7 Dwarves Mine Train totally underwhelming

[AuroraRora]

I would agree that I was underwhelmed - we usually won't wait more than 20mins on a ride and for this we agreed on 30, luckily at night we walked on it with a 10min wait just a few minutes before park closing. We rode it with FP+ a few times too and I'd say it was ok. It reminded me a lot of Thunder Mountain although I saw a lot of guests who seemed in love with the ride. I think it'll continue to be a headliner for years to come, although I would have preferred something bigger and scarier. Of course, with being in Fantasyland, that wasn't going to happen.

 

[goofyernmost]

Repeating something doesn't necessarily make it true. Country bear Jamboree, It's A Small World, Jungle Cruise and the Monorail were all "E" ticket rides at one point. They obviously aren't in today's world. So what definition or criteria are you applying to suggest that 7DMT ISN'T an E-ticket attraction? Just curious how you arrive at that conclusion?

That would probably be the same way the rest of you determine what an "E" ticket is. There is no definition as graphically shown by the facts that you mentioned about CBJ, IASW, JC and Monorail were considered E's at one point. Disney has not used that definition since they did away with the ride tickets. It is no longer valid and it certainly isn't classified. I've been going to WDW for 4 decades now and I don't know what an "E" ticket is officially. To me, if I like it and it is themed and it is popular, it's probably could be called an "E" ticket if such a thing even existed anymore. It doesn't, so why is everyone looking for one.

Go to the place and if one likes an attraction and it makes one feel better, then by all means, call it an "E". Just don't always count on everything being to one's own personal liking.

 

[BeachClub2014]

That would probably be the same way the rest of you determine what an "E" ticket is. There is no definition as graphically shown by the facts that you mentioned about CBJ, IASW, JC and Monorail were considered E's at one point. Disney has not used that definition since they did away with the ride tickets. It is no longer valid and it certainly isn't classified. I've been going to WDW for 4 decades now and I don't know what an "E" ticket is officially. To me, if I like it and it is themed and it is popular, it's probably could be called an "E" ticket if such a thing even existed anymore. It doesn't, so why is everyone looking for one.

Go to the place and if one likes an attraction and it makes one feel better, then by all means, call it an "E". Just don't always count on everything being to one's own personal liking.

Are you suggesting that I referred to the 7DMT as an E-Ticket attraction? I haven't suggested that it is, just the opposite in fact. The post you are quoting above was in response to a PP stating opinions as "indisputable facts", so I was interested to learn how he arrived at that conclusion. I did go to the attraction, it didn't make me feel better, it didn't make me feel worse. It actually didn't make me feel anything. All I have ever said about this ride is that I was underwhelmed by the experience, as have many other people here. I am not sure why people find that so disturbing?

 

[Davey Jones II]

I have to agree that 7DMT is underwhelming and basically a blinged out version of Thunder Mountain. It is awfully short as well. Right now I believe that the only reason the lines are ridiculously LONG, is because the ride is new and everyone wants to try it out for the first time. We were unable to get FP+ for it 60 days out. Of course we couldn't get it as our 4th FP+ either...silly us for thinking that we could. We waited 40 minutes for this ride only because it was new. We never wait more than 30 minutes for anything. We've got better things to do.

Anyway, eventually this ride won't be a novelty anymore. Then the lines will be short, because as OP said, it is "totally underwhelming."

No, you can't attribute its popularily solely to its newness. That just doesn't jibe with the history of new attractions.

For example, I was at DLR just a few months after Little Mermaid opened. It was a walk-on throughout my 6 day stay. We would literally just stroll into the queue and often board the clamshell within a minute. Yes it's an omnimover, but so is HM. Mansion often has a queue, over 45 years after it's grand opening.

Or look at Cars Land. It opened in 2012, which means its three rides opened at the same time. All three rides had long, long wait times at first; on my first trip there, I didn't even get to ride Luigi's because it always seemed to be at 50 minutes. Today? People still bolt to RSR at rope drop every morning, while Luigi's ride is closed and being replaced. All the rides are equally new/recent, but only one inspires a continued feeding frenzy.

Another example: I was at DHS when Star Tours: The Adventures Continue opened. TSMM was still, by far, the most popular ride in the park. The completely revamped Star Tours was brand new, while TSMM was three years old. It was no contest.

It's the attraction, it's not just the newness. All rides enjoy a burst of popularity when it first opens, but that quickly abates if the ride doesn't catch on as well as others. 7DMT opened about 15 months ago, and the frenzy continues.

 

[jodifla]

No, you can't attribute its popularily solely to its newness. That just doesn't jibe with the history of new attractions.

