20lbs vs 200lbs

[SandrA9810]

I'm not trying to get into details of every other life aspect, just this one.

Since about the beginning of the year, I've been trying to get rid of my tummy. Not so much working out extensively or focusing on it, but just generally overall healthier choices. I'd love to loose about 20lbs, but I doubt it would happen with just healthier choices.
Now I'm living with some one that needs to loose about 200lbs. But I don't know where to start entirely. We go walking every day, or swimming at his aunt's house. So there's very few lazy days. My biggest focus is on food. I don't think he's ever been offered a well rounded healthy meal in his life. Veggies are crossed off the list, and everything he eats is centered around starches and meat.

My other issue is his mother undermining everything that I do. She doesn't cook anything, unless I'm cooking something. If I try to fix a nice meal, she fixes a "favorite". Since they're mexican, I don't cook the same foods. And she douses everything in oil. Pretty much eggs, fried potatoes, and some disgustingly high fatty meat. (yes it's a huge competition over me, and everything I do, because I'm some how taking her son away from her).


So where do I start, and how can I get him to like veggies??
My goal is two meatless, two fish (one light white fish, one high in fish oil like salmon), one chicken, one white meat, one red meat meal a week.
But potatoes or pasta wind up being a major portions in the meal.

For breakfast, it's usually eggs, with biscuits or english muffin. Sometimes jimmy dean reduced fat sausage or bacon. I would like to make pancakes, but haven't bought anything yet for it. Once in a while, I make sausage gravy and biscuits.
For dinner, I always try to serve a salad. For him, it's just the spring mix (which has spinach leaves, but don't tell him that) and a bit of cheddar cheese. I either use the fresh salad ceaser mix (only using a little bit of dressing) or a house salad with lettuce, tomatoes, cheddar, and a bit of balsamic vinaigrette.

If I ask him to eat the vegetables with his dinner, he looses his appetite and then eats what his mom makes. So I need more creative ways including it without it being a major taste factor. I'm hoping the theory 21 days makes it a habit, maybe he'll eventually learn to like them on their own.

 

[SandrA9810]

And he has seen a doctor in the past year, everything is normal except a slight increase in blood pressure, which runs in the family. Of course most of the family has weight issues.

 

[redlight]

I don't really have advice for you about the person you live with. Good luck!

I can say that I lost 30 lbs mainly through healthier choices, smaller portions, and exercise. I still struggle keeping it off, and would like to lose a few more, but it has worked.

 

[cewait]

I think you have nailed the problem and need a life changing event to assist in creating the change of habit. Note that you are attempting to climb Mt Everest and hve no sherpas to carry your gear. The enebling interference will always be a road block unless you can help her understand that she also has a problem. The difficult issue then becomes you against her and you know how that conflict no matter how minor of good intentioned will end.

What you need is an ally who will be the bad actor in this while you can remain the freindly actor. The better bet here would be a good friend who is trim and fit - if one exists. He can lead by example and help start the conversion. Short of that control what you can control - your diet, weight and health. Live your life the way you know you should and pray that he sees the result and follows on his own accord.

Good luck

 

[Funball]

Hi my name I sara I was posting in anoter thread on weight loss..but my posts were getting ignored so I decided to move to this one,

I was super fat 5 months ago .. at my peak was 155lbs. I am 30 and 5 foot nothing(5’ 0”). Now I am down to 130 in less then 4 months. To me this is a big deal, I don’t get much support for it ..but oh well at least i know i am doing well. I really had to cut certain stuff from my life in order to loos 24 pounds in 4 months. It’s hard at first, but it gets better….

 

[Rose&Mike]

OP-- to you. It sounds like you are trying really hard to make some good choices, and that you may be really worried about your friends long term health. I think, having learned this the hard way, that you can only change yourself. The other person has to want to change, and in this case you have two people with some not so great choices. I think you just need to keep offering good choices, cooking healthy food, offering veggies in interesting ways and make the best choices that you can. Hopefully, with continued exposure your friend will see you getting healthy, and choose to join you.

One suggestion is maybe you could help the Mom make her dishes a little healthier--use olive oil, make traditional dishes with healthier cuts of meat, etc.

Hang in there and good luck!

 

[Zoesmama03]

It can be hard but the best thing you can do is model it. Do it yourself and in time he will see your changes and work over.

