3 Women get into a brawl at Test Track

[dinolounger]

It is considered proper etiquette to not report on the ethnicity of the person who committed a crime.

Oh, really? Once you leave your alternate universe, you may want to read news announcements where authorities who are seeking crime suspects describe said suspects as specifically as possible, including their ethnicity, so that the public knows what to be looking for. Saying the suspect is a "male in their twenties wearing a blue jacket" doesn't narrow the target universe to a useful level. Saying the suspect is an "Asian male in his twenties wearing a blue jacket" immediately and dramatically improves the odds of the letter being spotted. And for your edification, Here are examples of the latter (and the wonderful world of criminal cultural diversity) from the FBI most wanted lists:

 

[anneboleyn]

Wow, that Goofy hat stayed upright longer than some of the people involved in the fighting!

 

[BagOLaughs]

It is considered proper etiquette to not report on the ethnicity of the person who committed a crime. That is why when you read an article about a robbery it will say "the suspect is a male between 5'8"-6" and 175 pounds" The article will NOT say "the suspect is a black male...."

Revealing that the suspect is a minority is racist.

This thread could have been created without the video. The video reveals the ethnicity of the perp and that knowledge will taint the viewer's opinion of that race.

Read the comments to the video and see how the ethnicity of the individuals in the video have affected the commenters' opinion of that race.

Check your privilege and learn how to treat minorities with respect in 2015.

Actually, I've followed this thread from the start and 99.9% of posters are taking about the poor behavior of the people involved and not the race or ethnicity of the people.

You are actually one of the first posts to mention race... so... what does that say?

*EDIT* So I've just read through the entire thread again and not one post mentions race until it was brought up by @DVCcurious.

 

[Disneychick75]

Disney has to act if fights become more common, otherwise, we might as well all spend our money at Six Flags.

 

[DisneyBabies]

This was posted in the other "Brawl" thread:

... this was posted elsewhere.

"Sooo to put everything into perspective and set the record straight.

I know many people in that area of Future World East and worked at TT, so I know exactly who the CM is in that video and most of the details of what happened.

As far as to what happened, what some of you guessed is true: the fight started due to people cutting each other post-Design Studio. It's something that's been happening more and more lately at TT for some odd reason, but this is definitely the most extreme of the situation. They went at it for a good bit verbally before the physical part of the altercation came out, hence how the video was able to be shot.

Security was called in, but never showed up until 8 minutes in. It greatly saddens me that they took this long to get there, but it was a perfect storm of miscommunication that resulted in both management and security arriving later than anticipated. Even in regular emergency situations, there have been times where it's taken more than 5 minutes to get to the scene (waiting 10 minutes for Reedy Creek to show up when you have a girl that suddenly fell unconscious and is shaking all over isn't fun). Security followed them through but from what I've been told, weren't able to follow them after trailing both parties for a while.

In regards to the CM: He's a great guy. He's been with the company in the same area for several years and knows what he's doing. Going from personal experience, situations like these are not rare among us who work E-ticket rides. Granted, this is definitely one of the worst I've ever seen, but he's been at TT since the start of his career at WDW, so this isn't a new experience for him. It's also funny that some of you have been mentioning about being a teacher can help with these kinds of situations; he himself is actually a teacher at his regular job.

We're all worried right now as to what's going to happen with him (especially given the current state of the area), but everyone there is in agreement that he did the right thing. Did he touch the guest? By the video's details, obviously. Was it warranted? Absolutely. We're talking about not only two groups of people getting into it, but other guests surrounded on all sides of them that could've gotten injured, especially for the fact that a personal belonging was used as a weapon. As for him reaching out like that, you have to remember: that part of the queue is the bend right before you into Load. There's going to be many people behind, in front, and next to them. The fastest way to get through that area (and, in this case, your own personal protection) is to stay behind the railings in the Single Rider queue. It wasn't only a matter of protecting the other guests around him, but also self-defense.

What IS good news is that the manager on duty that night has experience from being in Security within WDW AND has previous law enforcement experience, so we're hoping that helps a lot from their own perspective.

