5/27/06 "Il pochi il fiero i blabbermouths" We *will* sail again Part 4

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justmestace said:
I can now guarantee you that I won't be using the Treo for any lengthy DIS-ing...those buttons and the screen are sooooo small! But it is pretty nifty.

Still haven't managed to sign into my mailbox...but I'll get there.
I'm thinking that once I get used to it, I may be hooked!! (Thanks, Virgil! :sad2: )

Good night everyone!

Good morning, Jim! :sunny:

Good morning Stacey.
 
Good morning Cruisers!
We sail in 33 weeks!




Woo Hoo - Another week closer to cruising!
 
Kevin & Jim - thought you would find this interesting. This is something I found on another thread. The poster was with us on the recent Member Cruise.


Well while walking by a booth for Abaco Dive Adventures I noticed they had a 50th calendar, and commented to a gentleman sitting there at the booth. He said that he got the calendar as a retirement gift from Disney after 35 years. His name is Wayne Mitchell and he helped develop Castaway Cay. Here are a few things I learned: There was a dive program at CC for a very short time, (three weeks) it ended because Mom did not want to be left along while Dad went diving leaving her with the kids. There are some great dive sites just to the west of the dock, along the break water, and there is an other sunken 20K leagues sub out there in about 40’ of water. He also is the owner of the glass bottom boat tour offered at CC. He said to ask the Glass Bottom boat Captain to take you to the Sub. Visibility is not always good. He said he sunk it there in hopes of making it a dive site. That would be a fun dive.

He also developed the Diving Mickey for the Living Seas. A special Dive Program and equipment was developed. He shared a couple of secrets as to the equipment used, pretty interesting.
 
justmestace said:
Checking in from the ballgames....sorry you aren't feeling good, Ohminnie! I wondered why you were so quiet today! Feel better!


Well, most of the quiet came from a busy day....a trip to the seamstress, school and 2 hours 45 minutes of ballet! Plus taking care of little Mowana :)

Then an episode of 24.
 

dzneprincess said:
Stacey,
Thank you for taking the time to post this advice,based on your experience. I really appreciate it, and I will keep all this in mind when I meet with her teacher. Unfortunately, the 1st year this happened (1st grade) I thought it was her teacher. I did not care for the teacher, but I got Taylor started on Concerta and it seemed to help.Last year in 2nd grade, she had a much nicer teacherm but the same problem. Now again in 3rd grade same problem...the ony time that she had a teacher that was great with her was in K. But I talked with that teacher, and she had a son a lot like Taylor, so she really encouraged and inspired Taylor. She would accentuate the postive about her (creative, smart, etcetc etc) I wish she were still her teacher....

Amanda,

You need to have the school system set up an IEP (individualized educational plan). My son, Jason who is now in the Airforce, has ADD. We forced his high school to set up this program for him. It required the school to give them copies of assignments, notes, a list of due dates, etc. It was hard for some teachers to follow the rules - but most did. It falls under federal law. I wasn't aware of it until somebody informed me of it. There are many web resources, and I'm sure state resources available to you. Be aware that many schools balk at first, because it does take time, increased attention, and involvement. Here's a link for you to start with - http://www.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html

or another option is a 504 plan - similar to an IEP - here's a link (from the St. Paul public schools) -
http://www.ell.spps.org/ELL_and_Special_Education2.html

Most schools will try a 504 plan first - as it is less stringent in the requirement. We started with that for Jason in middle school - but had to switch to an IEP in high school.

Hope things work out well.

Virgil
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Dancind said:
Amanda, I'm catching up on posts. But I have one of those kids too. Do you have a diagnosis of ADD? If not, get one, then you can ask the school for a 504 plan. Which will spell out accommodations for Taylor, including the teacher signing off on her planner. Good luck with that, we're still fighting that battle. ....

Great minds think alike - see what happens when I post as soon as I read something......

Virgil
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Good morning everyone! Well, now I understand completely where "Il pochi il fiero i blabbermouths" came from.... wow you guys are chatty!!!!! :hyper2:

Diana, hope things go very well for your nephew. The docs I work for saw an amazing number of skateboard related head injuries this summer. How do we get these kids to wear their helmets?????

