8/17/08 Captain Jack's Repossession Repo Cruise to PC thru TPC #8

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GEEK TALK WARNING

Reminds me of one time many years ago I was at the comedy club at Pleasure Island - and they did a song number all about Disney as a sinkhole for your money.

Now I'm rather fond of Disney and DCL, and I think they are particularly good at spending money effectively to help us have a good time, and at getting us to enjoy them picking our pockets. But no matter how much fun I'm having, I'm not ignorant of the underlying financial issues....

So I would tend to look at it this way. There are three possibilities:
1. They were not succesful at building the site they wanted (by most statistics some 50% of software projects fail to meet their goals, so this is not at all unlikely).
2. They made a calculated decision that to build a site able to handle the sudden surges would cost more than the benefit of good PR and good user experience.
3. Some combination of the two.

Personally, I'd pick #1 because in my experience one should never assign to malice or lack of caring what can be explained through chaos, incompetence or lack of foresight. The latter are far more common.



This is an excellent idea. I'd modify it slightly to say that you have to get your choices in 24-48 hours before the deadline (to give them time to do the assignments). It would go a long way to solving the problem. I suggest that anyone who knows anyone at DCL should forward this suggestion to them.

Hey! Don't ruin my PO'ed as DCL mood with logic, facts and figures!

It may also be a product of the Just In Time ordering society that we have become. DCL may experience more problems because they only have 2 ships and while the Wonder stuff is largely fixed, the Magic special itineraries are more "one time" adventures and arranged on shorter notice. The other cruise lines may stop at Cartegena 10x or 20x in a year, DCL, once ever. So DCL is setting stuff up later, less fixed routine and therefore needs the 105 day or less booking window. On other lines you book excusions with trip....
 
And a whole lot of posts dedicated to a certain unnamed sk8ingmom stirring up trouble with people on other threads and here and....

Yes, Tom does not want to name any names....but her initials are sk8ing-mom.
 
See...

... Dan did NOT single ME out as the problem. SO I must be INNOCENT!

I gotta go get my "chores" and business obligations handled now. Plus in 3 hours we're getting the kids out to the post office for their passports.... oops ... just got a call from Alicia and the schedule is too tight for both of us so we're pushing that to thursday - or friday.

Anyone wanna confirm how long it's taking to process these passport renewals? I heard it was under 45 days with normal processing now.

Adios folks! Have a good day now... or else!!!!

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Remember you cannot technically renew a childs passport. You have to apply for a new one.
I received the girls passport in 9 days.
 
Yes, Tom does not want to name any names....but her initials are sk8ing-mom.

I would say Just ask stace, but I don't want to name any one who could corroborate either.....
 

Hello all! I've heard so much about many of you via my DH, but I'm finally deciding to come out of my isolation and be social as our trip is getting closer and closer!
 
Where and how are we putting our excursions on the Pirate site?
 
Hello all! I've heard so much about many of you via my DH, but I'm finally deciding to come out of my isolation and be social as our trip is getting closer and closer!

Glad to have you ....I am sure he has mentioned all the NICE things about us ....and your DH is ??? LOL


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M? Sweet Lil' M? Nah... :sad2:

She's the second most INNOCENT person here.

:rotfl2:

I'm just passing through while I wipe the sweat from my brow. I'm done with this manual labor thing for now... or until it gets to dusk.

Oh well... so now M is more INNOCENT then Cheryl and Andrew now?

< shifty silence as my eyes dart left and right >​
 
Hello all! I've heard so much about many of you via my DH, but I'm finally deciding to come out of my isolation and be social as our trip is getting closer and closer!

Hello! Is this Lori, by chance?
 
Hello all! I've heard so much about many of you via my DH, but I'm finally deciding to come out of my isolation and be social as our trip is getting closer and closer!

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Clearly your spouse must have been referrin' to INNOCENT ol' ME. And certainly not the Demon Piglet or that wanderin' Time Lord, right?

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Glad to have you ....I am sure he has mentioned all the NICE things about us ....and your DH is ??? LOL


pirate:

I'm not certain, but guessing from her userid....maybe she is CBJHockeynut's DW. :confused3
 
I TRIED to tell people here that they ABSOLUTELY HAD TO hit "submit" if they really, really wanted something!! Too bad they didn't follow the thread!!

Thanks again for your words of wisdom!!:worship: Submit is one powerful word when it comes to booking!!:lmao: :lmao:



Here is a really dumb idea. Open up booking when you actually have someone working, like 8 a.m.?

That would be too smart and too easy!!:rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Then eliminate the on-line carp and do it via phone.

