2042 Expiration

Please find me the language in the contract
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Use Year is a "successive 12 months period." Not "a pro-rated two month period." If you own the contract on December 1, 2041, your Vacation Ownership Plan and Ownership Interest are still active.

On December 1, 2041:
✅ First day of December?
✅ Ownership interest still active?
✅ Vacation Ownership plan still active?
Ergo, a new Use Year, which is a "successive 12 month period" kicks off.

I suppose you can read "...so long as the Vacation Ownership Plan continues" as truncating the Use Year when the ownership interest expires, but I don't. I read it as cutting of a subsequent Use Year from kicking off on December 1, 2042.
 
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Use Year is a "successive 12 months period." Not "a pro-rated two month period." If you own the contract on December 1, 2041, your Vacation Ownership Plan and Ownership Interest are still active.

On December 1, 2041:
✅ First day of December?
✅ Ownership interest still active?
✅ Vacation Ownership plan still active?
Ergo, a new Use Year, which is a "successive 12 month period" kicks off.

I suppose you can read "...so long as the Vacation Ownership Plan continues" as truncating the Use Year when the ownership interest expires, but I don't. I read it as cutting of a subsequent Use Year from kicking off on December 1, 2042.

Actually, I think you found the key words that support no use after expiration.

It’s says for the successive 12 month Period as long as the vacation ownership plan continues and we know that the vacation ownership plan ends January 31st, 2042.

Here is the definition of the vacation ownership plan.
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I would bet that is why it is written like that because they know that the last UY of all the resorts will not give a full 12 months except to those who have a Feb UY.

ETA: And here is where is says that the vacation ownership plan terminates when the condominium terminates.
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Actually, I think you found the key words that support no use after expiration.

It’s says for the successive 12 month Period as long as the vacation ownership plan continues and we know that the vacation ownership plan ends January 31st, 2042.

Here is the definition of the vacation ownership plan.
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I would bet that is why it is written like that because they know that the last UY of all the resorts will not give a full 12 months except to those who have a Feb UY.
Agree to disagree I guess. I'm with you that Vacation Ownership Plan and Ownership Interest expire all at the same time regardless of UY. I just think all the final UYs are 12 month terms, they just have to start the clock on the 12 months prior to the Ownership Plan's expiration.

It's like...

If Magic Kingdom closes at 9:00, as long as you get in line for Mine Train at 8:59, they're going to let you ride even if you don't reach boarding until after "the park is closed."

It's also just common sense. February owners got to start using their points before December owners did, so it makes sense for December owners to continue using their points after February owners can't. Otherwise, February owners would actually own a fractionally higher percentage of each unit than their December counterparts, which we know isn't true.
 
Agree to disagree I guess. I'm with you that Vacation Ownership Plan and Ownership Interest expire all at the same time regardless of UY. I just think all the final UYs are 12 month terms, they just have to start the clock on the 12 months prior to the Ownership Plan's expiration.

It's like...

If Magic Kingdom closes at 9:00, as long as you get in line for Mine Train at 8:59, they're going to let you ride even if you don't reach boarding until after "the park is closed."

It's also just common sense. February owners got to start using their points before December owners did, so it makes sense for December owners to continue using their points after February owners can't. Otherwise, February owners would actually own a fractionally higher percentage of each unit than their December counterparts, which we know isn't true.

I added more language about when the vacation ownership plan terminates above and matches what you posted that it is only 12 months unless the plan ends,

So, the documents pretty much say no use after that date. But, DVD can adjust the rules for banking, borrowing, and home resort priority period to help all owners use their points.

They could potentially even remove the resorts from BVTC so that only home resort points can be used those last few years to ensure all owners can use their points, including letting the borrowing rules be case by case based on UY.
 
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So, the documents pretty much say no use after that date. But, DVD can adjust the rules to help all owners use their points. They could potentially even remove the resorts from BVTC so that only home resort points can be used those last few years to help.
Which underscores how screwy the Old Key West situation is.
 
I've seen speculation for years that DVD may well demolish the older 2042 resorts at contract expiration and build new ones in their place rather than attempting to renovate a 25+-year-old structure. Given deterioration due to the extremes of both time and Florida weather, I can see that being somewhat less costly and far more practical.
BC/BW are too good in location. They'll put in a tower of some kind, and slap some paint on the other one until they can tear it down also.
 
I could be 95 in 2042, or not. We recently asked our DSs if they were interested in points, and they were. This answer was a surprise to us. We mainly own 2042 points, most direct.

We still use our 1500 points. I have offered some ‘23 points for rent through a broker, but it’s not happening. That’s OK, we will use them. However at some point I think we need to talk to our DSs again and this time bring up the costs of membership. Do they want the bill for the points they say they want?
 
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Which underscores how screwy the Old Key West situation is.

Exaclty why it is a mess because when the extended the ground lease of the POS, they automatically did extend the entire resort and vacation ownership plan.

Its why they make original owners sign the quit claim deed when they sell So it reverts to DVD in 2042.