Lastly on the question of whether or not we're trained to handle these kinds of situations: Not. at. all. We're only told to call a coordinator or manager when we feel that there is a possibility of something about to happen, if a situation is getting out of hand, etc, and then only call Security when absolutely needed. In the event of something like this happens, you try and get them to calm down and lead them away from other guests, but when it comes to large scale situations such as these, there isn't really a clear procedure in place.

Believe me when I say this: these kinds of things happen far more often than you realize."

 

[Disneychick75]

This was posted in the other "Brawl" thread:

... this was posted elsewhere.

"Sooo to put everything into perspective and set the record straight.

I know many people in that area of Future World East and worked at TT, so I know exactly who the CM is in that video and most of the details of what happened.

As far as to what happened, what some of you guessed is true: the fight started due to people cutting each other post-Design Studio. It's something that's been happening more and more lately at TT for some odd reason, but this is definitely the most extreme of the situation. They went at it for a good bit verbally before the physical part of the altercation came out, hence how the video was able to be shot.

Security was called in, but never showed up until 8 minutes in. It greatly saddens me that they took this long to get there, but it was a perfect storm of miscommunication that resulted in both management and security arriving later than anticipated. Even in regular emergency situations, there have been times where it's taken more than 5 minutes to get to the scene (waiting 10 minutes for Reedy Creek to show up when you have a girl that suddenly fell unconscious and is shaking all over isn't fun). Security followed them through but from what I've been told, weren't able to follow them after trailing both parties for a while.

In regards to the CM: He's a great guy. He's been with the company in the same area for several years and knows what he's doing. Going from personal experience, situations like these are not rare among us who work E-ticket rides. Granted, this is definitely one of the worst I've ever seen, but he's been at TT since the start of his career at WDW, so this isn't a new experience for him. It's also funny that some of you have been mentioning about being a teacher can help with these kinds of situations; he himself is actually a teacher at his regular job.

We're all worried right now as to what's going to happen with him (especially given the current state of the area), but everyone there is in agreement that he did the right thing. Did he touch the guest? By the video's details, obviously. Was it warranted? Absolutely. We're talking about not only two groups of people getting into it, but other guests surrounded on all sides of them that could've gotten injured, especially for the fact that a personal belonging was used as a weapon. As for him reaching out like that, you have to remember: that part of the queue is the bend right before you into Load. There's going to be many people behind, in front, and next to them. The fastest way to get through that area (and, in this case, your own personal protection) is to stay behind the railings in the Single Rider queue. It wasn't only a matter of protecting the other guests around him, but also self-defense.

What IS good news is that the manager on duty that night has experience from being in Security within WDW AND has previous law enforcement experience, so we're hoping that helps a lot from their own perspective.

Lastly on the question of whether or not we're trained to handle these kinds of situations: Not. at. all. We're only told to call a coordinator or manager when we feel that there is a possibility of something about to happen, if a situation is getting out of hand, etc, and then only call Security when absolutely needed. In the event of something like this happens, you try and get them to calm down and lead them away from other guests, but when it comes to large scale situations such as these, there isn't really a clear procedure in place.

Believe me when I say this: these kinds of things happen far more often than you realize."

If it's a line merging issue, then Disney needs to act on it. People get aggravated after a long day in the park-especially long, HOT days.

In my own experience, my daughter invited my niece to come to WDW one year. Niece has medical issues and we had to get a GAC. It was right before the DAS change. Right at the Haunted Mansion gate, we were directed by one CM to wait by a gate near the exit. Several minutes later a CM with a bad attitude asked what we were doing and we explained. He said to follow him. He proceeded to walk us back to the regular line of people waiting and then said to a man that we needed to get in line and he was putting us in front of this man. The man said No. So the CM put us in line behind this man but in front of a bunch of other guests. Things were said to us and about us. All we did was follow what we were told to do. We were embarrassed by the line cutting and the comments so we left the line.

I can see both sides. Group A is in line and then Group B merges and Group A views it as line cutting when in reality Group B is doing nothing wrong. Seems in this case, Group B just merged in front of the wrong people. There should be a CM directing people to enter- we've seen this at other attractions where the FP and standby lines merge, why not at TT after the Design Studio?

