60 Days Sentence for Child Rape in Vt.

[crcormier]

I am outraged by the sentencing and now I'm also outraged by the OP after reading the whole thread. Every liberal on these boards (and most every other conservative) has agreed this isn't part of our 'agenda' and we are just as outraged as every conservative, politics don't seem to matter to anyone here in terms of being upset by this, but yet you still claim this is what liberals support, Dawn. You keep painting every one of us with the same brush, regardless. Well then I shall now associate you with every 'conservative' whackjob like Pat Robertson that represents hardly any other conservative's views out there and conclude that your views are the same as theirs and you support them fully. I've had it.

 

[lillygator]

and weren't people just talking about how wholesome and wonderful it is to raise children in Vermont on the Florida thread?

 

[NCRedding]

i agree that it sounds outrageous, but there are some items being misconstrued here.

First, the crime doesn't meet the statutory requirements of rape (ie penetration must be involved). Also, it appears to have occurred at least 3 times over a 4 year period, which is bad, but is hardly "repeatedly". I do not approve of these actions, but it isn't rape.

Second: He didn't "just get 60 days in jail" He received a ten year to life sentence. He will serve a minimum of 60 days, then he will be on probation. If he doesn't get sex offender treatment, he will go to prison for at least ten years and possibly for life.

I personally don't agree with the sentence of only 60 days active.

 

[cats7494]

I just e-mailed the governor of VT, along with ALL of the senators and the Representatives. It took a while to do but I think it is important to stand up for what you believe and especially when it concerns a child.

I am not a resident of VT either - so they may not even read the e-mails - but I had to try.

If anyone else is interested in doing this go to: http://www.vermont.gov/egovernment/elected-officials.html

All of the e-mail addresses and phone numbers are listed there.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

i agree that it sounds outrageous, but there are some items being miscontrued here.

First, the crime doesn't meet the statutory requirements of rape (ie penetration must be involved). Also, it appears to have occurred at least 3 times over a 4 year period, which is bad, but is hardly "repeatedly". I do not approve of these actions, but it isn't rape.

Once is too much. "Repeatedly" simply means more than one time. "At least 3 times" equals repeatedly. The time frame doesn't matter.

Second: He didn't "just get 60 days in jail" He received a ten year to life sentence. He will serve a minimum of 60 days, then he will be on probation. If he doesn't get sex offender treatment, he will go to prison for at least ten years and possibly for life.

Not quite. Hulett received a combined sentence of a 10-year minimum to a maximum of life in prison for his conviction on two charges of aggravated sexual assault and a lesser offense, with all but 60 days suspended. The only way Hulett will serve any more than the 60 days is if he doesn't seek treatment. "The maximum sentence of life in prison "sought to ensure public safety should Mr. Hulett fail in or refuse treatment during the first 10-year term," Cashman wrote." Not that treatment is all that effective. Unless they consider castration.

 

[BuckNaked]

Assuming the couple was "going out", yes.

Bingo!! Yep, I'm one of those people as well. Would I be happy about it? Of course not. But to compare a forcible rape with two teenagers whose hormones are out of control is ludicrous and insulting to real rape victims, IMO.

And I'm the mother of not only a son, but a daughter as well.

 

[WIcruizer]

Would anyone's opinion be different if this occurred in a "red" state, say Georgia, Kansas, Texas, etc.? What if it turned out that the judge was a registered Liberterian or even (GASP!) a Republican? I would not be any less outraged than I am now.

That's the problem, politics has EVERYTHING to do with it. It's a numbers game. Liberal judges have made many ruling like this in the past, this one just went national because of OReilly.

It does NOT mean any of YOU that are liberal support this decision. But when you vote for liberal judges or vote for candidates who will appoint liberal judges, just understand this is the type of rulings you can expect. This is by n means an isolated case.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

That's the problem, politics has EVERYTHING to do with it. It's a numbers game. Liberal judges have made many ruling like this in the past, this one just went national because of OReilly.

It does NOT mean any of YOU that are liberal support this decision. But when you vote for liberal judges or vote for candidates who will appoint liberal judges, just understand this is the type of rulings you can expect. This is by n means an isolated case.

Yeah, all liberal judges would sentence the exact same way Judge Cashman did and all conservative judges would have locked the guy away for life. Maybe you have some evidence to back up this claim?

 

[WIcruizer]

Yeah, all liberal judges would sentence the exact same way Judge Cashman did and all conservative judges would have locked the guy away for life.

Maybe you have some evidence to back up this claim?

Maybe you have some evidence to back up where I said that???

