A sad day at WDW....

[momof2inPA]

I disagree. This is not a money thing. I have witnessed some of the worst behaved kids at Grand Floridian. Spoiled rotten and used to getting whatever they wanted and no one was going to tell them any different. So, classlessness cuts across all socioeconomic boundaries.

Well, my solution wouldn't take care of all the grumps, but with an increase in Disney prices, the crowds would decrease, the frustrations would diminish, and some people would stick to Six Flags instead of going to Disney. It sounds like a win-win for Disney and the hard core Disney fans. When my family visited Disney in the '80's it seemed like admission was quite expensive. I wonder if it has increased with the cost of living.

 

[L107ANGEL]

I was just sitting here thinking that maybe, to the family with the handicapped son, YOU were the pixie dust! Maybe they're home right now telling everyone about how there are some really great people at WDW...

I like your train of thought!

 

[Bobb G]

Long before there was an actually Animal Kingdom, I would refer to the Magic Kingdom as "Animal Kingdom". From the different posts on this subject, you can see why.

I agree about it being prevelent in MK, but I have seen this type of behaviour in all the parks. It's a shame.

Sometimes the adults are worse than the kids. They want to make sure little Susie and Tommy get theirs first before anyone else.

We'll be there 7/4 - 7/13 and this will be the last time for a good number of years. Fighting this type of...of...of stuff is not our idea of a vacation.

 

[njchris]

I see some rude people here and there. BUT.. I cannot let them affect my vacation. Aside from incidents like that poor kid being knocked down, I will just think how awful it must be to be them. I can't take on their negativity as my own.

Maybe it's a sign of what's going on in the world. Lots of tension in the real world so some of it is bound to leak through.

 

[Karibeth19]

Long before there was an actually Animal Kingdom, I would refer to the Magic Kingdom as "Animal Kingdom". From the different posts on this subject, you can see why.

I agree about it being prevelent in MK, but I have seen this type of behaviour in all the parks. It's a shame.

Sometimes the adults are worse than the kids. They want to make sure little Susie and Tommy get theirs first before anyone else.

We'll be there 7/4 - 7/13 and this will be the last time for a good number of years. Fighting this type of...of...of stuff is not our idea of a vacation.

I posted this story on another thread, but I'll repost it here, because it was one of the worst examples of this kind of behavior I saw on our vacation.

We went to Toontown for the rope drop at 10 am, and took the "secret" pathway between Space Mountain and Toontown, so we wouldn't have to stand with the crowds at the main entrance by the tea cups. We were the only ones at the rope by the Toontown train station, and we were right across from the Judge's Tent, where all the characters are. Right before time for the ropes to drop, out come Snow White, Cinderella, and Aurora, and my DD is calling to them and waving at them, and they are smiling and waving back. I knew that the princesses took kids by the hand and let them help open the tent, so, when they finally drop the rope, I told my DD to go see if she could find a princess. She starts walking towards them (not running, because we've told her not to run), and is almost there, when the rest of the crowd from the main entrance starts to catch up to us. All of a sudden, about 4 or 5 mothers come RUNNING (full speed!) past my DD to get to the princesses (a couple nearly running her over!). The kicker was, their DD's weren't even with them! They were still a good 10-20 feet behind us, because the mothers had run off so fast! Fortunately, Snow White had her eye on my DD, and walked past a mom (that was yelling at her daughter to hurry up) to grab her hand. We have this all on video and it is amazing to watch! How grown women could push past a 7 year old, who was being a good girl and not running like her parents told her not to, and who was truly the first one there, is just incredible to me. If that had been us, I certainly would not have pushed past a little girl to "save" a princess for my DD!

M&m's mom, I made the same observation you did! We usually go in Jan. or Feb. and have never encountered as many cranky people, CM's and Guests, as we did three weeks ago. I guess it's the heat!!

 

[ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!]

post the video!

 

[aanthony03]

I don't believe people. I have an idea, if Walt Disney is supposed to be the happiest place on earth, why can't they throw these people out. Hey, if people act like that in bars, resturants, and etc they get thrown out, so what would be the difference.

 

[DAWGPOUNDAJ]

I was just sitting here thinking that maybe, to the family with the handicapped son, YOU were the pixie dust! Maybe they're home right now telling everyone about how there are some really great people at WDW...

Aw thank you WL fan. lol I don't really think of us as being pixie dust though, but merely as human. I seriously think the people trampling the poor boy were robots whose computer chips were short circuiting! I've been mulling that over in my mind this past week and it's the only explanation I can come up with!

I noticed another poster had said she was concerned b/c a family member of hers has leg braces as well. I just wanted to apologize to them if, by starting this post, I have taken away a bit of the excitement b/c htat was not my intent at all. We had a wonderful time at WDW, but did see many more incidents than we have in the past. As other posters have mentioned though, they were there at the same time we were and did not witness anything atrocious, so I'll cross my fingers for you and your family to have a wonderful trip b/c I am sure you will.