The bottom line is DCL has cheaped this. They are aware of the problem and have been since 2005 at least and refuse to improve the system either from an IT or customer service perspective. We are money in the bank to them and they don't care!

Rant over!

And we will still go back for more abuse the next time!!:rolleyes1

Pretty much the same story, except I was screaming obscenities at the screen that was telling me that I was not paid in full.

You screaming obscenities!!!:scared1: :scared1: My whole imagine of you just changed!!:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That sounds liek something I would do. :laughing: DH is the diplomat in our house! :rotfl:
Once at the Electric company (back when we only had 1 to choose from.....) dh stepped between me and the Electric Co employee -- he told me that he prefers to live in a house WITH electricity. ;)

Oh....we are so two peas in a pod!!:thumbsup2 That is why we like each other so much. It is like looking in a mirror.:laughing: :laughing:

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I tried that, but the 'print friendly' output was more like 'fiendly' and I only got half a page.

I then emailed my rezzie to myself, and printed from that ;)

Maybe we can start a 'Friends of "Hassle Free" opossum' club onboard.

Andy

That "print friendly" was harder to do than booking my excursions.:mad: It took us longer to make a copy than to book my 6 excursions.:sad2:

M? Sweet Lil' M? Nah... :sad2:

She's the second most INNOCENT person here.

:rotfl2:

:rolleyes1 :rolleyes1 No comment!!
 
In other news.... I noted to DH last night that the west coasters seemed to be having good luck and the east coast was toast. He commented that most people don't know there are really two internets. AT&T has a network, and Sprint has a network. The number of pipes between the two is limited. And, guess what, AT&T is primiarily in the west, and Sprint is primarily in the east. So, if the DCL servers are in LA (which would make sense) then the west coasters would be on the same internet backbone, while the east coasters wouldn't. This may explain some (though not all) of the problem last night.

For those who are interested, here's a quick tutorial/speculation on why the DCL servers had such problems last night, and why "fixing it" is a harder problem than you might expect.....

Ultimately, the DCL web site is just a piece of software running on one or more computers. Like any computer, the more applications you try to run, the slower the machine runs.

We can speculate/guess on what a normal load is for the DCL web site.

DCL has about 5000 guests/week (2 ships @2500 each - the wonder running 2 cruises/week offsets the fact that much of the year the ships don't run full).

Call that 260,000 passengers/year.

Not all of those passengers visit the web site (usually one books for the family, but then some have TA's also). Let's say 130,000 passengers on the site/year.

Each one visits the site multiple times, and there are also many people who visit the site who don't book. So let's multiply that by 15 to take that into account. 1.95 million visits/year.

Each visit runs about 8 pages (Alexa ranking), which is 15.6 million page views/year.

That comes down to about 30 page views/minute, or one every 2 seconds.

A powerful server can handle that pretty easily. There's no way to really know how many servers they have, but they probably aren't running a large server farm. Maybe 2-3 machines? All talking to a database backend which is probably something of enterprise grade (Oracle?) and shared with their main reservation system.

So, yesterday night you have about 1800 repeat guests, plus those on the Wonder. Not all of them were trying to book - let's assume there were 250 of us. At 12:01 you had a surge - 250 requests/second. And most of these were heavy requests (logins, reservation lookups, excursion database lookups, etc.). It's not unreasonable to think that the instantaneous load was 500x normal. It's virtually certain that it was at least 100x normal.

So, if you're Disney, what do you do? Do you run a server farm of 100 machines where 98 of them will be idle except for a 3 hour period once in a rare while? Obviously not.

What you do (hopefully) is do some load testing, and add error-checking to your software so that:
A - Errors don't corrupt your database (aka, people start losing confirmed excursions or reservations, people start getting info from other people's reservations, etc.)
B - When errors do occur (timeouts, conflicts, etc) the server dumps connections but doesn't die completely.

I know it's frustrating (I spent almost 3 hours online and ended up having to log in through a remote connection because my machines were completely locked out). But at the same time, it's important I think for people to realize that "fixing the system" isn't a matter of calling a handyman over for a few hours and doing something obvious. Building systems that can handle sudden surges in traffic is a VERY tough problem even if you can anticipate them.

The good news is - things should get better with two new ships coming in. Assuming the DCL IT folks aren't stupid, they know they'll have to scale up for higher average traffic with two new ships. That will also make them better able to handle the surges from one or two cruises. They may also get really smart and build some new systems based on the new computational cloud services that are becoming available (which make it easier to quickly bring on extra capacity).

