A couple things to ponder. . .
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Ok everyone settle down.
Remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion. SOmetimes we become passionate about our beliefs, and we should all thank our lucky stars that we are in a place where we can do so.
I want everyone to take a deep breathe here. To think before you type, and to remeber that whether you agree or disagree with this war, those soldiers and their families deserve our respect and our support. They are fighting for our freedom and those of others to be able to say what is being said here.
Please, do not make this a personal thing against anyone, because of their opinions.
Remember that everyone is entitled to their opinion. SOmetimes we become passionate about our beliefs, and we should all thank our lucky stars that we are in a place where we can do so.
I want everyone to take a deep breathe here. To think before you type, and to remeber that whether you agree or disagree with this war, those soldiers and their families deserve our respect and our support. They are fighting for our freedom and those of others to be able to say what is being said here.
Please, do not make this a personal thing against anyone, because of their opinions.
Goofyposter
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Serena!
You just won the Golden Goof Award for Today!...Very WELL SAID!
Passions are understandably high in this matter.....perhaps we'd all do well to try to focus on the news...supporting our nations' leaders...supporting our troops, allies...and the families of all those involved....while preparing to show the world one of the things that is so great about being american......preparing to helping the poor oppressed citizens of Iraq once this is all over - to not only rebuild their nation...but to rebuild a future for them (something they have not had in a loooong while).
In time....history will determine what was what....our actions if honorable will be borne out.....if we can agreeably disagree that's wonderful....but we must all be sensitive to each other's feelings....This includes that once you read something that makes your eyebrows wrinkle...we should all take a 5 minute break before responsing...to reflect on our own feelings...and to assess our comptemplated retort for sensitivity!
just my own goofy thoughts
{{{{HUGS}}}} to All
Miss Jasmine
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That may be...but I feel bad for the people who have loved ones over there who had to read some of the things on this thread. 
as do I miss Jasmine, but to take away someone's right to say what they think would make us no better than those we are fighting. It is not in what is being said, but how it is said. We really need to step back and think. We need to not make blanket statements, and we need to take respect eachother, no matter how much we disagree.
We are lucky. Think of those families just like ours in Baghdad right now. People who want the freedom and who want to escape the city, but fear for their lives. Do you really think that their own army would let them walk away? Damned if you dio and damned if you don't.
Right now we need to support, our troops, their families and eachother, not fight and disrespect.
We are lucky. Think of those families just like ours in Baghdad right now. People who want the freedom and who want to escape the city, but fear for their lives. Do you really think that their own army would let them walk away? Damned if you dio and damned if you don't.
Right now we need to support, our troops, their families and eachother, not fight and disrespect.
Miss Jasmine
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Oh I don't want any one censored. I wasn't saying that all.
Respect is a two way street ya know.
Respect is a two way street ya know.
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{{Standing up and clapping for dixiegirl's post}} Well said. Unless anyone here has been in on the meetings at the White House and the Pentagon, you do not have all the facts. None of us does and as well we shouldn't. All we have is what the officials choose to tell us and then what the media chooses to speculate on. The folks "in the know" are not going to release all the facts for (duh) security reasons.
Reminds me of growing up with my AF Dad whenever we'd ask where he was going and what he was doing. His response would be "Well, I could tell ya, but then I'd have to kill ya and that would just make your mother mad!"
God Bless our troops and The United States of America.
"United we stand. Divided we fall."
Reminds me of growing up with my AF Dad whenever we'd ask where he was going and what he was doing. His response would be "Well, I could tell ya, but then I'd have to kill ya and that would just make your mother mad!"
God Bless our troops and The United States of America.
"United we stand. Divided we fall."
ToriLammy
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The 48 hours was notice for people in Iraq (reporters and the like) to get the heck out of town.
What's with the sitting duck stuff? Do you really believe our forces are totally defenseless? Saddam's WMD are hidden, they are not like some of ours which are sitting in silos in the midwest. With the spy technology we have today when he takes them out of hidding we will know. Even our bombers sometimes take hours to load properly since they don't normally sit on a runway with bombs on them. Having served in the military I can say that I don't believe our troops are sitting ducks for anyone.
By the way the news is reporting this morning that 5 missiles were fired at US troops - no injuries, no deaths. Hardly defenseless in my opinion.
Tori
Precisely why I've kept my mouth shut so far. I cannot even fathom what it must be like to have a spouse or a child or a brother or sister over there right now. That doesn't change my mind from a political standpoint, but it certainly does from a humane standpoint. The worst tragedy would be for these soldiers to be met with the same sort of venom our soldiers in Vietnam experienced when they returned home.
I've adamantly opposed this war until last night, now I am resigned and stand behind our troops. I pray that their families find them home safely and swiftly.
Dixiegirl said all the words I would have if I were not so emotional over this right now! You go girl!
I worked for the DOD during Desert Storm & it is true that we (the public) do not know the half of it for security reasons. Ignorance surely can be bliss!
I worked for the DOD during Desert Storm & it is true that we (the public) do not know the half of it for security reasons. Ignorance surely can be bliss!