But there are going to be original owners who didn’t sell and didn’t pay so no idea how that will work because technically they have access through 2057.

I Think it’s also why they haven’t and won’t do any extensions at the 2042 because it really has to be everyone or no one.
 
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This can all be handled with an extension offer at all the resorts that will fund refurbs. Could you imagine everyone borrowing all their points leading up to the expiration and not paying their dues?
 
This can all be handled with an extension offer at all the resorts that will fund refurbs. Could you imagine everyone borrowing all their points leading up to the expiration and not paying their dues?

That could end up being another reason borrowing gets suspended

But even so, the only ones who might be able to squeeze in a using borrowed points for the last set with out paying dues would be a Feb UY who booked first two weeks of Feb.

Accounts are locked if you don’t pay by Feb 15th so anyone who didn’t pay 2040 dues, wouldnt be able to use their membership.

Same in 2041…accounts would be locked if dues are not paid. It doesn’t seem like a plan for anyone who wants to use…but certainly could be an issue for those who just want to give those back early.

IIRC, DVC gets to rent out the points of those locked out for non payment as a way to recoup which they may not see as a bad deal.
 
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I've seen speculation for years that DVD may well demolish the older 2042 resorts at contract expiration and build new ones in their place rather than attempting to renovate a 25+-year-old structure. Given deterioration due to the extremes of both time and Florida weather, I can see that being somewhat less costly and far more practical.
They are renovating buildings built in the late 60's ( PVB and contemporary) why would they not renovate a newer hotel? 50 years old is nothing for a building
 
The property on which the DVC condominiums sit is owned by Walt Disney Parks and Resorts US, Inc. (WPDR) formerly known as Walt Disney World Co. (Worldco). Under separate leases, OKW, BWV, BCV, and BRV properties were leased by Worldco to DVD to allow DVD to build condominiums on the sites that would be part of the DVC family. Those leases are to expire 1/31/2042, unless formally extended. That extension happened at OKW which now does not expire until 2057.

That OKW extension was not the success Disney was hoping for as many did not extend and also did not sign documents needed to solidify that those who did not extend understood their interests still expired in 2042. Though an extension of the BCV. BWV and BRV resorts is a possibility, it is highly unlikely to happen (and probably already would have been done if DVD had any remaining plan to do one). Besides the lack of full success of the OKW extension, there are other issues that now make it unlikely for any extension to occur.

An extension mainly requires the resort to stay essentially what it is without major changes because those changes would require approval via the actual vote of the members. With an extension, and absent the actual vote of the members. DVD could not change the total ownership interests per unit, and thus could not raise the total points applicable to the resort and could not make any of the rooms cost more points per night than they do now, except via the allowed seasonal shift of points. DVD also could not do "Riviera" by taking away resale owners right to reserve other DVC resorts. In essence, doing an extension would contradict what has become obvious that the modern DVD wants -- resorts with higher points per-night year round for all rooms, and the limitation of rights of resale owners. Also, DVD, if it is considering it, could not do a major reconstruction project at the resorts that would for any extended period take all or most of the rooms out of service.

And the absence of a formal extension (or the creation of a new DVC resort with a new POS with ownership interests that could be purchased by existing owners who could then reserve rooms after 1/31/2042) is what assures that no existing owner of BWV, BCV, or BRV will be able to stay in a room at the resort past 1/31/2042. The documents clearly provide that ownership interests expire on that date leaving the members with absolutely nothing and thus no right to use the resort after 1/31/2042. Though not mentioned above, that is also expressly stated in the "Public Offering Statement Text" which appears in the Component Site POS document before the Declarations begin, which was given to each purchaser from DVD. As to ownership interests, a paragraph in that Text provides that ownership of the units shall be done in fee title with each owner having an undivided percentage interest of a unit. It expressly states that on 1/31/2042 the fee interest (meaning the ownership interest covered by your deed) will expire, the applicable DVC resort will no longer exist, the lease provided by Worldco will end, and all property at the resort will automatically revert to the ownership of Worldco (now WDPR). That can be avoided only by a proper extension of the resort that includes the extension of the lease from WDPR (which actually occurred at OKW).

In other words, the members deeds will be voided and members will not only have no right to use a room after January 31, 2042, but, absent a valid extension, all rights, interests, and powers concerning the property will belong solely to WDPR. The DVC entities you might deal with (such as DVCM, DVD, BVTC, and the Associations) themselves, absent a valid extension of the leases for BWV, BCV, and BRV, will have absolutely no right or power to grant you the ability to stay at the resort past 1/31/2042 even if you got down on your knees and begged for it.
 
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Stargazer65 is correct, as of early AM on February 1, 2042, those DVC points go poof! Anyone who owned points at those resorts on January 31 no longer owns any points there. I agree with Sandisw, it's likely that banking, borrowing and possibly the booking windows at those resorts will be modified for the last few years as well. But the people who will make those decisions at DVC are probably just graduating from business school now, so DH and I hope we're still around to find out what they do!
I just said something similar to my husband! We'll be in our early 80's! Our use year is October, so IF we get points October 2041 and IF we're still alive and able to travel, we most certainly plan to spend January 2042 there, IF that's a possibility! IF IF IF.....oh boy!