Liberals...please...READ. It's good for you. I was careful to point out it's A NUMBERS GAME. Do we all know what that means? It's more likely to happen. More liberal judges= more soft sentences. Unreal, my liberal friends wouldn't even disagree with that, it's common sense.

 

[cats7494]

That's the problem, politics has EVERYTHING to do with it. It's a numbers game. Liberal judges have made many ruling like this in the past, this one just went national because of OReilly.

It does NOT mean any of YOU that are liberal support this decision. But when you vote for liberal judges or vote for candidates who will appoint liberal judges, just understand this is the type of rulings you can expect. This is by n means an isolated case.

Can you provide more examples of this?
Conservatives giving a "proper" punishment and a liberal giving "improper" punishment?

 

[cats7494]

Just received a reply from Senator Don Collins in VT:

I agree that we need minimum sentencing requirements and Senate
Judicicary is going to address this issue. Senator Don Collins

I was surprised to hear back so quickly but am glad the issue will be discussed!

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Maybe you have some evidence to back up where I said that???

What part of your post

Liberal judges have made many ruling like this in the past, this one just went national because of OReilly.

It does NOT mean any of YOU that are liberal support this decision. But when you vote for liberal judges or vote for candidates who will appoint liberal judges, just understand this is the type of rulings you can expect. This is by n means an isolated case.

are you denying you wrote. "Liberal judges have made many ruling like this in the past..." Can you support that contention with some facts?

"When you vote for liberal judges... this is the type of rulings you can expect. This is by n(o) means an isolated case." You wrote that, not me. I'm just asking why you choose to paint with such a broad brush, offering your opinion as some type of proven fact.

Liberals...please...READ. It's good for you. I was careful to point out it's A NUMBERS GAME. Do we all know what that means? It's more likely to happen. More liberal judges= more soft sentences. Unreal, my liberal friends wouldn't even disagree with that, it's common sense.

Yeah, some of my best friends are...

 

[mickeyboat]

and weren't people just talking about how wholesome and wonderful it is to raise children in Vermont on the Florida thread?

Nice

Denae - raising her children in Vermont

 

[DawnCt1]

Every liberal on these boards (and most every other conservative) has agreed this isn't part of our 'agenda' and we are just as outraged as every conservative, politics don't seem to matter to anyone here in terms of being upset by this, but yet you still claim this is what liberals support, Dawn. You keep painting every one of us with the same brush, regardless. Well then I shall now associate you with every 'conservative' whackjob like Pat Robertson that represents hardly any other conservative's views out there and conclude that your views are the same as theirs and you support them fully. I've had it.

I certainly don't believe its what most liberals would chose for a sentence for a pedophile rapist, but I think that the legislature of many states is far enough removed from what most people think. I heard two lawyers on Bill O'Reilly as guests last night. They were expected to take opposing views yet, they couldn't help but find too much common ground with each other on this sentence. One finally decented. Vt. is a liberal state. They tend to vote for liberal causes. That doesn't mean that the citizenry won't appreciate the impact of this sentence however.

 

[WIcruizer]

Can you provide more examples of this?

Of course, but I'm not going to spend the time to do so. Is there really anyone who doesn't believe liberal judges generally give softer sentences? Words mean things. Liberals define themselves as "tolerant." You all embrace liberals o nthe bench until something like this really gets your attention.

 

[LuvDuke]

Maybe you have some evidence to back up where I said that???

Liberals...please...READ. It's good for you. I was careful to point out it's A NUMBERS GAME. Do we all know what that means? It's more likely to happen. More liberal judges= more soft sentences. Unreal, my liberal friends wouldn't even disagree with that, it's common sense.

Do you have anything to back this up or is this more sourcing from the back passage?

 

[lillygator]

Nice

Denae - raising her children in Vermont

how do you think I felt when they said how horrid it was to raise children in Florida and Vermont was so much better to raise a family?

 

[cats7494]

Of course, but I'm not going to spend the time to do so. Is there really anyone who doesn't believe liberal judges generally give softer sentences? Words mean things. Liberals define themselves as "tolerant." You all embrace liberals o nthe bench until something like this really gets your attention.

Shocker - no response nor hard facts

 

[mickeyboat]

how do you think I felt when they said how horrid it was to raise children in Florida and Vermont was so much better to raise a family?

Does that give you the right to insult others? Sorry someone made you feel bad.

Denae

 

[DawnCt1]

Shocker - no response nor hard facts

Liberal sentencing has been the subject of discussion for many years, I think perhaps you could find it for yourself.