 

[BarryS]

Wow, that Goofy hat stayed upright longer than some of the people involved in the fighting!

I agree that Goofy hat is amazing!

 

[ammag]

Fist pass plus.....made me lol

 

[amandasomerville]

This is so crazy, I can't imagine seeing something like that while I was there, let alone letting me kids see it. ugh.

 

[Josh Hendy]

What IS good news is that the manager on duty that night has experience from being in Security within WDW AND has previous law enforcement experience, so we're hoping that helps a lot from their own perspective.

Lastly on the question of whether or not we're trained to handle these kinds of situations: Not. at. all. We're only told to call a coordinator or manager when we feel that there is a possibility of something about to happen, if a situation is getting out of hand, etc, and then only call Security when absolutely needed. In the event of something like this happens, you try and get them to calm down and lead them away from other guests, but when it comes to large scale situations such as these, there isn't really a clear procedure in place.

Believe me when I say this: these kinds of things happen far more often than you realize."

I don't see the good news in this. In the video I think I'm seeing a front-line grunt trying to stop the fight. A fight involving an assault with a weapon. I don't see any manager with security/police experience on the scene. Assuming that the manager on duty was NOT one of the persons responding immediately to the fight, then the obvious question is ... ***?

It's fine to give employees minimal training and to tell them "call a coordinator or manager" for bad situations (I suppose), but that means the company must make sure that there IS a responsible, trained person who is closer to the scene than (apparently) 8 minutes or more away.

The TT ride has as many customers in it as a Wal-Mart superstore. Maybe you can't always have a cop or a security guard in the store all the time, but would a large operation dealing with hundreds of members of the public not even have a manager on duty? And a clear line of responsibility delegating responsibility to an assistant manager whenever the 1iC is away on break or is unavoidably called away?

By itself this might just be an ordinary SNAFU, stuff happens. But it's a bit disturbing when you remember that during the monorail accident the manager was away off-site, there was no trained and responsible assistant in charge, and the manager was literally "phoning it in". That's a seriously shoe-string operation if you ask me. If I'm correct in assuming that it was an ordinary, front-line CM who was left alone with the responsibility of dealing with an escalating argument leading to assault with a weapon.

 

[englanddg]

I don't see the good news in this. In the video I think I'm seeing a front-line grunt trying to stop the fight. A fight involving an assault with a weapon. I don't see any manager with security/police experience on the scene. Assuming that the manager on duty was NOT one of the persons responding immediately to the fight, then the obvious question is ... ***?

It's fine to give employees minimal training and to tell them "call a coordinator or manager" for bad situations (I suppose), but that means the company must make sure that there IS a responsible, trained person who is closer to the scene than (apparently) 8 minutes or more away.

The TT ride has as many customers in it as a Wal-Mart superstore. Maybe you can't always have a cop or a security guard in the store all the time, but would a large operation dealing with hundreds of members of the public not even have a manager on duty? And a clear line of responsibility delegating responsibility to an assistant manager whenever the 1iC is away on break or is unavoidably called away?

By itself this might just be an ordinary SNAFU, stuff happens. But it's a bit disturbing when you remember that during the monorail accident the manager was away off-site, there was no trained and responsible assistant in charge, and the manager was literally "phoning it in". That's a seriously shoe-string operation if you ask me. If I'm correct in assuming that it was an ordinary, front-line CM who was left alone with the responsibility of dealing with an escalating argument leading to assault with a weapon.

FYI, the post on the other thread was me quoting a post from a CM from someplace else entirely.

The CM wont see your response here, likely.

But, I agree with your sentiment.

 

[Josh Hendy]

FYI, the post on the ither thread was me quoting a post froma CM from someplace else entirely.

The CM wont see your response here, likely.

But, I agree with your sentiment.

Understood. I guess I wasn't looking for information so much as throwing a hypothesis out there ... that might not withstand the facts.

