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Judge rejects slave trauma as defense for killing
A Washington County judge threw out a PSU professor's novel theory at pretrial but said she may consider it at trial
Monday, May 31, 2004
HOLLY DANKS
HILLSBORO -- A Portland lawyer says suffering by African Americans at the hands of slave owners is to blame in the death of a 2-year-old Beaverton boy.




Randall Vogt is offering the untested theory, called post traumatic slave syndrome, in his defense of Isaac Cortez Bynum, who is charged with murder by abuse in the June 30 death of his son, Ryshawn Lamar Bynum. Vogt says he will argue -- "in a general way" -- that masters beat slaves, so Bynum was justified in beating his son.

The slave theory is the work of Joy DeGruy-Leary, an assistant professor in the Portland State University Graduate School of Social Work. It is not listed by psychiatrists or the courts as an accepted disorder, and some experts said they had never heard of it.

DeGruy-Leary testified this month in Washington County Circuit Court that African Americans today are affected by past centuries of U.S. slavery because the original slaves were never treated for the trauma of losing their homes; seeing relatives whipped, raped and killed; and being subjugated by whites.

Because African Americans as a class never got a chance to heal and today still face racism, oppression and societal inequality, they suffer from multigenerational trauma, says DeGruy-Leary, who is African American. Self-destructive, violent or aggressive behavior often results, she says.

Noting the theory has not been proven or ever offered in court, Washington County Circuit Judge Nancy W. Campbell recently threw out DeGruy-Leary's pretrial testimony.

But the judge said she would reconsider the defense for Bynum's September trial if his lawyer can show the slave theory is an accepted mental disorder with a valid scientific basis and specifically applies to this case.

"I think it can be proven," the court-appointed Vogt said after Campbell's ruling. "The problem is it's brand new. It's not as easy to present in court as something that's been established over years."

Murder-by-abuse, punishable by life in prison with 25 years before possible parole, means the victim suffered from a pattern of assaults. An autopsy found Ryshawn Bynum died of a brain injury and had a broken neck, broken ribs and as many as 70 whip marks on his legs, buttocks, back and chest that were of various ages.

Bynum told police he hit his son with a watch strap during potty-training. He said the day before the boy died, he was playing "helicopter," swinging his son around the room, when the boy hit his head on a table.

"He had a traditional, Southern, small-town, working-class upbringing where 'whuppin' was accepted," Vogt said. "Whether that was abusive or not, that is in the eye of the beholder. He was raised differently than your typical kid in Beaverton."

Experts disagree on whether post traumatic slave syndrome can be proven, much less accepted in legal arenas. It took 50 years for society and the courts to accept post traumatic stress syndrome, a diagnosis for someone who has experienced or witnessed an extraordinary event that involves actual or threatened death or serious injury. It is only diagnosed when functioning is severely impaired.

The judge also said the defense would have to show Bynum, who grew up in Mississippi, has slave syndrome. At the time of her testimony, DeGruy-Leary had not interviewed him.

Besides a doctorate in social work research, DeGruy-Leary has a master's degree in clinical psychology. She said she can offer counseling but is not licensed to diagnose anyone.

"Post traumatic slave syndrome is rather unique; it's not that everybody has it," DeGruy-Leary testified. "If you are African American and you are living in America, you have been impacted."

Under cross-examination by Robert Hull, Washington County senior deputy district attorney, DeGruy-Leary viewed Ryshawn Bynum's autopsy photos.

Calling the boy's injuries excessive, DeGruy-Leary said she would have reported them. But in the African American culture, such discipline "is extremely common," she said. "It falls in the rubric of what they think is normal."

A Los Angeles native, DeGruy-Leary has been working on the theory for two decades and said she is still a year from publishing a book on it. She coined the name in her 2001 dissertation on African American male youth violence.

She said she thinks post traumatic slave syndrome can be proven scientifically once the politics of race are set aside and the white research establishment takes time to study it.

"It's not a conversation that America wants to have," DeGruy-Leary said. "It's so ugly; it's so blatant."

Questioning the science

William E. Narrow, a psychiatrist who serves as associate director of research on the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, said he had never heard of post traumatic slave syndrome and no one has proposed that it be included in the book's next edition.

Published by the American Psychiatric Association, the "DSM" is a courtroom bible. Judge Campbell said that if post traumatic slave disorder were in the DSM, she would consider it more favorably.

Narrow said the fifth edition of the diagnostic manual probably won't be published until 2012. In the meantime, researchers are testing new disorders for possible inclusion.

"To say that everybody in a particular racial or ethnic group has a diagnosis, I don't think it falls under what we do," Narrow said. "We have enough trouble as it is with people saying we are trying to make everybody mentally ill without trying to include something like that."

