60 Days Sentence for Child Rape in Vt.

roger_ramjet said:
That doesn't make your stance any less ridiculous. It just means there are more nuffies out there who think the same balderdash. Worrying, really.

No more worrying than people who cannot understand cause and effect; in this case liberal state, liberal appointment , liberal judge, liberal verdict.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Get your head out of the clouds and learn from other people's mistakes then you might alter the system enough to punish these perverts properly.

ford family
 
ford family said:
No more worrying than people who cannot understand cause and effect; in this case liberal state, liberal appointment , liberal judge, liberal verdict.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Get your head out of the clouds and learn from other people's mistakes then you might alter the system enough to punish these perverts properly.

ford family

Yup, that's it. All liberals wish to slap child molesters on the wrist for raping a child. That's basically what you're saying. Your cause and effect rubbish has more to do with the ******* judge than the ideological leanings he shares with millions of people.

I'm not even a liberal, but this B.S some of you come up with irks me.
 
DawnCt1 said:
I heard this on the news the other day and now Bill O'Rielly is talking about it; A man convicted of raping a child repeatedly, from the age of 6 years old for FOUR YEARS, was convicted. The perpetrator confessed! Yet Judge Cashman said that "punishment and retribution is not the answer and will not solve the problem". This convict needs to be put on ice for years. Did the judge think he was sentencing someone for a traffic violation? This judge should be impeached tomorrow. I know that Vt. tends to be liberal but this is ridiculous.

They should've hung the guy by his "manlies" from a tree near the courthouse steps.

Having said that, the OP and her "liberal" comment makes her look like more of a cartoon character everyday.
 
roger_ramjet said:
Yup, that's it. All liberals wish to slap child molesters on the wrist for raping a child. That's basically what you're saying. Your cause and effect rubbish has more to do with the ******* judge than the ideological leanings he shares with millions of people.

I'm not even a liberal, but this B.S some of you come up with irks me.

Remember it the next time one of these people tells you "we're all Americans and we all want the same things".
 

ford family said:
No more worrying than people who cannot understand cause and effect; in this case liberal state, liberal appointment , liberal judge, liberal verdict.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Get your head out of the clouds and learn from other people's mistakes then you might alter the system enough to punish these perverts properly.

ford family

Well said!
 
Dawn didn't bring politics into this discussion; the judge did, when he sentenced this man. He made a point of emphasizing the fact that the man wouldn't receive "treatment" in jail. He's obviously not happy with the current system and wants it changed. He sat up there, in his black robes, and used this case, and this little girl's misery to push his own political agenda. And yes, it is a "liberal" agenda. Sorry if the liberals on this board don't like that particular aspect of "liberalism".

And I agree with a previous poster. O'Reilly can be a blowhard, but he's on target with this one. I found myself wanting to throw something at the TV last night.
 
cats7494 said:
And that really pertains to this case? Can't you for once let politics go and see the deeper meaning here? An atrocity was committed against a child - who cares if the judge is liberal or conservative!
Making this issues political truly sickens me.
::yes:: This judge's politics don't matter and honestly, I don't think anyone knows enough about him to declare without any shadow of a doubt what his political stance is. What is incredibly said is that this child was brutally abused... once by the criminal and again by the VT courts.
 
Yet Judge Cashman said that "punishment and retribution is not the answer and will not solve the problem".
Wow, you would think a judge would also know that imprisonment is also used to protect the community from dangerous individuals. This is outrageous and he should be forced to resign his position as judge.
 
zagafi said:
WHA?? A one year old girl consented? Please tell me that's a typo!
LOL! yes I had corrected myself, it was a 14 year old, my #4 button is crappy, I have to push down hard on it to get the 4 to work.
 
This judge is unbelievable! From today's Boston Globe
Judge Cashman defends his decision to impose 60 day sentence
By Wilson Ring, Associated Press Writer | January 10, 2006

BURLINGTON, Vt. --District Court Judge Edward Cashman is standing by the 60-day minimum sentence he imposed on a man convicted of having repeated sexual contact with a young girl.