 

[fireplay81]

This is why we go in September. The low crowds make up for the the hateful weather. All hail the CM's!

 

[rteetz]

This is why we go in September. The low crowds make up for the the hateful weather. All hail the CM's!

Well at least for The Magic Kingdoms sake September crowds aren't as low as they used to be. The MK is seeing more peak days so far this year than ever.

 

[staugielady]

I saw the uncut footage on the news site and couldn't believe that at the end, when they were being escorted out by security or whoever it was that they were saying how unfair it was that they were being removed.

 

[Josh Hendy]

I saw the uncut footage on the news site and couldn't believe that at the end, when they were being escorted out by security or whoever it was that they were saying how unfair it was that they were being removed.

'Specially when the first part of the video shows a clear cut case of unprovoked assault with a weapon.The umbrella lady should have been getting a ride downtown to get fingerprinted and have her priors checked, not left to run her mouth over getting on test track.

 

[Planogirl]

It is considered proper etiquette to not report on the ethnicity of the person who committed a crime. That is why when you read an article about a robbery it will say "the suspect is a male between 5'8"-6" and 175 pounds" The article will NOT say "the suspect is a black male...."

Revealing that the suspect is a minority is racist.

This thread could have been created without the video. The video reveals the ethnicity of the perp and that knowledge will taint the viewer's opinion of that race.

Read the comments to the video and see how the ethnicity of the individuals in the video have affected the commenters' opinion of that race.

Check your privilege and learn how to treat minorities with respect in 2015.

The race of a suspect is always given, black or white or otherwise. It's simply identification.

That aside, what are you talking about? You brought up race which is odd since it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

The race of a suspect is always given, black or white or otherwise. It's simply identification.

That aside, what are you talking about? You brought up race which is odd since it's completely irrelevant to this discussion.

You are totally correct Planogirl, It is not racist to point out the race of the suspect, it part of the description and nothing more...end of story!


AKK

 

[Sybernova]

It is considered proper etiquette to not report on the ethnicity of the person who committed a crime. That is why when you read an article about a robbery it will say "the suspect is a male between 5'8"-6" and 175 pounds" The article will NOT say "the suspect is a black male...."

Revealing that the suspect is a minority is racist.

This thread could have been created without the video. The video reveals the ethnicity of the perp and that knowledge will taint the viewer's opinion of that race.

Read the comments to the video and see how the ethnicity of the individuals in the video have affected the commenters' opinion of that race.

Check your privilege and learn how to treat minorities with respect in 2015.

It must get pretty warm in that hugbox sometimes.
Nobody was commenting on her race until you came along and mentioned it. They were commenting on actions alone, and nothing else. And we are the racist ones?

"Check your privilege" maybe go check your tumblr account and stick to that.

 

[littleblackegg]

The video's not racist. It just as easily could have been some white/asian/hispanic/other folk duking it out. It happens often enough.

The website where the video is in does have some very racist comments though. In the "rabidly racist drunk uncle" kind of vein.

Brawls seem to happen plenty of times at Disney, from the many threads/stories I've read through the years. Just do a search on fights/brawl or other such terms. They seem to happen more during the extreme crowded times.

Plus some folks are just innate @holes. Some just tend to go into that mode during vacations. Some go into it after a long hot day surrounded by grumpy crowds with kids screaming like maniacs after long days at the park. And they tend to get even saints into "I WILL DESTROY YOU!!" mode. It doesn't make the fights right, though.

It was a difficult lesson for me to accept-some people live in communities and have cultures in which adults get into actual, physical fights with each other. As shocking as this was to me, I had to accept this is a societal norm for some people. I think you will only see fights break out in extreme heat or extreme crowds amongst people who are more likely to behave that way to begin with. The conditions for people who don't normally behave this way to start hitting people would have to be super extreme. Like life-threatening extreme. We've all been at Disney in sizzling 100+ nightmare heat, but I can't imagine any of us fist fighting. I can see myself fighting for a bottle of water in some post-apocalyptic survival nightmare, but I can't see myself actually hitting someone because of their anger or rudeness or threats. No matter how warm I am. It's just not how I function.