7/18/2010 Mickey's Baltic Ballyhoo!! Part 4

[Disneynutinlondon]

Thread 3 is still going, please don't start here till we finish off there​

 

[jlawall]

Too late

 

[Andrew DEREK UK]

I agree . . . I just think it would be strange for DCL to use a port farther away from Disneyland . . . not that San Diego is that far from Anaheim, I suppose. I suspect Andrew is correct and DCL is bargaining for the best deal.

Well we both know that Andrew is correct.

Nothing against San Diego, but it would have to be an amazing deal for them to walk away from all the advantages of Long Beach. Not only do you have more flexibility in terms of offering vacation packages, you have potentially huge staff savings as they can cross-train current Disney cast members to handle much of the shore activities, registration, etc.

To all...

I was careful in my postings on San Diego, as its one you could get egg on your face, I was a little surprised the 'confirming' newspaper article came out now, but it was nice to 'confirm' what some of the rumors were.

We have seen this before, a few years ago, DCL was 'seriously' thinking about moving its operations to Tampa, so serious that it was able to negotiate a great deal at PC, where PC pay a lot of the improvements.

Tampa would have added time travailing from WDW, two hours instead of one, and yes staff costs, registration costs etc, but PC took it seriously.

The same is true on SD, it could be a ply by DCL to hammer out a great deal, they are going to have the Magic there all year round so they need the best deal.

Its sensible to look at the options and no go with just one port. I do not know the area's problems on traffic as well as you guys but feel the situation on distance is exactly the same for SD as Tampa.

SD however helps the potential for trips to Hawaii, as the ships are Bahama registered so have to have one port outside USA,they can quickly call at Mexico before traveling across the pacific.

I would say its 50/50 at the moment.

 

[bellelinus]

To all...

I was careful in my postings on San Diego, as its one you could get egg on your face, I was a little surprised the 'confirming' newspaper article came out now, but it was nice to 'confirm' what some of the rumors were.

We have seen this before, a few years ago, DCL was 'seriously' thinking about moving its operations to Tampa, so serious that it was able to negotiate a great deal at PC, where PC pay a lot of the improvements.

Tampa would have added time travailing from WDW, two hours instead of one, and yes staff costs, registration costs etc, but PC took it seriously.

The same is true on SD, it could be a ply by DCL to hammer out a great deal, they are going to have the Magic there all year round so they need the best deal.

Its sensible to look at the options and no go with just one port. I do not know the area's problems on traffic as well as you guys but feel the situation on distance is exactly the same for SD as Tampa.

SD however helps the potential for trips to Hawaii, as the ships are Bahama registered so have to have one port outside USA,they can quickly call at Mexico before traveling across the pacific.

I would say its 50/50 at the moment.

Andrew, what do you think they plan to do with the ship there? Will they still go to Alaska without the Glacier Bay permit? Hawaii despite the long Pacific crossing? Of course they will do the Mex Riviera part of the year, but what else? You are a font of knowledge!

 

[Caropooh]

Andrew, what do you think they plan to do with the ship there? Will they still go to Alaska without the Glacier Bay permit? Hawaii despite the long Pacific crossing? Of course they will do the Mex Riviera part of the year, but what else? You are a font of knowledge!

I'd still take Alaska, even without Glacier Bay!

 

[bellelinus]

I'd still take Alaska, even without Glacier Bay!

I agree . . . it's just hard to know how much retrofitting of the ship would be necessary and it was strange when they pulled out of the competition for that.

 

[bellelinus]

R.I.P., thread 3!
(finally!)

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[Andrew DEREK UK]

Andrew, what do you think they plan to do with the ship there? Will they still go to Alaska without the Glacier Bay permit? Hawaii despite the long Pacific crossing? Of course they will do the Mex Riviera part of the year, but what else? You are a font of knowledge!

I'd still take Alaska, even without Glacier Bay!

Earlier this year I posted and thought:-

• Early Wesbound Repo I posted Feb/March and that article says those dates.
• Then 7 night Mex Riviera
• Then I said like Europe /Baltic2010, a small repo up the coast,
• Alaska cruises,
• Then a small repo back

Then more Mex Riviera, but NO E/bound repo.

Questions now on the Alaska bit, will they go without Glacier bay? DCL said, 'they' pulled out, views were they would have got 1 license, but with conditions but DCL pulled out saying it didn't fit with their plans. Alaska income against costs its not as good as elsewhere.

So I think IMHO Alaska is off, but thats opinion.

