98/95 cruises vs test cruises

[TiggerBouncy]

If DCL decided to go a different route with the Fantasy and get the ship certified as a 95% compliant ship, then they could do 7-day sailings without all the extra masks and social distancing rules, but again would be requiring everyone on the ship to be vaccinated. That's pretty hard to do given Disney's demographic of families and no American under the age of 12 is even eligible for a vaccine yet.

And they would have to sail her from another state instead of Florida assuming the law doesn’t get dropped, right?

 

[kathi]

There is much debate among legal authorities regarding Florida's ability to dictate anything to cruise lines. Also, Celebrity is sailing the Edge out of Port Everglades, starting on June 26th, with 100% vaccinated passengers and crew. They are playing chicken with the FL law and I am eagerly awaiting who blinks first. Carnival Mardi Gras came into Port Canaveral today and the CEO of Carnival said this morning on the news that they will require vaccinations. It seems pretty clear that the cruise lines have determined FL does not have standing.

 

[jrapps]

And they would have to sail her from another state instead of Florida assuming the law doesn’t get dropped, right?

Well...my opinion on that matter are there are options around that law, but as a rule yes, it would be an obstacle. I doubt it would come to that since DCL wouldn't sail without kids.

 

[DCLMP]

They can ask all day long according to the law.

They cannot require you to prove you have been vaccinated so you can just lie when they ask.

He is talking a big talk but when billion-dollar businesses tell him to get stuffed, he will blink. He's not going to tank the Florida economy.

Florida has not tanked without the cruise industry.

 

[DCLMP]

There is much debate among legal authorities regarding Florida's ability to dictate anything to cruise lines. Also, Celebrity is sailing the Edge out of Port Everglades, starting on June 26th, with 100% vaccinated passengers and crew. They are playing chicken with the FL law and I am eagerly awaiting who blinks first. Carnival Mardi Gras came into Port Canaveral today and the CEO of Carnival said this morning on the news that they will require vaccinations. It seems pretty clear that the cruise lines have determined FL does not have standing.

Im not so sure about that.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article251909713.html
If this isn’t fake news. It look like no vaccines on Royal.

 

[Cheburashka]

Can customers show up and volunteer that they wish to show proof and pay to take the cruise because a 95% vaccinated cruise interests them? They like the sound of that cruise, they are volunteering proof of vaccination. Nobody asked them, they are seeking it out. Don’t they have rights too?

According to Florida law, not if it infringes on the rights of the unvaccinated to take that cruise. Similarly, customers can't just say, "We're happy to sail on a whites-only cruise, so since we're customers making the request and not the business owner, it's not discrimination. What about our rights to take a whites-only cruise if we want to?"

The Florida law makes people who decline vaccination into a protected class that cannot legally be discriminated against. Whether you agree with that or not, that's what the law does, and that's why customers can't just circumvent the law in the way you describe.

 

[Sykes]

The Florida law makes people who decline vaccination into a protected class that cannot legally be discriminated against. Whether you agree with that or not, that's what the law does, and that's why customers can't just circumvent the law in the way you describe.

That's not what it does at all. Have you even read it? A business owner can still tell people who aren't vaccinated that they aren't welcome on the property. The only thing that the Florida law does is say that a business owner can't ask for documentation that proves vaccination. In the proceeding scenario, an unvaccinated individual would still be trespassing, and the business owner could still kick them out if they somehow found out that they were unvaccinated.

In no state are unvaccinated individuals a protected class.

 

[Cheburashka]

A business owner can still tell people who aren't vaccinated that they aren't welcome on the property. The only thing that the Florida law does is say that a business owner can't ask for documentation that proves vaccination.

The business owner would have no way of knowing who was unvaccinated without asking for documentation of vaccination, so that example doesn't hold water.

 

[Sykes]

The business owner would have no way of knowing who was unvaccinated without asking for documentation of vaccination, so that example doesn't hold water.

That's very different than someone being a protected class. Saying that someone could knowingly trespass on a business's property because they're unvaccinated but don't admit it is very different from saying that it is illegal to ban them in the first place.