Ok, enough of lecture mode. I just ran some numbers out of curiousity and in order to avoid doing any real work. It's just that even though I feel the pain of those who didn't get everything they wanted (including my own pain on that score), I think it's important to realize that the DCL folk aren't being negligent or stupid on this. They really are dealing with some extraordinarily complex problems, and the problems we are hearing (being bounced out, missing brunch reservations) are NOTHING compared to the kinds of problems that are possible (scrambled/lost reservations, passengers getting lost or transferred between reservations), etc. - And that those messages we're getting about reservations being locked are not the results of stupidity or carelessness, but rather a sign of the application protecting you from those much worse possibilities.

Faster machines definitely help - and I expect things are getting better though it's hard for us to see from our limited perspective.

Of these ideas, splitting the CC Palo, Excursions and Spa would help somewhat - in that you'd reduce the total number of reservations that people are attempting to book on a given evening. Still, most people want at least one of each, so what you'd get is almost the same number of peak visits at 12:01 on each of the nights. It's just the duration of the slow down would be less, as people would get their reservations or give up sooner. In other words - we'd all be going nuts (same thing) at 12:01, but the system would speed up much sooner than it did last night.
From a marketing perspective, my guess is that having three very frustrating nights is worse than one very frustrating night.

Having additional backup servers might help - if that's the main bottleneck. But I think the real bottleneck is talking to their database system (I think that's what is happening while Micky is swimming). And that's much harder to split across multiple machines. To see why, let's say they have 20 spots for Palo Brunch. If you have one database on one machine, it's pretty easy to keep track of those reservations. If you have two machines, and each one has a copy of the database (which is what you need to improve performance), how do you coordinate the two machines to prevent them from issuing 40 spots? Well, they have to communicate with each other to stay synchronized, and in doing so you lose much of the benefit of running the databse on two machines! Ouch!

It's a tough problem.

Very Very interesting...

Here is another novel idea.
At some point at say 120 days out allow access to an online list of excursions with times for each port. You get to pick, and set your priority 1st,2nd & 3rd choice. When you pay in full or at say 90 day mark, they activate your choices and whatever you chose that is available gets booked. This way there is no strain on the computer system. They could then open the system up for changes or add-ons.

Me like - that is pretty much what I do. I save the top 3 excursions I wish to do in each port to my Favorites and choose from those.

" If it weren't for bad luck...we'd have no luck at all........"

Heck i don't even play bingo on ship cause i'd never win... Better off drinking the money i would have played with... :rolleyes1

Me either. Let's meet for cocktails while everyone else is playing bingo!

I will join too!

I tried that, but the 'print friendly' output was more like 'fiendly' and I only got half a page.

I then emailed my rezzie to myself, and printed from that ;)

Maybe we can start a 'Friends of "Hassle Free" opossum' club onboard.

Andy

Happened to me too - Glad to hear I am not crazy!
 
Ahhhh....so we all get to guess which DH you all have been talking to for so long and it's my first time :) he he....... I would be Mrs. Joel110
 
Hello all! I've heard so much about many of you via my DH, but I'm finally deciding to come out of my isolation and be social as our trip is getting closer and closer!

Welcome!


Anyone get a room assignment?

I heard that people were getting room assignments...





...so I went to DCL to check...




...Mickey did his little swimming thing...




...and guess what i saw...






GTY.



Big flippin' surprise. I'm sure I will be sailing in the lifeboats.

Actually, I have a cabin, it's Linda who will be in the lifeboat.:rotfl:

(When you read this, remember i love you! :hug: )
 
Tom -
Brunch for me is showing for tables of 3-4 only. 1-2 is not available...

The only time I get is Sat Aug 30 at 10:30 which happens to be the day and time of our own ressie. Everything else is full. This makes me think that the brunches are, indeed gone, and the only reason I can see anything is to allow me to manage my own ressie.

This would make sense, and explain why folks with ressies can see "availability" what they are seeing is their own ressie - in case they want to cancel.


In other news.... I noted to DH last night that the west coasters seemed to be having good luck and the east coast was toast. He commented that most people don't know there are really two internets. AT&T has a network, and Sprint has a network. The number of pipes between the two is limited. And, guess what, AT&T is primiarily in the west, and Sprint is primarily in the east. So, if the DCL servers are in LA (which would make sense) then the west coasters would be on the same internet backbone, while the east coasters wouldn't. This may explain some (though not all) of the problem last night.
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Hmmm...I am East Coast, and though I had issues, I had to constantly relogin until I got in, then got booted the first time I had brunch, I did manage to get brunch, tea, and dinner. We have fios internet if that makes any difference. I was on a wireless network connection too.
 
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