75 employees laid off at Pixar, including the director of Lightyear

[PolymerSkywalker]

I'm not sure I would even count Uncharted or D&D tbh. Both are based on stablished franchises.

But every idea comes from somewhere. A book, a comic book, a board game, a video game, a legend told down through time. Something right?

Uncharted = video game first

D&D = board game first

Air = from the huge success of the ESPN "Last Dance" on air Jordan, showed the huge appetite for stuff about MJ

Elvis = based on the stories told about Elvis and even other Elvis movies

Cocaine Bear = based on a crazy news story with some real events


There are just very very few original ideas anymore, it seems.

 

[mdmost]

I'm not sure I would even count Uncharted or D&D tbh. Both are based on stablished franchises.

Sure but I think either could sneak by the average moviewatcher. Uncharted had Tom Holland & Mark Wahlberg, both pretty bankable commodities. I doubt many could tell it was based on a video game franchise. That's like getting people to watch The Last of Us. Sure, it's based on a video game but it's zombies and Pedro Pascal. Easy sell. D&D hasn't really been done as a franchise outside of a cartoon show from the 80s.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Sure but I think either could sneak by the average moviewatcher. Uncharted had Tom Holland & Mark Wahlberg, both pretty bankable commodities. I doubt many could tell it was based on a video game franchise. That's like getting people to watch The Last of Us. Sure, it's based on a video game but it's zombies and Pedro Pascal. Easy sell. D&D hasn't really been done as a franchise outside of a cartoon show from the 80s.

100% agree, I am not a gamer. I had no idea uncharted or the last of us was based off of video games until my 17 year old told me. Both were really well done by the way.

 

[starlite_]

Sure but I think either could sneak by the average moviewatcher. Uncharted had Tom Holland & Mark Wahlberg, both pretty bankable commodities. I doubt many could tell it was based on a video game franchise. That's like getting people to watch The Last of Us. Sure, it's based on a video game but it's zombies and Pedro Pascal. Easy sell. D&D hasn't really been done as a franchise outside of a cartoon show from the 80s.

I was thinking more Stranger Things having brought D&D into modern popularity. But yeah I agree, Uncharted is kinda subtle in that sense.

 

[BrianL]

Sure but I think either could sneak by the average moviewatcher. Uncharted had Tom Holland & Mark Wahlberg, both pretty bankable commodities. I doubt many could tell it was based on a video game franchise. That's like getting people to watch The Last of Us. Sure, it's based on a video game but it's zombies and Pedro Pascal. Easy sell. D&D hasn't really been done as a franchise outside of a cartoon show from the 80s.

That's not exactly true - There was a D&D Movie series that started with the 2000 release with Jeremy Irons. the other two were direct-to-video and came out a few yers later, but are intended to be follow-ups. It's hard to call it a franchise, but it was an attempt anyway. The first one is actually not bad, but the new one was better.

 

[Elijah Abrams]

I'm STILL waiting on a Bugs Life sequel!

Me too! I actually suggested A Bug's Life sequel in a different thread. It's been awhile since we've had an insects movie too.

The only issue with making a sequel to A Bug’s Life now is that some of the original film's cast has either passed away (like Phyllis Diller and Joe Ranft) and/or have grown up (Hayden Panittiere), although they can simply recast those actors' characters.

 

[irlandaise]

- Return as a company to being neutral politically, and make family friendly entertainment all families are comfortable with their children watching

And who decides which entertainment appeals to "all families"? Maybe some families are perfectly comfortable with movies that you aren't, and conversely would be uncomfortable with some that you like.

 

[Jwaire]

And who decides which entertainment appeals to "all families"? Maybe some families are perfectly comfortable with movies that you aren't, and conversely would be uncomfortable with some that you like.

For Disney, a for-profit company, the box office and streaming numbers.

 

[irlandaise]

And who decides which entertainment appeals to "all families"? Maybe some families are perfectly comfortable with movies that you aren't, and conversely would be uncomfortable with some that you like.

For Disney, a for-profit company, the box office and streaming numbers.

Good or bad numbers for ticket sales and streaming subscriptions only indicate whether an offering appeals to more or fewer people, not whether it appeals to "all families."