I don't think anyone learns to like veggies over night in adulthood when they weren't around has a child. Its amazing that my family ate a lot of fresh veggies yet all buy one of us are really overweight. You can't force it but if he sees you doing it in time he may try them more.

I know the struggle to eat well when you are living with someone with different eating ideals than yourself. It sounds like he is willing to try some but it may take time.

 

[NancyIL]

In September, start watching The Biggest Loser together.

 

[SandrA9810]

He's on board with losing wieght. He's just not thrilled about eating veggies. The first week I made him try every veggie I cooked and he acted like he was about to gag on it. Spinach managed to rank highest in edibility, followed by peas if downed with water, and green beans were the worst gag trick ever. For everything else I make, he likes.

He does have a friend that lost weight through weight training, but he's not really into that. Nor do we really have the money for a gym membership. Even if he doesn't get down to ideal weight, I want him to feel what it's like to eat healthy. Just by not choosing greased down, oiled down food.

His mother is no help at all. She doesn't listen to a word of advice I give her. She also lives her life off of diet pills, magic pills, and whatever non-eating diet you can think of. She also has plenty of health issues because of it. She also likes to yell at his sister that she's fat and she needs to loose weight. And turns around and mocks him for "being on a diet".... which I didn't realize eating a non-greased down balanced meal was a diet.
The rest of his family is on my side and tries to help him along. Like I said his aunt has a pool, and her hubby encourages him to do some laps in the pool along with all the horsing around he does with his cousin. His uncle, cousin's dad, goes to the park with his two kids so his daughter can practice for soccer. And he manages to get both boys working out, jogging, sprinting, kicking the ball around. If his uncle doesn't go to the park, then we just walk laps around.

And good job for you sara. I'm about 5'3-4" and 145. Up until I was about 21 I was only 110lbs. And then working, stress, and living cheaply caused it to go up over the past 5yrs. I'd love to look like I did back then, and even hang onto my favorite pair of high school jeans. But I just don't think my body will ever get that slim again. It is a huge struggle when you only need those few pounds. I could probably work to get it off, but I doubt I'd be able to keep it off. I'm working on trying to cut out the bad stuff, but flavored drinks are my biggest enemy. Water has yet to become my biggest fan. I think I'm more focused on maintaining, just cause I don't want to end up looking my aunt or my mom. And loosing will just boost my ego.

 

[SandrA9810]

I need recipe ideas. I try searching stuff on allrecipes.com but I can't usually find anything to make that sounds good, or that I have all the ingredients to.

Meats - Chicken, turkey, porkchops, ground beef, steak, beef brisket, meatloaf, salmon, talapia, sausage, and bacon
main dishes - pasta, rice, pasta sauce, eggs. Me) alfredo sauce
Sides - Potatoes, corn. Me) brocolli, spinach, peas, string. Him) pinto beans
breads - loaf bread, biscuits, english muffins. Me)bagels
Fruits - watermelon, apples, strawberries. Me) cantelope, honey dew, oranges, raw carrots
drinks - milk, oj. Me)apple juice

These are some of the things I know how to make, and that he likes. The "Me" parts are things that i eat, but he won't. So those are some of the things I'd like to mix into a meal without being obvious. I'm sure there's some more veggies that I like but those are my favorites and things that I use the most often.

I know beans are good for you and all, but I've never used them for cooking, so I don't know how to make them or incorperate them into a meal. I'm guess they'd be a good substitute over a starch for him, and I can add some more green veggie to my dish since I'm not a fan of beans at all.
I also try to buy the good for you stuff, avoiding HFCS and sweetners. So like the ragu chunky sauce, or brown rice, HFCS free bread and bagels.

 

[PebblesMK]

I need recipe ideas. I try searching stuff on allrecipes.com but I can't usually find anything to make that sounds good, or that I have all the ingredients to.

Meats - Chicken, turkey, porkchops, ground beef, steak, beef brisket, meatloaf, salmon, talapia, sausage, and bacon
main dishes - pasta, rice, pasta sauce, eggs. Me) alfredo sauce
Sides - Potatoes, corn. Me) brocolli, spinach, peas, string. Him) pinto beans
breads - loaf bread, biscuits, english muffins. Me)bagels
Fruits - watermelon, apples, strawberries. Me) cantelope, honey dew, oranges, raw carrots
drinks - milk, oj. Me)apple juice

These are some of the things I know how to make, and that he likes. The "Me" parts are things that i eat, but he won't. So those are some of the things I'd like to mix into a meal without being obvious. I'm sure there's some more veggies that I like but those are my favorites and things that I use the most often.