For example, I was at DLR just a few months after Little Mermaid opened. It was a walk-on throughout my 6 day stay. We would literally just stroll into the queue and often board the clamshell within a minute. Yes it's an omnimover, but so is HM. Mansion often has a queue, over 45 years after it's grand opening.

Or look at Cars Land. It opened in 2012, which means its three rides opened at the same time. All three rides had long, long wait times at first; on my first trip there, I didn't even get to ride Luigi's because it always seemed to be at 50 minutes. Today? People still bolt to RSR at rope drop every morning, while Luigi's ride is closed and being replaced. All the rides are equally new/recent, but only one inspires a continued feeding frenzy.

Another example: I was at DHS when Star Tours: The Adventures Continue opened. TSMM was still, by far, the most popular ride in the park. The completely revamped Star Tours was brand new, while TSMM was three years old. It was no contest.

It's the attraction, it's not just the newness. All rides enjoy a burst of popularity when it first opens, but that quickly abates if the ride doesn't catch on as well as others. 7DMT opened about 15 months ago, and the frenzy continues.

15 months isn't that long, and it's the only new ride at the Magic Kingdom in years.

It will be a secondary ride soon enough, whenever WDW decides to actually upgrade the MK.

 

[Davey Jones II]

Sorry, double post.

 

[Davey Jones II]

15 months isn't that long, and it's the only new ride at the Magic Kingdom in years.

It will be a secondary ride soon enough, whenever WDW decides to actually upgrade the MK.

Actually, it's not "the only new ride at the MK in years". Little Mermaid opened there recently. Yes it's a clone, but it's new to MK. Most WDW visitors don't also visit DLR, at least not on a regular basis. And Enchanted Tales with Belle is not a ride, but it is a new attraction with impressive AAs.

Unlike you, I don't know the future. It must be nice to have such a reliable crystal ball. But if you look at the history of new attractions, it is rare for a ride to open to a feeding frenzy for over a year, but then quickly diminish into unpopularity. I can't think of any examples. Can you?

Of course, it is likely to lose some of its momentum over time. That has happened to most headliners, including superstar attractions like Indiana Jones at Disneyland, Space Mountain, Splash, etc. They enjoy sustained popularity, but they are not currently incredible draws like TSMM, Soarin', or, yes, Mine Train.

15 months is long enough that a lot of the people on the ride are not experiencing it for the first time. Yes, WDW gets a lot of first time visitors, but it also gets lots of people who visit one or more times every year. I've read countless posts from people who say that they visit that often.

I've also read many, many posts by parents who say that Mine Train is their kids' favorite ride. When the younguns love it, that's the kind of thing that will sustain popularity over the long haul. TSMM comes to mind.

Time will tell, but if you reread my post, I provided lots of examples of rides that could not sustain a lot of popularity despite being new -- and certainly not the crazy popularity of Mine Train.

 

[Praying Colonel]

Actually, it's not "the only new ride at the MK in years". Little Mermaid opened there recently. Yes it's a clone, but it's new to MK. Most WDW visitors don't also visit DLR, at least not on a regular basis. And Enchanted Tales with Belle is not a ride, but it is a new attraction with impressive AAs.

Unlike you, I don't know the future. It must be nice to have such a reliable crystal ball. But if you look at the history of new attractions, it is rare for a ride to open to a feeding frenzy for over a year, but then quickly diminish into unpopularity. I can't think of any examples. Can you?

Of course, it is likely to lose some of its momentum over time. That has happened to most headliners, including superstar attractions like Indiana Jones at Disneyland, Space Mountain, Splash, etc. They enjoy sustained popularity, but they are not currently incredible draws like TSMM, Soarin', or, yes, Mine Train.

15 months is long enough that a lot of the people on the ride are not experiencing it for the first time. Yes, WDW gets a lot of first time visitors, but it also gets lots of people who visit one or more times every year. I've read countless posts from people who say that they visit that often.

I've also read many, many posts by parents who say that Mine Train is their kids' favorite ride. When the younguns love it, that's the kind of thing that will sustain popularity over the long haul. TSMM comes to mind.

Time will tell, but if you reread my post, I provided lots of examples of rides that could not sustain a lot of popularity despite being new -- and certainly not the crazy popularity of Mine Train.

I still remember the EP RD crowd stampeding to this particular attraction, with a CM imploring them to slow down, yelling "Please walk! You'll all get a chance to ride it!"

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Mission: Space.

 

[d1gitman]

We recently returned from WDW and had our first ride on 7DMT. I won't say we were underwhelmed, it was fun, cute, short. the length of the ride was really my only complaint. We didn't expect it to be Space Mountain, Expedition Everest, RnR or California Screamin' (DLCA) but then again I don't think it was intended to be as such. We were fortunate to get FP+ for it multiple times and enjoyed.