As for the ADD topic, my son is also inattentive ADD... they are the ones that usually slip through the cracks because they don't really display any of the "outward" behaviors of ADD or the hyper behaviors of ADHD. My son's doctor explained it to me REALLY well, that it isn't that they don't pay attention to anything, but that they can't pick and choose what they pay attention to, trying to pay attention to everything at once. she said for my son it is like driving in a rain storm and trying to focus on each individual raindrop as it hits the windsheild. (this made me so sad for my son... I can't imagine what it is like for him trying to live like that!!) Trying to add a consequence into the mix is just giving them one more thing they can't focus on. She said different kids respond to different things, but that medication HAS to be combined with behavior modification (mostly at school) in order to work. And that sometimes you have to go through a few different medications before you find one that might work right... all kids are different, there isn't one drug that is going to work for all of them. We started out on Adderall (which is a stimulant like Ritalin) and ds was able to focus much better, but got terribly emotional, would cry if you looked cross eyed at him. We switched him to Strattera, which is a non-stimulant. It has worked wonderfully for him. It is a little different.... he does have to take it every day, weekend or not, because of the way it works, it is not an "instant med" like a stimulant is, but the upside to that is when he wakes up in the morning, he still has some of the medication in his system, so we no longer have to remind him thirty times that he is suppose to be getting dressed!! As for behavior modification at school, his first grade teacher instituted a catch phrase at school... during worksheet time, she would come over to his desk and quietly say "are you working" and he would have a strip with working on one side and not working on the other side, and he would have to make a check mark on the appropriate side. Each week, he had a few more check marks in the "working" side.... it was pretty amazing to watch. His second grade teacher this year said he is doing much better staying on task, but she is aware of the catch phrase and will start using it again if needed. As for the behavior modifications at home, we instituted manditory homework time with the same catch phrase... one hour at the table every night as soon as he gets home from school, whether he brings any homework home or not. (I went to a teacher's store and got a bunch of grade level workbooks, so if he doesn't bring something home, I just pick something for him to work on) During this time, the TV is off and his sister has to be in a different room, but as long as distractions are minimized, it works wonderful.

Amanda, I wonder if your daughter realized she had to do "homework" every night no matter what, she might be more motivated to bring home the school work?? But as I said, the same things don't work for every kid... mostly you just need to keep trying til you find something. And as someone else said, get your school guidance counselor involved if you are not getting enough assistance from her teacher. You need to be in partnership with her teacher for any behavior modification to work!!!!

Well, gosh.... I don't post for a whole week, and then I write a book. :earseek: Guess I am a blabbermouth too!! :rolleyes:
 
You guys have some great advice re: schools and ADD. Not having to deal with the school system, I didn't know how the IEP/504 process worked and what exactly was required. Interesting reading.

Off to clean my house with a low level migraine....company tonight otherwise I wouldn't do it!
 
Ya know what I'm thinking is really ironic....

This thread is talking all about learning styles, IEPs, 504's, homework, teachers and helping our children be the best they can be....

Whereas my homeschool board is thick into a discussion of Disney, how to tour it, when to go, what passes to get, and what resort to book!! :rotfl2:
 
WDWLVR said:
Kevin & Jim - thought you would find this interesting. This is something I found on another thread. The poster was with us on the recent Member Cruise.

Thanks for sharing! To bad they killed the dive program. I always wanted to dive there and Sharon would not care if I left her on the beach, especially with a book and a buff waiter guy!
 
ohiominnie said:
Ya know what I'm thinking is really ironic....

This thread is talking all about learning styles, IEPs, 504's, homework, teachers and helping our children be the best they can be....

Whereas my homeschool board is thick into a discussion of Disney, how to tour it, when to go, what passes to get, and what resort to book!! :rotfl2:


Well, that just shows you have your priorities in the right place!!!! If we don't teach our kids what is REALLY important in life, who will?? :earboy2:
 
ScrapHappyMama said:
Well, that just shows you have your priorities in the right place!!!! If we don't teach our kids what is REALLY important in life, who will?? :earboy2:


You mean DISNEY, right?
 
Dancind said:
Amanda, I'm catching up on posts. But I have one of those kids too. Do you have a diagnosis of ADD? If not, get one, then you can ask the school for a 504 plan. Which will spell out accommodations for Taylor, including the teacher signing off on her planner. Good luck with that, we're still fighting that battle. The other thing I do , which has always worked very well, is bribery. It's got to be short term though, day to day or week to week at the longest. Penalties don't really work, especially something as far away as the cruise.

What do you mean a diagnosis? Like something on paper? No, I do not. So taking something like that will help me?
 
Dancind said:
The higher the dose, the more likely they are to have these types of side effects.
This is exactly what I am afraid of. My older son CJ is nothing like this. I never even have to ask him about his homework, itis just done. It has always been like that with him. SO this is all new territory for me.
 
Dancind said:
OK, finished reading. Amanda, you need to insist that Taylor has an IEP/504 and they stick to it! They're messing with your legal rights here! Alicia's school always claimed that since she wasn't failing (she's a spectacular compensator, gifted), she didn't qualify for any services. But if Taylor isn't doing homework, she IS failing, so she qualifies. You can ask them to put almost anything you want in that plan, and one thing you should specify is teacher choice. And then pick one that will help her!