I know beans are good for you and all, but I've never used them for cooking, so I don't know how to make them or incorperate them into a meal. I'm guess they'd be a good substitute over a starch for him, and I can add some more green veggie to my dish since I'm not a fan of beans at all.
I also try to buy the good for you stuff, avoiding HFCS and sweetners. So like the ragu chunky sauce, or brown rice, HFCS free bread and bagels.

I sent you a PM, but in case you get to this first. Check out the book "The Sneaky Chef; How to cheat on your man (in the kitchen)"

Here is an example of a recipe. This is a favorite of a lot of people I know. http://www.thesneakychef.com/free_recipe_barbell_burgers.php They are just burgers, but with the healthy part hidden!

 

[SandrA9810]

I'll have to buy that when I go back to Dallas, so he doesn't know about it. And I can try some of the recipes on my aunt and grandmother. Everything I make already tastes differently that what he's used to. So adding something like that in to a new meal, he wouldn't even notice a difference. He'll just chalk it up to my crazy white cooking.

 

[Zoesmama03]

What form are the veggies(ie. canned, frozen, fresh)?? It may make a difference in what becomes palatable to him.

My brother learned to make these yummy green beans with onions and you basically (grill or bake usually) cook them in Italian dressing. I used the olive oil and vinegar dressing the last time and it was the same outcome. He may like something like that to get warmed up to them. My dd loves these if its kid approved it may be approved by him. Then again my kid isn't typical and loves green beans plain too.

For carrots try sweeter seasonings like all spice and margarine butter(to start with for him anyway).


Also I used to grate up carrots into risotto. I made rice with grated carrots and tomatoes and just add a jar of spaghetti sauce and the little one I sat for that only ate corn and corn only would gobble it up none the wiser. His mom was kinda shocked. He was one to pick veggies out.

 

[SandrA9810]

I generally use frozen veggies, but I like fresh too. There's a few things I can get fresh at the farmer's market on the weekends.

I learned last night that he loves roasted garlic potatoes. I used a tablespoon of pesto sauce mixed with the cut up potatoes. Maybe I can try mixing in a few good things with it next time.

 

[pjlla]

Hi my name I sara I was posting in anoter thread on weight loss..but my posts were getting ignored so I decided to move to this one,

I was super fat 5 months ago .. at my peak was 155lbs. I am 30 and 5 foot nothing(5’ 0”). Now I am down to 130 in less then 4 months. To me this is a big deal, I don’t get much support for it ..but oh well at least i know i am doing well. I really had to cut certain stuff from my life in order to loos 24 pounds in 4 months. It’s hard at first, but it gets better….

First of all.... I'm sorry you were getting ignored on whatever thread you posted on before, but this is sort of another conversation. I am TRULY not trying to be harsh... but SandrA9810 was asking for help and advise for her situation and you are going to get ignored AGAIN if you hop on this thread. Post your own new thread with the information you gave us here and I'm sure that plenty of us will be happy to talk about weight loss and such with you. Or feel free to join on of the existing "group" threads. I'd love to see you over on the BL challenge thread. Plenty of helpful advise to be found. Just jump on and introduce yourself.


OP......here is my take on this situation. My first guess would be that your DBF is the baby in his family. That would answer a few things about why his mother continues to "kill him with kindness" so to speak, with the unhealthy foods. Secondly, it is entirely possible the his Mom has NO IDEA what a healthy meal looks like and hence, cannot prepare one for him. If they have all grown up eating this oil, greasy, fried, fatty-meat stuff, then that is all they know!

He is acting like a CHILD about the veggies and no one can change that but HIM! You can continue to prepare a large variety of veggies in different ways for him to try, but ultimately the choice is his to either try them or not. And the whole gagging is kind of baby-ish. I wouldn't allow it from my kids. And hiding the veggies might work well for kids... they need to eat healthy as they are growing... and they could/should eventually learn to like a wide variety of vegetables, if they are continually exposed to them. But it seems silly for adults. He wouldn't be LEARNING anything about healthy eating... and that is a huge KEY to the success of weight loss.

