasteless? Yes.

Is it offensive? Yes.

Is it art? I don't know.

It probably lies somewhere between lousy art meant to offend and a shock-job disguised as art.

Will I criticize one who thinks this is undoubtedly art? No way, nor will I shout "amen" to one who claims there is 0% art in this piece..

My "leave it to others to debate" comment referred to whether the "success" of the artist getting an emotional response as a possible gauge of the value of art. That seemed to be beyond the pale of the OP.

While some think I posted the article as a way to broadcast my opinion as a way to instigate debate, I meant to do nothing of the sort. I shared an article. I shared my initial impression. I didn't want it as a way only to hear opinions of those who agree with me, nor would I have cared if nobody agreed with me. I did it to share an awareness of an issue and to get my fellow DISers opinions on the issue. Stimulate discussion - why not?

Though I do think it took a nasty, lil' turn when the discussion went from the actual issue to the assumed motivation of my sharing the issue. Though I take no offense. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about me and my motivation.

In my opinion, this was a discussion on the nature of art.

The fact that you stated that you didn't know if it was art or not led me to believe that you were interested in discussion.

I now see that you aren't.

The fact that you feel that this took a nasty turn surprises me in that I don't see a nasty post in this thread.

There are many artists and art works that I don't understand or appreciate....but I never question whether they are to be considered art

 

[dalt01]

i did not mean to offend.................hope nothing i said was taken as nasty..........some of us just really like to hear different opinions and enjoy the back and forth.................feel free to disagree with me anytime

 

[gkrykewy]

i did not mean to offend.................hope nothing i said was taken as nasty..........some of us just really like to hear different opinions and enjoy the back and forth.................feel free to disagree with me anytime

I disagree with your use of at least seventy five.................... dots................ in every post. I demand satisfaction, sir.

 

[WebmasterPete]

I disagree with your use of at least seventy five.................... dots................ in every post. I demand satisfaction, sir.

Oh, you beat me to it. I was going to say that I was offended by Dalton's constant use of the ........ as it is clearly a subconscious but obvious misogynistic reference to the menstrual cycle and demeaning to women which clearly means you hate gay people.

As for the alleged 'art' - all I keep thinking is "who knew Mickey had such a hot body?".

Pete

 

[dalt01]

I disagree with your use of at least seventy five.................... dots................ in every post. I demand satisfaction, sir.

that can be arranged.......................i am only 3 hours away......and......my daughter lives in Royersford.............choose your weapon..........and thank you i didnt think anyone noticed

 

[dalt01]

i did not mean to offend.................hope nothing i said was taken as nasty..........some of us just really like to hear different opinions and enjoy the back and forth.................feel free to disagree with me anytime

I disagree with your use of at least seventy five.................... dots................ in every post. I demand satisfaction, sir.

Oh, you beat me to it. I was going to say that I was offended by Dalton's constant use of the ........ as it is clearly a subconscious but obvious misogynistic reference to the menstrual cycle and demeaning to women which clearly means you hate gay people.

As for the alleged 'art' - all I keep thinking is "who knew Mickey had such a hot body?".

Pete

see? theres a man who disagrees with everything i have said in the past......anything i will say today...........and even has dibs on anything i might say in the future....and is obviously having a hot flash.

 

[thefatmanrocks]

Hey Kevin, Whats wrong with Bob Dylan? I love his music!!

 

[dpuck1998]

Hey Kevin, Whats wrong with Bob Dylan? I love his music!!

I think I love his music too, I'm just not sure what he is saying.

 

[Launchpad11B]

Bob Dylan's music sucks. Just my opinion.

 

[DisneyKevin]

Hey Kevin, Whats wrong with Bob Dylan? I love his music!!

I have a homework assignment for you.

Check out his Christmas CD on iTunes....specifically Must Be Santa.

Once completed, check back in and let us know if you made it through the song without laying on the floor, holding your sides and rolling back and forth with tears in your eyes from laughter.

If you are a Dylan fan...it's probably a must for your holiday collection.

 

[dalt01]

That artist sucks. Just my opinion.

Bob Dylan's music sucks. Just my opinion.

remind me not to tick you off today

 

[dalt01]

Hey Kevin, Whats wrong with Bob Dylan? I love his music!!

the music was groundbreaking.............it was his choice of a vocalist that i questioned.

 

[Launchpad11B]

remind me not to tick you off today

Just trying to have some fun.

 

[jcb]

"Art" is simply a means of expression that can be perceived by others (though some works, namely John Cage's "4:33" stretches this boundary as one can ask how complete silence for 4 minutes and 33 seconds can be "perceived" by others). A crayon drawing by a two year old is "art" but it is not likely to be exhibited by anyone other than the artist's relatives and even then for only a "limited engagement."

Now if the debate is over whether certain "art" should be exhibited, then you are talking about taste (or money).

And, of course, I am taking Chad's original post far too literally but then I don't know how have a meaningful debate about taste. I always fall back on what Don said (well, not his post about loving Bob Dylan's music).