Alberto M. Goldwaser, a clinical and forensic psychiatrist, has testified as an expert in about 20 court cases across the country involving post traumatic stress, including murders.

"Maybe it's a social phenomenon and not a clinical phenomenon," he said in an interview from his Paramus, N.J., office, noting that he had never heard of post traumatic slave syndrome.

Because no African American today has been a slave, Goldwaser called the theory "such a stretch." He said he didn't think it would ever be accepted in court.

Alvin F. Poussaint, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and an expert on race relations in the United States, outlined his version of post traumatic slave syndrome in the 2000 book "Lay My Burden Down."

"It is a legacy where blacks were beaten a lot and lived in terror that they could be killed at will," Poussaint said from his Boston office.

"That type of trauma gets passed on for generations" in an entire group, he said. "But in a one-on-one case, these things are hard to prove."

Although DeGruy-Leary's theory could be "viable to educate the public, I don't know about in a court of law," Poussaint said.

"Lawyers try everything; they might as well put it out."

Holly Danks: 503-221-4377; hollydanks@news.oregonian.com
 
Lawyers........without them, we might acutally have a working judicial system.
 
KIM & Chris -- we do have a working judicial system.

the judge threw out the junk science, didn't he?
 

and who came up with the junk science in the first place? not the lawyer"

The slave theory is the work of Joy DeGruy-Leary, an assistant professor in the Portland State University Graduate School of Social Work. It is not listed by psychiatrists or the courts as an accepted disorder, and some experts said they had never heard of it.
 
Originally posted by Briar Rose 7457
and who came up with the junk science in the first place? not the lawyer"
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:wave: Hi there! Check your PM box, please..;)

Ummm...before we jump all over the lawyer in this case, we need to remember that it is his or her JOB to defend their client to the best of their ability - regardless of whether or not we agree with their means of doing so..::yes::
 
Originally posted by C.Ann
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:wave: Hi there! Check your PM box, please..;)

Ummm...before we jump all over the lawyer in this case, we need to remember that it is his or her JOB to defend their client to the best of their ability - regardless of whether or not we agree with their means of doing so..::yes::

While that may be true, this sounds like an advanced case of "my dog ate my homework".
 
Originally posted by C.Ann
Ummm...before we jump all over the lawyer in this case, we need to remember that it is his or her JOB to defend their client to the best of their ability - regardless of whether or not we agree with their means of doing so..::yes::

Well, maybe.

But I guess what bugs me is the money and time that was wasted on the way to the judge who threw out the case.

Where was the attitude that this was an insult when it was first brought to the lawyer? Wouldn't it be great if the lawyer said, "That's ridiculous, an insult to intelligence and an insult to people who were truly tramatized by this" (100 years ago or so :rolleyes: )

No he/she said, "Okay, let's try it, see if it works." And that's the farce of our judicial system. Let's try anything. Let's see what we can get away with.
 
that's why we havejudges and a "test" for evidence -- you have a preliminary hearing to dtermine if the evidence is science or junk science -- if it's junk science, the jury never hears it.

the judge here took one whiff...I'd hazard a guess the defendant in this matter will be seeking a plea bargain, thus saving us all the aggravation and expense of a trial.
 
I believe that Joy DeGruy-Leary is trying to sell a large load of BS. I hope no one is buying it. I also think it is an insult to those that were slaves or the children of slaves. Did they ever use such an excuse? Then how can anyone in this day and age? Puh-lease!
 
This sort of reminds me of a story I caught on TV where a African-American man (can't recall his name) was trying to make a case where AA's were exempt from paying Federal income tax because of something that happened around the turn of century.

Anyone else here that story?
 
Originally posted by Briar Rose 7457
that's why we havejudges and a "test" for evidence -- you have a preliminary hearing to dtermine if the evidence is science or junk science -- if it's junk science, the jury never hears it.

the judge here took one whiff...I'd hazard a guess the defendant in this matter will be seeking a plea bargain, thus saving us all the aggravation and expense of a trial.

I guess what I'm trying to say BR, is why didn't the lawyer take one whiff and say forget it? That's one of the problems with some lawyers today. IMO, he/she should have walked from that idea.
 
Hmmmm.....So when a white person beats there child is is because of all the years their ancestor's beat their slaves? My African American neighbors think this is one of the dumbest things they have heard!! They think the father needs to go to jail and the lawyer is full of it. They said it is a lame excuse for beating a child and the father is just upset because he will have to suffer the consequences of killing his child. Not that he is upset about the child dying, just that he is upset he was caught!
 
Originally posted by Briar Rose 7457
I guess, CBR, because there are idiots in every profession.

LOL, amen to that!
 














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