Here is a list from your post about recipes, etc....

Meats - Chicken, turkey, porkchops, ground beef, steak, beef brisket, meatloaf, salmon, talapia, sausage, and bacon

I would eliminate the beef brisket to start with.... too fatty. I would really watch the fat content in the ground beef... should be 10% or less. Meatloaf is made with what?? And personally... the sausage and the bacon should disappear as well... even if the fat content were within reason (which they really aren't), they are loaded with nitrites and nitrates that are super unhealthy. Plus they are a trigger food for some people. Can you (or he) really enjoy just one or two slices of bacon.... or does he consider 6-8 pieces the norm?? The chicken and turkey (skinless), steak (filet is less fatty than t-bone or skirt), salmon, and tilapia are all fine if prepared properly.

main dishes - pasta, rice, pasta sauce, eggs. Me) alfredo sauce Pasta should be whole wheat or at least high fiber. Rice should ALWAYS be brown, pasta sauce should have very little sugar. Eggs are fine in moderation... perhaps one whole egg plus two egg whites to start. Eventually just egg whites would be a better choice. Alfredo sauce is heart-attack on a plate... ditch it entirely unless you are making your own with a low fat recipe.

Sides - Potatoes, corn. Me) brocolli, spinach, peas, string. Him) pinto beans

White potatoes should be eaten in moderation.... sweet potatoes are healthier. Corn... your choice. Since it is actually a grain it counts as a starch on most diet plans. And your body sees it as sugar. Broccoli, spinach, and green beans are fine... no butter, lightly steamed is best, but you could use a bit of EVOO on them if that would make them more palatable. Peas are a starch, like the corn. Pinto beans... excellent source of fiber and protein, as long as they are prepared without lots of added fat, salt, sugar, etc. And I would certainly consider them part of my main dish... protein, not necessarily just a side dish.

breads - loaf bread, biscuits, english muffins. Me)bagels

You didn't mention, but the bread, english muffins, and bagel should all be whole wheat. And just to give some perspective on portion size.... the average large bagel (think Dunkin Donuts size) without butter or cream cheese is about 8 points on weight watchers.... and I am currently allowed 18 basic points per day! So if I was counting calories, that would be nearly half of my day's calories.

Fruits - watermelon, apples, strawberries. Me) cantelope, honey dew, oranges, raw carrots

All excellent choices. hard to go wrong with fruit.... just watch the portions.

drinks - milk, oj. Me)apple juice

Milk should be skim or 1% and no more than 3 servings per day probably would be best. OJ is concentrated sugar... you would be better off eating the actual orange... personally, I would limit this to one small serving per day... perhaps 1/2 C... same with the apple juice.


Here are a few other ideas...

try roasting some of the veggies in the oven. Asparagus, cauliflower, and winter squashes are all delicious roasted in the oven... they get a bit sweet and nutty.

shish-ke-bob on the grill... easy way to include veggies and meat together.

stir-fry is another way to make the main dish a combination of meat and veggies.

set a good example... be sure you are eating and enjoying your veggies when you are having meals together... but I wouldn't push them on him. Offer them and then end it.

Anyhow... I could go on and on, but I've had my minute on the soapbox. I will just conclude with saying... he will either DO THIS FOR HIMSELF or he won't. You can't do it for him.... his mother can't do it for him. If he decides he wants to lead a healthier, more active lifestyle, he will start to make the changes for himself. SUre, you can help.... and it definitely DOESN'T make it any easier when his Mom offers the wrong foods. But HE is the one that needs to stand up to his Mom and say NO THANKS to the "poison" that she is feeding him... and that is truly what it is. SHe is killing him slowly with that junk. But I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she doesn't have the knowledge of how bad those foods are.

(And yes, I know what I am talking about.... I have lost 90 pounds and live with a darling DH who needs to lose about 100 pounds and his mother would "cookie" him to death if we lived closer!! She is a sweetheart, but can't help offering "baked love" to her baby!!)

Good for you on choosing a healthier lifestyle for yourself. Lead by example. Good luck...........P

 

[SandrA9810]

He's not the baby, he's a good 6-7yrs older than his sister. She's the one that's been babied to death. Gets away with anything and everything in this house.