The goal in handing down the sentence on Mark Hulett, 34, of Williston is the long-term protection of the public from a man Cashman considers to be a greater threat to re-offend if he does not receive immediate sex-offender treatment, the judge wrote.

Cashman said in court documents filed Tuesday that he would have required more jail time for Hulett if he could have received sex offender treatment in jail.

"Sentencing is not the end of a problem," he wrote. "It should be the start of a solution."

Hulett received a combined sentence of a 10-year minimum to a maximum of life in prison for his conviction on two charges of aggravated sexual assault and a lesser offense, with all but 60 days suspended.

"The court maximized the long-term public safety protection at the cost of what now appears as being 'soft' on child molesters," Cashman wrote. "At sentencing, the court viewed the defendant as a dangerous man, likely to engage in future crime unless he has proper and timely treatment."

The maximum sentence of life in prison "sought to ensure public safety should Mr. Hulett fail in or refuse treatment during the first 10-year term," Cashman wrote.

Cashman's decision has been condemned by Gov. James Douglas, who said he was appalled by it. Republican and Democratic lawmakers are calling for legislation with mandatory minimum sentences for sex crimes.

One state senator is urging his impeachment. "This guy has got to go," said state Sen. Wendy Wilton, R-Rutland. "People believe he has flipped his lid."

House Republicans on Tuesday introduced a resolution calling on Cashman to resign.

"Like all Vermonters, Republican legislators are astonished by Judge Cashman's lack of judgment in this case," said Assistant House GOP leader David Sunderland, R-Rutland. "Cashman's decision raises real questions about Vermont's judicial system, a system we already believed needed reforms to protect the public from extreme violent and sexual predators."

Cashman filed court papers Tuesday in which he reconsidered the sentence he imposed on Hulett last week. He did not change the sentence, but the document gave him the opportunity to more fully explain the original decision.

Cashman said he was aware of the criticism his decision had prompted. "The negative comments sting," he wrote.

"I am aware that the intensity of some public criticism may shorten my judicial career," Cashman said. "To change my decision now, however, simply because of some negative sentiment, would be wrong.

"I owe it to the judiciary and to my own conscience to maintain a stand that I believe is the best possible option in a very difficult situation," he said.

Hulett pleaded guilty last summer to charges that he sexually assaulted the victim on at least three occasions over a four-year period. The assaults included oral-genital contact and genital touching, documents said.

Hulett was a friend of the victim's family and stayed in her home frequently. The victim's parents were aware that Hulett had an interest in the girl and that the two, on some occasions, slept in the same bed.

Police were alerted to the case after the victim told an older girl what had happened.

The Department of Correction's sex offender treatment team and Hulett's attorney argued his risk to re-offend was low and that he should be treated in the community.

But Cashman disagreed with those assessments. He wrote that Hulett had the emotional maturity of a 12- to 14-year old and Hulett didn't understand why others were so upset by his actions.

Experts found that Hulett was in a group of sex offenders who are harder to treat than others and that he would need a lifetime of supervision.

"The solution to these concerns requires quick and effective treatment," Cashman wrote. "Delay in treatment, especially if connected with lengthy imprisonment, creates additional risks by hardening the defendant into a pattern of thinking that further alienates him from the fundamental social values we are trying to promote."

But the sex offender treatment team told the court that Hulett would not be eligible for treatment during his minimum sentence.

"This creates the most difficult dilemma of the sentencing," Cashman wrote. "Any extensive minimum sentence prevents meaningful treatment. Delay of treatment within a closed facility increases the long-term risk the defendant presents to the community. Given these options the court chose to reduce the long-term risks and permit an opportunity for quick treatment."

Cashman said that during the sentencing hearing he was tempted by the calls for a long prison sentence.

"The issue to this court is not retribution as a sentencing tool, but rather its appropriateness to meet sentencing goals in specific cases," Cashman said. "I hope I have made clear that the amount of retribution sought in this case is self-defeating. Deterring future crimes of sexual abuse of children requires the court's very best efforts to use the available tools."
 