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What is this war really about; I would hope the liberation of Iraq from Saddam, to put WMD out of commission, to have a peaceful life. I realize that emotions are flying high right now and what one says may be different from what one means. Is President Bush right? I dont know but I respect him for taking a stand. As far as I am concerned this war will not increase the risk of terrorism in the USA the risk was always there, sad but true.
I am Canadian and our Prime Minister has said that we will not be entering the war with the US unless the UN agrees to enter. I really do not know how I feel about this but part of me feels that we turned our backs on our brothers when they most needed us. Ive heard a lot of American Bashing over the years, how the USA is the policing body of the world and sticks their noses in maters that do not concern them. Maybe, maybe not? But I ask you this, what country always leads the way to lend their support others, including their enemies in time of need? Who was there during the Chernobyl Nuclear disaster, who was there to rebuild Europe after WW2, who was there to lend financial aid to hundreds of countries during their time of need Old Glory, The USA. I could go on and on with the number of wonderful help provided by your county please remember them.
Bush a liar, I dont think so. The man is surrounded by an intelligent staff and a wealth of information. What if he did nothing, was positive that Saddam had WMD, but did nothing, what if he questioned what he knew in his heart and mind?
God have mercy on the man who doubts what he's sure of - a quote from someone the both us are fans off.
Finally, I realize that this is a long post but please read the following from Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian written in 1973 as the US was withdrawing from Vietnam.
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most
generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out
of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars
and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the United States.
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who
propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries
in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
tornadoes. Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about
the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so,
why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia
fly American Planes?
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on
the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not
once, but several times-and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store
window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our
streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced
to the Americans in trouble?
I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned
tired of hearing them get kicked around.
They will come out of this thing with their flag high.
And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that
are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."
Stand proud, America!
God bless America and the World
I am Canadian and our Prime Minister has said that we will not be entering the war with the US unless the UN agrees to enter. I really do not know how I feel about this but part of me feels that we turned our backs on our brothers when they most needed us. Ive heard a lot of American Bashing over the years, how the USA is the policing body of the world and sticks their noses in maters that do not concern them. Maybe, maybe not? But I ask you this, what country always leads the way to lend their support others, including their enemies in time of need? Who was there during the Chernobyl Nuclear disaster, who was there to rebuild Europe after WW2, who was there to lend financial aid to hundreds of countries during their time of need Old Glory, The USA. I could go on and on with the number of wonderful help provided by your county please remember them.
Bush a liar, I dont think so. The man is surrounded by an intelligent staff and a wealth of information. What if he did nothing, was positive that Saddam had WMD, but did nothing, what if he questioned what he knew in his heart and mind?
God have mercy on the man who doubts what he's sure of - a quote from someone the both us are fans off.
Finally, I realize that this is a long post but please read the following from Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian written in 1973 as the US was withdrawing from Vietnam.
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most
generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out
of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars
and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the United States.
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who
propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the
streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries
in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by
tornadoes. Nobody helped.
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into
discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about
the decadent, warmongering Americans.
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the
erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so,
why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia
fly American Planes?
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on
the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon-not
once, but several times-and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store
window for everybody to look at.
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our
streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are
getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through
age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody
loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced
to the Americans in trouble?
I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned
tired of hearing them get kicked around.
They will come out of this thing with their flag high.
And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that
are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
those."
Stand proud, America!
God bless America and the World
No matter what one's personal beilief about the war is, not only should we stand together as a united front for our president and troops, but especially on the DIS, we should stand together for
THE FAMILY ON THE DIS!!
There are too many DIS friends who have loved ones over there right now. I would feel ashamed if I wrote a post at this time that hurt on the the family members. They are going through enough right now without me adding to it.
THE FAMILY ON THE DIS!!
There are too many DIS friends who have loved ones over there right now. I would feel ashamed if I wrote a post at this time that hurt on the the family members. They are going through enough right now without me adding to it.
CathyCanada
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As much as I hate to do this, I am shutting this down. Emotions are raw right now, people are afraid, in shock, angry, sad, so many different feelings....
I would really like to think that the Community Board is a safe place to come to. I understand people need to talk about the war and their feelings, but since this is really developing into a debate and is better suited to the Debate Board, I will respectfully ask Will to repost it there? I can understand all of your feelings (well as much as a Canadian can) and I respect each and every one of you and your feelings. Like Will, I am not pro-war, but I don't know what the answer to this is.
I think I can, in all good faith, say that the one thing that everyone has in common is a hope for all the service men and women serving their country to come home safe and for this to be over quickly.
May God have mercy on everyone involved.
CC
I would really like to think that the Community Board is a safe place to come to. I understand people need to talk about the war and their feelings, but since this is really developing into a debate and is better suited to the Debate Board, I will respectfully ask Will to repost it there? I can understand all of your feelings (well as much as a Canadian can) and I respect each and every one of you and your feelings. Like Will, I am not pro-war, but I don't know what the answer to this is.
I think I can, in all good faith, say that the one thing that everyone has in common is a hope for all the service men and women serving their country to come home safe and for this to be over quickly.
May God have mercy on everyone involved.
CC
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