Welcome Home to the OP
 
The property on which the DVC condominiums sit is owned by Walt Disney Parks and Resorts US, Inc. (WPDR) formerly known as Walt Disney World Co. (Worldco). Under separate leases, OKW, BWV, BCV, and BRV properties were leased by Worldco to DVD to allow DVD to build condominiums on the sites that would be part of the DVC family. Those leases are to expire 1/31/2042, unless formally extended. That extension happened at OKW which now does not expire until 2057.

That OKW extension was not the success Disney was hoping for as many did not extend and also did not sign documents needed to solidify that those who did not extend understood their interests still expired in 2042. Though an extension of the BCV. BWV and BRV resorts is a possibility, it is highly unlikely to happen (and probably already would have been done if DVD had any remaining plan to do one). Besides the lack of full success of the OKW extension, there are other issues that now make it unlikely for any extension to occur.

An extension mainly requires the resort to stay essentially what it is without major changes because those changes would require approval via the actual vote of the members. With an extension, and absent the actual vote of the members. DVD could not change the total ownership interests per unit, and thus could not raise the total points applicable to the resort and could not make any of the rooms cost more points per night than they do now, except via the allowed seasonal shift of points. DVD also could not do "Riviera" by taking away resale owners right to reserve other DVC resorts. In essence, doing an extension would contradict what has become obvious that the modern DVD wants -- resorts with higher points per-night year round for all rooms, and the limitation of rights of resale owners. Also, DVD, if it is considering it, could not do a major reconstruction project at the resorts that would for any extended period take all or most of the rooms out of service.

And the absence of a formal extension (or the creation of a new DVC resort with a new POS with ownership interests that could be purchased by existing owners who could then reserve rooms after 1/31/2042) is what assures that no existing owner of BWV, BCV, or BRV will be able to stay in a room at the resort past 1/31/2042. The documents clearly provide that ownership interests expire on that date leaving the members with absolutely nothing and thus no right to use the resort after 1/31/2042. Though not mentioned above, that is also expressly stated in the "Public Offering Statement Text" which appears in the Component Site POS document before the Declarations begin, which was given to each purchaser from DVD. As to ownership interests, a paragraph in that Text provides that ownership of the units shall be done in fee title with each owner having an undivided percentage interest of a unit. It expressly states that on 1/31/2042 the fee interest (meaning the ownership interest covered by your deed) will expire, the applicable DVC resort will no longer exist, the lease provided by Worldco will end, and all property at the resort will automatically revert to the ownership of Worldco (now WDPR). That can be avoided only by a proper extension of the resort that includes the extension of the lease from WDPR (which actually occurred at OKW).

In other words, the members deeds will be voided and members will not only have no right to use a room after January 31, 2042, but, absent a valid extension, all rights, interests, and powers concerning the property will belong solely to WDPR. The DVC entities you might deal with (such as DVCM, DVD, BVTC, and the Associations) themselves, absent a valid extension of the leases for BWV, BCV, and BRV, will have absolutely no right or power to grant you the ability to stay at the resort past 1/31/2042 even if you got down on your knees and begged for it.
Damn. That was intense. Thank God for your last paragraph in layman speak!! :teeth:
 
You're entitled to the full allocation of points at the start of each Use Year. That means a December owner with a 200 point contract gets 200 points on December 1. Owners don't accrue the points as the year goes by. You don't need to own the resort when you stay there, you need to own the resort when the points are allocated, which is not after January 31st, 2042, it's December 1st, 2041.
You will get the points just less time to book anything unless they allow something like borrow from 2 years in advance.
 
You will get the points just less time to book anything unless they allow something like borrow from 2 years in advance.
Borrowing 2 years in advance would allow people to use all points 2 years in advance and then just stop paying MF.
I think they might actually ask an advance on projected MF if borrowing even just the last year of points.

Will this be the first time a lease expire on a points timeshare? Otherwise, how other systems have manager it? Wasn't DVC the first US timeshare to use points? I own the European timeshare which invented the point system and contracts (called shares) do not expire, so no reference there.
 
You will get the points just less time to book anything unless they allow something like borrow from 2 years in advance.
Except points are tied to inventory so it will be tricky in how they want to play it.

But, nothing prevents them from having different banking and borrowing rules for a 2042 resort than others.

The only thing that can not happen is use after expiration. And, as mentioned, MFs will play a role too so that’s why I do think we will see a suspension of borrowing in some way.
 
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Borrowing 2 years in advance would allow people to use all points 2 years in advance and then just stop paying MF.
I think they might actually ask an advance on projected MF if borrowing even just the last year of points.
Interesting. I don't even know how they could calculate that. Totally makes sense to me as a rule when they are expiring.

And def will melt Disney IT, LOL.
 
I think the OKW lease extension failed because it was done too early. If it would be offered now, 20 years out, they might have better luck.
 
Will we still be able to buy an annual pass in January 2042 if that is the last month we can use a resort?
 















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