 

[Amy&Dan]

I read all of these stories and it makes me so sad! I too have experienced some pretty grim moments during our Disney vacations. I have also seen some of the most wonderful acts of kindness. I once had a woman in front of me in line for Jasmine give us her spot when the CM told everybody she was last and everybody behind her was out of luck (including us). My dd was about to cry and the lady saw it and reminded her daughter they had already seen Jasmine several times that trip and got out of line. It was wonderful. We paid that forward later that day by giving some people our fastpasses for RNRC and they were thrilled to avoid a 45 minute standby line. I have also had people just push their way around us and give us a "I dare you" kind of look. I just try to concentrate on the goodness I encounter and feel sorry for the poor folks who are so rude! I really do have to say however, that the people who pushed over a handicapped child must indeed be the lowest of low, shame on them!

 

[Aroura]

Well, my solution wouldn't take care of all the grumps, but with an increase in Disney prices, the crowds would decrease, the frustrations would diminish, and some people would stick to Six Flags instead of going to Disney. It sounds like a win-win for Disney and the hard core Disney fans. When my family visited Disney in the '80's it seemed like admission was quite expensive. I wonder if it has increased with the cost of living.

Well, I am sorry, but IMHO that comment, and the one you made before it about hiking up the prices to keep only "true Disney" fans about is pretty much as rude as what this thread is complaining about. There are those of us in this world that don't have a lot of money but are still Disney lovers and cherish what Disney should bring to your life. That and classifying people as "Six Flags people". When did we start labeling people here by their economic class? There are those of us who cannot afford to take our kids to Disney every year, and yes, I will instead be going to our Six Flags which is only an hour away instead, but that makes me no less than a "Hard core Disney Fan".

Basically what it comes across that your saying is that only the rich should be "allowed" to experience the wonders of the World, and it is totally uncalled for. The crowds would diminish, and it would be such a win-win situation for you, who is obviously so much better than the rest of us, because us who cannot afford the hike would be kept out. Hate to burst your oh so rational bubble, but most of us with our Six Flags budgets are wonderful visitors to Disney, and will be sure not to darken your experience. And just an observance of my own, the most rotten people are usually the spoiled, wealthy ones thinking that they own where ever they stand, so your plan really wouldn't work. I will stick with going to Disney every two to three years, and going to Six Flags over New England inbetween them, and shall continue also to concider myself a Hard Core Disney Fan.


and I apologize to everyone else for being rude, but those comments really steamed me.

 

[disneefamily]

Disnee Dad Says...........................................Some of this you do not need to take.

1. Parade cutters. When you have a great spot, try to save room for a little kid or two. You will find a late family that doesn't know the tricks, and just wants what is best for the little ones. We always give them a spot, and the parents have never tried to hone in to little spot we save.

Play good defense. For one parade, this couple from Brazil was trying to get in front of us after we had been there 20 minutes, so I let the DD slide in as she was small. Mom tries the same thing, and it is like no way, you are as tall me.

Hands on hips, legs spread, based on her movement, I backed her behind a small tree a couple feet away! I hate waiting for parades, but I enjoyed that wait!

2.Just because we are nice doesn't mean we have to be meek. I let people cut in line all the time, but there is always some person that knows the people. No entire family cuts in front of me without a point person. " The look"
usually works, but once I had to say " I don't think so."

3. Racial slurs. Basically you leave this alone. I am half Japanese, and have heard many slurs to my culture. Some I laugh at, some I ignore, unless it is drected specifically at me I don't care. Even if it is, what do you tell a person with a " I'm Stupid" stamp on their forehead???

BTW, it's been over 20 years since a real direct attack, so I think America is growing up. We are better than we think.

 

[stemikger]

Sad, truly sad.

I guess it's the sign of the times. I also notice this behavior is becomming more prevelent on the roadways also.

Civility is dead.

 

[diddldonna]

On my last trip to Disneyworld i experienced a few line jumpers but the CM members saw them and sent them to the end of the line. What really makes me angry is the adults who push in front of little children to get their picture with a character. A number of times i have seen this happen but also CM were good and told them that sorry but since you line jumped you will not be allowed to have a photo with the character.

Then again on this subject is this Disneys fault that people are rude, raciest etc. This happens every-where now even at disney and other theme parks in the world. Just because disney is a magical place it doesn't stop a small number of people thinking they own the place.

Don't let these people spoil your time at disney, at least we are all kind and have respect for others.

Donna

 

[seashoreCM]

>>> A mother knocked over my 2 yr. old nephew at Chuckie Cheese yesterday and didn't even say sorry. I wanted to whack her!

Maybe you shoud'a. The more whacks the nuts get outside WDW the better they will be behaved inside WDW.