I know he has to be the one to change about his eating habits. But there's several times I don't like a particular way a dish is prepared, but it doesn't mean I don't like the main ingredient.

Meats I try to keep in control of the portions. Like when I fix bacon, it's only 2 slices (and he's fine with that), 2-3 eggs fried or scrambled, and either toast or an english muffin (no butter). For dinner meats, I try to make it only 4-6oz in the serving. I know he's not going to loose his appetite over night. And I try to fill him up with my food. So if his mother does offer something to him, he'll eat less of it. But I've noticed him denying her regular standby food. He only eats it if it's something better than usual.

Before I came around, she wouldn't fix anything. So he ate a lot of delivery and burritos from taco trucks. But breakfast lunch and dinner, it all seems the same, when it comes to her cooking.

I'm not gonna go on a total health nut diet. I enjoy food too much to cut it out entirely from my diet. But I do lessen how much I eat of certain things. Like sausage, I just use a small portion each time I make it. But I only make it once every few weeks. So it's not a staple of each breakfast. Same thing with bacon, it's a once in a while thing.

I can't just throw a plate of veggies in front of him and expect him to eat it for dinner. That just makes an invitation for him to go eat something different.

And as far as the green beans... that was the first veggie I offered him, so it was an open invitation for that sort of reaction. And I do consider corn a starch, not a veggie. I didn't realize peas were considered a starch too.

I use thomas english muffins and bagels. Oraweat for bread. I use regular pasta and brown rice. I need to be able to go to different grocery stores and do some price comparisons and see what each store offers. None of the stores here are like the ones in florida. And since most the stores are mexican stores, the offer a lot of the cheap bad food for cheap, and the good for you stuff is over priced. But time with the car is limited, and it's hard to do something like that.

Once we get an apartment, things will change. And there will be less bad things available. That's just going to take a while. So in the mean time, it's getting him introduced to my white cooking.

 

[SandrA9810]

You know like in the movie Matilda, where the principal is just so crazy and insane that no parent would believe their child?? That's kind of the case with his mother.

Sometimes it's just so much easier to eat out than to deal with her. It's not good for either one of us. Just makes me feel like I'm letting him down, because even if he won't always say my food is great, he still always asks me to make him something.


BTW, how much is too much fruit. I'm guilty of eating baskets of strawberries in one day, or a whole melon. When we get home from the flea market, the first thing I do is cut up all the fruit and place it into ziploc bags. And since I get more and more fruit every weekend, it usually eat it all by then. But I can eat a bag of cut up melon in no time at all.

 

[SandrA9810]

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[pjlla]

He's not the baby, he's a good 6-7yrs older than his sister. She's the one that's been babied to death. Gets away with anything and everything in this house.

I know he has to be the one to change about his eating habits. But there's several times I don't like a particular way a dish is prepared, but it doesn't mean I don't like the main ingredient.

Meats I try to keep in control of the portions. Like when I fix bacon, it's only 2 slices (and he's fine with that), 2-3 eggs fried or scrambled, and either toast or an english muffin (no butter). For dinner meats, I try to make it only 4-6oz in the serving. I know he's not going to loose his appetite over night. And I try to fill him up with my food. So if his mother does offer something to him, he'll eat less of it. But I've noticed him denying her regular standby food. He only eats it if it's something better than usual.

Let's me play the devil's advocate here. Let's assume you had the 2 slices of bacon, the 2 eggs scrambled without any added fat, and a regular english muffin, dry... that would be the smallest portion of the breakfast you mentioned.

2 large eggs = 150 calories

2 thin slices bacon = 80 calories

2 oz english muffin = 140 calories

Not bad at 370 calories.... but that is assuming everything dry (no butter, no margarine, no jam) and assuming the smallest of the portions you mentioned, and no drink (no coffee with cream/sugar, no juice, no milk).

If you are trying to stick with a theoretical 1200 calories per day, that is 1/3 of your daily calories. Not bad at all! But are you/he truly eating JUST THAT for breakfast? And assuming that lunch and dinner are each also about 400 calories, that doesn't leave you any calories left for snacks. And even without butter or margarine, you are consuming a large amount of (unhealthy) fat for breakfast.

For dinner meats, 4 oz might be okay, depending on what kind of meat it is. I would probably never serve a 6 oz serving of meat, unless it was fish.