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

And who decides which entertainment appeals to "all families"? Maybe some families are perfectly comfortable with movies that you aren't, and conversely would be uncomfortable with some that.

it’s fine, continue to make the likes of Strange World, Lightyear, live action TLM, and Elemental and losing hundreds of millions of dollars then. That will really show those pesky traditional families. Your plan seems flawless.

I have another idea how about another season of She Hulk where she twerks again, that will really show us whose boss!

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

Good or bad numbers for ticket sales and streaming subscriptions only indicate whether an offering appeals to more or fewer people, not whether it appeals to "all families."

That’s just foolishness. The classics of the 90s appealed to everyone, and everyone loved them. Tell me what you find offensive in the original, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, and Toy Story. I find it hard to believe anyone saw those movies as catering to any group. Why is wanting to return to that universally loved type of content, now a bad thing?

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

That’s just foolishness. The classics of the 90s appealed to everyone, and everyone loved them. Tell me what you find offensive in the original, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, and Toy Story. I find it hard to believe anyone saw those movies as catering to any group. Why is wanting to return to that universally loved type of content, now a bad thing?

Disney produced films that flopped during that period of time also though. I mean, do you remember Iron Will or Newsies?

Studios make films that flop sometimes. It’s part of the business.

 

[mdmost]

it’s fine, continue to make the likes of Strange World, Lightyear, live action TLM, and Elemental and losing hundreds of millions of dollars then. That will really show those pesky traditional families. Your plan seems flawless.

I have another idea how about another season of She Hulk where she twerks again, that will really show us whose boss!

Got it. Ignore the reality that gay people and mixed families exist. Don't have any female leads unless they're damsels in distress that need men to save them.

 

[mdmost]

Disney produced films that flopped during that period of time also though. I mean, do you remember Iron Will or Newsies?

Studios make films that flop sometimes. It’s part of the business.

Let's not forget the entire early 2000s for Disney that started after Tarzan and had very few hits like Lilo and Stitch and Chicken Little. Fantasia 2000, Dinosaur, Emperor's New Groove (yes, I get it was a cult hit), Atlantis The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Home on the Range, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt. It wasn't until Princess and the Frog that Disney Animation recovered and had hit after hit until Covid.

 

[Jwaire]

Let's not forget the entire early 2000s for Disney that started after Tarzan and had very few hits like Lilo and Stitch and Chicken Little. Fantasia 2000, Dinosaur, Emperor's New Groove (yes, I get it was a cult hit), Atlantis The Lost Empire, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Home on the Range, Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt. It wasn't until Princess and the Frog that Disney Animation recovered and had hit after hit until Covid.

It cost Eisner his job and the company billions of dollars. They came close to shuttering the entire animation studio over those films.

There are consequences. You can’t just keep making $200 million dollar flops.

Also, Princess and the Frog wasn’t a financial blockbuster. It was about on the level of The Great Mouse Detective. It cost them $100+ million to make plus millions more in marketing and distribution only to never to do another hand drawn animated film again. They ended up pulling it from theaters early.

Disney produced films that flopped during that period of time also though. I mean, do you remember Iron Will or Newsies?

Studios make films that flop sometimes. It’s part of the business.

Six flops in a row? I’m not a studio president, but that seems like a problem.

We’ll know soon enough when Iger shakes up Pixar.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Six flops in a row? I’m not a studio president, but that seems like a problem.

We’ll know soon enough when Iger shakes up Pixar.

You are putting Turning Red and Soul in the “flop” category?

 

[BrianL]

You are putting Turning Red and Soul in the “flop” category?

Yes, again, the ones that went straight to D+ cannot be classified as "flops" - they never had a chance, and that's not Pixar's fault. Also, Luca, which is a shame because that one is so good! It really was a mistake to put them all on streaming only.

 

[starlite_]

Yes, again, the ones that went straight to D+ cannot be classified as "flops" - they never had a chance, and that's not Pixar's fault. Also, Luca, which is a shame because that one is so good! It really was a mistake to put them all on streaming only.

Luca is soo good!

 

[starlite_]

"Traditional families" Don't you love it when bppl tell you exactly who they are? They try to be sneaky, like getting concerned about Disney's bottom line and then poof! The real reason comes up!

 

[BrianL]

Luca is soo good!

It really surprised me. I wasn't expecting to like it that much, but it's really great!