>>> racial slurs, knocking over

Maybe Disney needs to re-establish separate entrances for the handicapped and infirm. How often would Disney issue a Guest Assitance Card where the "disability" was "I keep falling down"? I would not be surprised if there are school districts who had to de-mainstream a few handicapped students and pay for transportation and special ed' out of the school budget because of the rude acts of schoolmates. I haven't seen it happen but it is easier for an otherwise silent majority to do rather than for a few handicapped parents to do: put the miscreants back in their place in order to reclaim budget money for the prom decorations or the music teacher's salary or the football uniforms and not need bake sales.

 

[jswalker1981]

Other people might not agree but I find this more at MK than the other parks. It seems like most people who visit WDW and only do one park choose MK -- so it tends to attract a wider range of people AND their manners, or lack thereof.

There was another thread last week about Six Flags -- those types of parks attract just about anyone, and you get some of the same types of people who visit the MK seeing it as just another amusement park rather than the whole Disney experience like we do; they bring their bad manners with them. I notice it even in the way guests throw trash on the ground etc. It just seems more rampant at MK! Do I make any sense?

It is kind of funny to hear about you talking about people throwing trash on the ground. Only because I went a couple of days ago, and I have a very bad chest cough, and I have been coughing up mucus like crazy. And I actually went out of my way to spit it out in plants on the sides of the walkways so that I don't just spit it on the walkways. Or I would find a lonely corner so that I wouldn't take away from everyone else's experience. I am sure no one would want to walk in front of Peter Pan and IASW right after I coughed up a lung. I try to be considerate of everyone, some people just aren't raised the same way, and I hate to see it be that way.

 

[WDSearcher]

I don't really think that the majority of the people trying to get into PhilharMagic behind the child in the wheelchair were trampling past and over them purposely. The initial five kids and their parents? Maybe. But anyone behind them was just "going with the flow" and following the momentum of the crowd. Once that mass of people starts to move, it's tough to get them to stop until they're inside.

I do kind of wonder, though, about the family with the child in braces. While I totally understand them wanting to allow their son to walk in under his own steam if possible, surely they must have seen the crowds in the waiting area. If I had been them, I'd have pulled the wheelchair over to the side and waited for the bulk of the crowd to enter before allowing my son to stand and walk. It would have allowed the biggest part (and the fastest moving part) of the crowd to pass and given the child some space to walk in. That one just seems like common sense.

 

[Duckfan-in-Chicago]

I don't really think that the majority of the people trying to get into PhilharMagic behind the child in the wheelchair were trampling past and over them purposely. The initial five kids and their parents? Maybe. But anyone behind them was just "going with the flow" and following the momentum of the crowd. Once that mass of people starts to move, it's tough to get them to stop until they're inside.

I do kind of wonder, though, about the family with the child in braces. While I totally understand them wanting to allow their son to walk in under his own steam if possible, surely they must have seen the crowds in the waiting area. If I had been them, I'd have pulled the wheelchair over to the side and waited for the bulk of the crowd to enter before allowing my son to stand and walk. It would have allowed the biggest part (and the fastest moving part) of the crowd to pass and given the child some space to walk in. That one just seems like common sense.

I had the same inital reaction to the OP. While most of the crowd prob. didn't see the child or were swept inside I would guess the first group knew what they did. And as a father who's child is just starting to walk, this analogy for some reason just popped into my head! I don't think right in front of a large mass of people ready to surge forward would be a great place for me to let my child try to walk. If he got trampled I would be partially responsible also. It's my responsibility to keep him out of harm's way, even though he may want to walk and I would love to see him walk.

 

[carone0318]

I love Disney and cherish the yearly trips we make as a family, but I also realize that it is filled with the rudest bunch of people. Going in with that thought, my trips tend to be a little better. I will say that my first day or two is harder than the rest of my trip. I guess with time I get used to the rudeness.

 

[amshowers]

We just went to wdw the end of April, we had such a great time at all the other parks,but is so true that there are so many people without manners at MK.I mean how hard it it to say excuse me instead of just running into people? The more crowded the ruder people seem to be, thank goodness for EMH at MK where crowds were low and people were friendly.

 

[lecach]

It is kind of funny to hear about you talking about people throwing trash on the ground. Only because I went a couple of days ago, and I have a very bad chest cough, and I have been coughing up mucus like crazy. And I actually went out of my way to spit it out in plants on the sides of the walkways so that I don't just spit it on the walkways. Or I would find a lonely corner so that I wouldn't take away from everyone else's experience. I am sure no one would want to walk in front of Peter Pan and IASW right after I coughed up a lung. I try to be considerate of everyone, some people just aren't raised the same way, and I hate to see it be that way.

jswalker - dont take this the wrong way, but I was kind of grossed out by your post. Why didnt you use a handkerchief or something instead of spitting mucus on plants?