I do not understand the judges in this country, for some reason they think these people can be rehabilitated.

It's time to wake-up to this nasty crime. Men and woman who prefer little boys and girls for their sexual favors, will always have this desire.

Lets only give him 60 days and some treatment. My hopes are he becomes this judges neighbor when he's so called "cured"
 
Olaf said:
Dawn didn't bring politics into this discussion; the judge did, when he sentenced this man. He made a point of emphasizing the fact that the man wouldn't receive "treatment" in jail. He's obviously not happy with the current system and wants it changed. He sat up there, in his black robes, and used this case, and this little girl's misery to push his own political agenda. And yes, it is a "liberal" agenda. Sorry if the liberals on this board don't like that particular aspect of "liberalism".


I don't think that's quite true. The only set "liberal agenda" that even exists is in the mind of pied pipers like Sean Hannity who like to inflame their mindless flock of followers by turning every single news story into a political outrage.
 
ford family said:
No more worrying than people who cannot understand cause and effect; in this case liberal state, liberal appointment , liberal judge, liberal verdict.
Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. Get your head out of the clouds and learn from other people's mistakes then you might alter the system enough to punish these perverts properly.

ford family

Exactly and well put. There is a sense that if we understood the root causes of crime, we could prevent this kind of thing and treatment is what this perpetrator needs, not punishment. (essentially what the judge said). In response to C. Ann, How do I know that Vt. is a liberal state? Do they not keep re electing Patrick Leahy? I live in Ct, also another liberal state but we too have some conservatives. That doesn't change the fact that Ct. is a liberal state and due to our liberal legislative body, our state is at the bottom (lowest 10 states) for a business friendly environment and job growth.
 
How do I know that Vt. is a liberal state?

True Dawn, it's diffiuclt to have an open, honest debate if someone can't even acknowledge VT is a liberal state. And of course this is a liberal judge. Doesn't matter if he's Dem ,Republican, or other party. He IS liberal, and his actions here were liberal. You can't separate politics from what happened to this poor girl, because the two are directly related.
 
WIcruizer said:
True Dawn, it's diffiuclt to have an open, honest debate if someone can't even acknowledge VT is a liberal state. And of course this is a liberal judge. Doesn't matter if he's Dem ,Republican, or other party. He IS liberal, and his actions here were liberal. You can't separate politics from what happened to this poor girl, because the two are directly related.
Would anyone's opinion be different if this occurred in a "red" state, say Georgia, Kansas, Texas, etc.? What if it turned out that the judge was a registered Liberterian or even (GASP!) a Republican? I would not be any less outraged than I am now.

Politics has nothing to do with it except to use as a stick to stir the pot.
 
Tigger_Magic said:
Would anyone's opinion be different if this occurred in a "red" state, say Georgia, Kansas, Texas, etc.? What if it turned out that the judge was a registered Liberterian or even (GASP!) a Republican? I would not be any less outraged than I am now.

Politics has nothing to do with it except to use as a stick to stir the pot.

Bolding by me and I agree 100%.
Why are some of you focusing on the politics rather than the true issue? (the actual abuse of a child!)
If it sickens you as much as it does me - then start writing letters or make some phone calls!
I am in the process of doing just that. Instead of arguing about the politics - why don't you do something about it?
 
cats7494 said:
Bolding by me and I agree 100%.
Why are some of you focusing on the politics rather than the true issue? (the actual abuse of a child!)
If it sickens you as much as it does me - then start writing letters or make some phone calls!
I am in the process of doing just that. Instead of arguing about the politics - why don't you do something about it?
Sadly (and I am often guilty of this) it's easier to focus on politics than on the true issue. But you make a good point -- VT has a number of issues beyond politics, not the least of which is no sentencing guidelines for judges, thus allowing travesties like this to occur.

Not that I believe it will do any good, but I did email the governor (governor@vermont.gov) to express my outrage over this injustice. (I don't believe it will do any good because I am not a citizen of VT and the governor has no obligation to listen to my opinions.)
 


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