You mentioned before that beef brisket is one of your standard meats. A standard 3 oz portion of marbled beef brisket (the grade between the lean and the fatty), braised, is 250 calories. Put that along side a plain 7 oz baked potato (which is a large potato) at 220 calories and you are at 470 with no other sides, no butter or margarine or sour cream, no sauces/gravies, no added fat during the cooking, and no drinks (other than water).

Do you see where I am going with this? I think your portions are out of whack. I think you need to do some reading and research to start discovering that healthy portions sizes should be.

Before I came around, she wouldn't fix anything. So he ate a lot of delivery and burritos from taco trucks. But breakfast lunch and dinner, it all seems the same, when it comes to her cooking.

I'm not gonna go on a total health nut diet. I enjoy food too much to cut it out entirely from my diet. But I do lessen how much I eat of certain things. Like sausage, I just use a small portion each time I make it. But I only make it once every few weeks. So it's not a staple of each breakfast. Same thing with bacon, it's a once in a while thing.

And you are right to do that. EVERYTHING IN MODERATION is a great key to success. But try to keep in mind that things like sausage and bacon should be considered little treats... or even condiments... not a main dish or main source of protein for a meal.

I'm laughing about the taco truck... never heard of that! We only have ice cream trucks here in New England... DS would LOVE a taco truck!

I can't just throw a plate of veggies in front of him and expect him to eat it for dinner. That just makes an invitation for him to go eat something different.

And as far as the green beans... that was the first veggie I offered him, so it was an open invitation for that sort of reaction. And I do consider corn a starch, not a veggie. I didn't realize peas were considered a starch too.

I use thomas english muffins and bagels. Oraweat for bread. I use regular pasta and brown rice. I need to be able to go to different grocery stores and do some price comparisons and see what each store offers. None of the stores here are like the ones in florida. And since most the stores are mexican stores, the offer a lot of the cheap bad food for cheap, and the good for you stuff is over priced. But time with the car is limited, and it's hard to do something like that.

Once we get an apartment, things will change. And there will be less bad things available. That's just going to take a while. So in the mean time, it's getting him introduced to my white cooking.

Well... I disagree with the reaction to the green beans. There have been plenty of times when I've introduced something new or unusual or unexpected to my family... and other than when my son was a toddler, I would never expect or tolerate a gagging reaction (unless there was truly a physical reason, like a food allergy). I mean, this is FOOD you are giving him, not trash or manure!!

The Thomas's english muffins and bagels are pretty big. You might want to start considering eating just a half.

Things will NOT change once you are in an apartment unless your DBF WANTS them to change. He is still an adult and will still be able to get/eat the foods he wants, if he wants to! You CANNOT control what he buys and eats when he is not with you. He needs to make the healthy choices for himself! It's the old..."You can lead a horse to water...." scenario. Sure, you can try to make it easier by keeping the junk out of the cupboards and serving healthy tasty meals... but ultimately it is UP TO HIM.

You know like in the movie Matilda, where the principal is just so crazy and insane that no parent would believe their child?? That's kind of the case with his mother.

Sometimes it's just so much easier to eat out than to deal with her. It's not good for either one of us. Just makes me feel like I'm letting him down, because even if he won't always say my food is great, he still always asks me to make him something.


BTW, how much is too much fruit. I'm guilty of eating baskets of strawberries in one day, or a whole melon. When we get home from the flea market, the first thing I do is cut up all the fruit and place it into ziploc bags. And since I get more and more fruit every weekend, it usually eat it all by then. But I can eat a bag of cut up melon in no time at all.

Even though fruit is healthy....and it isn't usually the reason we end up fat, it is still CALORIES and there are still portions that are normal. For most of the higher water fruits, like watermelon, 1 cup is considered a serving... same with strawberries and blueberries. I believe a 1/4 of a medium cantaloupe is considered a serving. Half a banana is considered a serving on Weight Watchers.

I don't know that it is a matter of "too much fruit", but you could certainly easily eat yourself over your daily calories by eating too much fruit and it could certainly cause some gastric distress! But if you are eating the fruit in lieu of a candy bar, I say go for it! .............P

 

[Silent1CB]

I don't like vegies either. Best advice I ever heard or read, can't remember where, was that it didn't need to be a vegie. Fruit would do just fine too. So I eat the vegies I like, and fruit to make up the rest.