 

[Madisonznana]

R.I.P., thread 3!
(finally!)

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I had the last post!! post #4082
Thanks for all your hard work Izzi!!

 

[Madisonznana]

Boy Izzi, I had a good time on the ketcup. I sang along as you were bumping up the numbers.

 

[Disneynutinlondon]

I had the last post!! post #4082
Thanks for all your hard work Izzi!!

You're welcome Karen, they don't call me Queen Chattylicious for nothing you know !!!! I was just reading this morning posts...boy I did go on didn't I ?? I must have added 10 or more pages

 

[Disneynutinlondon]

Boy Izzi, I had a good time on the ketcup. I sang along as you were bumping up the numbers.

I'm so glad you enjoyed it Karen, it was fun doing it although very fustrating as the boards were terribly slow and work kept getting in the way

 

[Disneynutinlondon]

Time for bed, night night play nice

 

[bellelinus]

Earlier this year I posted and thought:-

• Early Wesbound Repo I posted Feb/March and that article says those dates.
• Then 7 night Mex Riviera
• Then I said like Europe /Baltic2010, a small repo up the coast,
• Alaska cruises,
• Then a small repo back

Then more Mex Riviera, but NO E/bound repo.

Questions now on the Alaska bit, will they go without Glacier bay? DCL said, 'they' pulled out, views were they would have got 1 license, but with conditions but DCL pulled out saying it didn't fit with their plans. Alaska income against costs its not as good as elsewhere.

So I think IMHO Alaska is off, but thats opinion.

Then what would do they do if they don't go to Alaska? Can they generate enough income with Mexican Riviera cruises? Can they go farther into central America and explore any exotic ports there? Hawaii? What do you think?

 

[Andrew DEREK UK]

Then what would do they do if they don't go to Alaska? Can they generate enough income with Mexican Riviera cruises? Can they go farther into central America and explore any exotic ports there? Hawaii? What do you think?

Good questions, Now they have a new boss it can all change, I discounted Hawaii a lot re the high number of sea days in a row, but a couple of cruises there is possible from SD.

I wouldn't 'rule' Alaska completely out but I do think personally its dead.

Maybe longer Mexican Riviera cruises down to Acapulco for say 10/11 nights?

 

[bellelinus]

Good questions, Now they have a new boss it can all change, I discounted Hawaii a lot re the high number of sea days in a row, but a couple of cruises there is possible from SD.

I wouldn't 'rule' Alaska completely out but I do think personally its dead.

Maybe longer Mexican Riviera cruises down to Acapulco for say 10/11 nights?

Personally I was terribly underwhelmed by Acapulco, but perhaps there are some other more southern ports they could use to make a nice 10/11 night itinerary . . .

It's going to be interesting. With the economy what it is, and a new CEO, they must be taking a second look at everything.

 

[bellelinus]

Of course our state department just issued a warning about travel to Mexicao because the drug wars are the worst they have ever been, so DCL has to worry a bit about that as well . . .

 

[eeyorelvr10]

Subscribing....


Now off to the hospital... looks like the doctors finally came in and are finally talking hospice. Its grey and rainy here in Sunny CA. What an oxymoron

Anyway, as I mentioned - just subscribing.

TTYL

 

[bellelinus]

Subscribing....


Now off to the hospital... looks like the doctors finally came in and are finally talking hospice. Its grey and rainy here in Sunny CA. What an oxymoron

Anyway, as I mentioned - just subscribing.

TTYL

Hi Laura -- don't know if you got my message on the other thread, but please send my regards to Steve, and of course you always have my love let me know if there is anything I can do for you.

 

[Andrew DEREK UK]

Personally I was terribly underwhelmed by Acapulco, but perhaps there are some other more southern ports they could use to make a nice 10/11 night itinerary . . .

It's going to be interesting. With the economy what it is, and a new CEO, they must be taking a second look at everything.

Yes, been to Acapulco three times and I agree, but... its shore trips and income, there is lots to do there, and lots of commission to be earnt, like the Dolphins at Cici water park etc.

Its not just the destination its the income, ie Europe in 2007 did very well because of a high take up on expensive shore trips which DCL takes a good commission on.

Nothing can be ruled in or out with a new boss and basically Disney Will Be looking for quick changes (income) but in reality unless you 'pull' 2010 Europe cruises, the earliest he can do anything is 2011. And with new ships he has more choice.

We know the new ships will go from PC, and with the economy as it is they will play safe, West coast is a 'banker' and its on the three year cycle so I cannot see the foundations on that changing.