 

[Cold71]

Rode this last year, I'll probably never get on it again. Being 6'2" and 225lbs...saying the cart was cramped would be an understatement.

 

[Jennasis]

Actually, it's not "the only new ride at the MK in years". Little Mermaid opened there recently. Yes it's a clone, but it's new to MK. Most WDW visitors don't also visit DLR, at least not on a regular basis. And Enchanted Tales with Belle is not a ride, but it is a new attraction with impressive AAs.

Unlike you, I don't know the future. It must be nice to have such a reliable crystal ball. But if you look at the history of new attractions, it is rare for a ride to open to a feeding frenzy for over a year, but then quickly diminish into unpopularity. I can't think of any examples. Can you?

Of course, it is likely to lose some of its momentum over time. That has happened to most headliners, including superstar attractions like Indiana Jones at Disneyland, Space Mountain, Splash, etc. They enjoy sustained popularity, but they are not currently incredible draws like TSMM, Soarin', or, yes, Mine Train.

15 months is long enough that a lot of the people on the ride are not experiencing it for the first time. Yes, WDW gets a lot of first time visitors, but it also gets lots of people who visit one or more times every year. I've read countless posts from people who say that they visit that often.

I've also read many, many posts by parents who say that Mine Train is their kids' favorite ride. When the younguns love it, that's the kind of thing that will sustain popularity over the long haul. TSMM comes to mind.

Time will tell, but if you reread my post, I provided lots of examples of rides that could not sustain a lot of popularity despite being new -- and certainly not the crazy popularity of Mine Train.

Enchanted tales With Belle. I waited a loooooooong time for that when it opened. Our trip the next year was pretty much a walk on.

 

[bakerudall]

What has happened to the Imagineers?

...WDW definitely feels like it got left behind in the technology race.

Ironic. The real question is, what has happened to our imaginations, and why do we need technology to fill in the void?

 

[casperthegm]

We liked it and we understood going in that it is in Fantasyland, hence more of a children's ride....BUT it wasn't anything that really left us with a magical feeling(and don't get me started on that Mermaid ride- what is up with the quality on that?). I don't need all thrill rides at Disney but they do seem to have fallen behind Universal for ingenuity and craftsmanship (and speed in which projects are planned and then completed). Maybe Star Wars Land and Avatar Land will help get things turned around but right now Universal is winning with the newer attractions and it's not really close.

 

[Mousemommy1]

Hmmm, my family loves 7DMT, especially at night!!

I would agree that it's too short but I think it's a great addition to NFL.

I was worried I would hate it, because we were there shortly after it opened and I couldn't ride because I was pregnant. There were a lot of reviews that stated they found it underwhelming, and I had to add 8 more months on before I would be able to ride it (thus, potentially leading to greater disappointment).

I was surprised to find myself squealing a little on the ride, and I'm no ride chicken!

 

[Davey Jones II]

I still remember the EP RD crowd stampeding to this particular attraction, with a CM imploring them to slow down, yelling "Please walk! You'll all get a chance to ride it!"

The attraction?
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Mission: Space.

Mission Space is not a feeding frenzy, but still one of the most popular attractions in Epcot.

 

[Tonyz]

What a fantastically original topic to talk about. Well done.

 

[Pemeberly]

I was actually pleasantly surprised this past weekend with 7DMT - and it's all thanks to disboards! Seriously, I think reading so many bad things about it beforehand lowered my expectations, and my bf's too. With such low expectations, it made the ride seem so much better.

Of course, I only rode it with BOG breakfast benefits and later a Fastpass. We never felt it was worth it to venture into 80min+ lines for the experience.

 

[jodifla]

Mission Space is not a feeding frenzy, but still one of the most popular attractions in Epcot.

We walked right on Mission Space last week.

 

[Davey Jones II]

That wasn't our experience last October. 40 minute wait times on a weekday.

Of course, we can debate this until the moon turns to green cheese. But the proof is in the parks, where 7DMT is the biggest WDW hit since TSMM. That speaks volumes, and says a lot more than any amount of message board chatter.

 

[Jennasis]

That wasn't our experience last October. 40 minute wait times on a weekday.

Of course, we can debate this until the moon turns to green cheese. But the proof is in the parks, where 7DMT is the biggest WDW hit since TSMM. That speaks volumes, and says a lot more than any amount of message board chatter.

I think it says Disney is right to build rides that the family can all ride. If I want exciting or innovative, I can go to USO for that. If I want something "cutesy" (or nostalgic) that my grandma can ride I go to Disney.