One trick we learned, take Dad to school for one of the meetings. For some reason, grumpy Dads intimidate most school personnel way more than Mom ever does (sorry Fran).

OK...hmm about the IEP/504 plan....I have never heard of it? I will have to go googling this morning. Like i said, she is not incapable of doing the work. She is very bright. I think part of the problem, is that her classroom is experimenting a new system this year, and that is having 2 teachers. One in the AM's and one in the afternoons....Hers is the only 3rd grade class doing that? I am not so sure this is the best situation for her. But then again, with her innattentiveness, a new teacher in the afternoons mabe good for her? I am going to go to the school on Tuesday to talk with one of the teachers. I will be armed with all this information from yall. Please keep it coming. It really helps to know that others have gone thru this and have survived!
 
WVMD said:
Amanda,

You need to have the school system set up an IEP (individualized educational plan). My son, Jason who is now in the Airforce, has ADD. We forced his high school to set up this program for him. It required the school to give them copies of assignments, notes, a list of due dates, etc. It was hard for some teachers to follow the rules - but most did. It falls under federal law. I wasn't aware of it until somebody informed me of it. There are many web resources, and I'm sure state resources available to you. Be aware that many schools balk at first, because it does take time, increased attention, and involvement. Here's a link for you to start with - http://www.ed.gov/parents/needs/speced/iepguide/index.html

or another option is a 504 plan - similar to an IEP - here's a link (from the St. Paul public schools) -
http://www.ell.spps.org/ELL_and_Special_Education2.html

Most schools will try a 504 plan first - as it is less stringent in the requirement. We started with that for Jason in middle school - but had to switch to an IEP in high school.

Hope things work out well.

Virgil
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Virgil,
Thank you for the links. So I had no idea about these IEP/504 plans.....
 
ohiominnie said:
Ya know what I'm thinking is really ironic....

This thread is talking all about learning styles, IEPs, 504's, homework, teachers and helping our children be the best they can be....

Whereas my homeschool board is thick into a discussion of Disney, how to tour it, when to go, what passes to get, and what resort to book!! :rotfl2:

OM, they must worship you on that board! You know all the answers! That would be kind of fun, until you find yourself answering the same questions over and over again.

Let me clarify the bribery plan a little bit. It's not anything major, it's just immediate. I do give her $20 for an A on her report card (offset by any C's), but that's a little long term. You just have to look at things from the opposite direction. Instead of taking away a favorite game or music time if they don't do what they're supposed to, you promised time to do the favorite game or music if they DO what they're supposed to. Making my DD do "homework busywork" would NEVER have worked. She would have been so MAD. Really, it's just trial and error with these kids. The one thing that DOES NOT work is the thing that every teacher, and other parents, will tell you to do. That is, "they have to learn to sink or swim". They always, always sink. So here we are wondering how long we have to micro manage their studies. I can tell you that I'm seeing signs, in 9th grade, that my daughter HATES having me supervise her schoolwork. So that's sort of a motivation there. We still check web sites, demand progress reports, look at her planner (not there's anything there usually, though I do bribe for planner use), and occasionally get involved in major projects (like last weekend), but she does do most of it herself. If she tells me she has homework, I demand that she does it soon after getting home from school. But I no longer have to sit there and WATCH her do it, like I did when she was younger. That's progress, right?
 
ScrapHappyMama said:
. As for the behavior modifications at home, we instituted manditory homework time with the same catch phrase... one hour at the table every night as soon as he gets home from school, whether he brings any homework home or not. (I went to a teacher's store and got a bunch of grade level workbooks, so if he doesn't bring something home, I just pick something for him to work on) During this time, the TV is off and his sister has to be in a different room, but as long as distractions are minimized, it works wonderful.

Amanda, I wonder if your daughter realized she had to do "homework" every night no matter what, she might be more motivated to bring home the school work?? But as I said, the same things don't work for every kid... mostly you just need to keep trying til you find something. And as someone else said, get your school guidance counselor involved if you are not getting enough assistance from her teacher. You need to be in partnership with her teacher for any behavior modification to work!!!!

Well, gosh.... I don't post for a whole week, and then I write a book. :earseek: Guess I am a blabbermouth too!! :rolleyes:

Linda,
I think this is a great idea! Thanks.. I will try this as well. As far as being a blabbermouth, we like it that way :-)
 
dzneprincess said:
What do you mean a diagnosis? Like something on paper? No, I do not. So taking something like that will help me?

If her doctor gave her meds, you would think that would prove to the school that's she has been diagnosed. But for some reason, it doesn't. Ask her doctor to put it in writing that she has ADD and needs accommodation in school, then take that to the school and ask for a "support meeting".
 
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