2027 Points Charts Predictions

[Sandisw]

Can someone remind us who are newer how they adjusted SSR? Both times? Is it that they made the treehouses less expensive?

They sold the treehouse as the same cost of the 2 bedroom…then, when it was reaching sold out status..or maybe right after?…it was raised.

Now, there was a demand issue for them so that is what they said necessitated it…but, since those were declared later; they had to be units not tied to any of the other units.

For the sections, they just reclassified two as preferred and left the rest standard.

None of this has ever been challenged beyond inquiring with them to explain. And, of course, you can guess what the answer was.

 

[Cfabar1]

They sold the treehouse as the same cost of the 2 bedroom…then, when it was reaching sold out status..or maybe right after?…it was raised.

Now, there was a demand issue for them so that is what they said necessitated it…but, since those were declared later; they had to be units not tied to any of the other units.

For the sections, they just reclassified two as preferred and left the rest standard.

None of this has ever been challenged beyond inquiring with them to explain. And, of course, you can guess what the answer was.

How did they adjust the points to offset the increase in treehouse costs? Did they lower something else?

And I guess when they add preferred they had to lower the standard offering points as well?

 

[Sandisw]

How did they adjust the points to offset the increase in treehouse costs? Did they lower something else?

And I guess when they add preferred they had to lower the standard offering points as well?

Yes, they simple reallocated the chart for the entire resort…so total points still balanced against what was sold, but if they are supposed to stay neutral at rhe unit level too, then this did not do that.

 

[Tatebeck]

After looking at everything closely, I don't think they are necessarily doing anything sketchy with the old Poly rooms and bungalows. I think it is just a tiny bit of year to year turbulence. They increased the older rooms slightly less than the newer rooms IMO, so I think it is a bit of turbulence in the year to year charts and maybe a little bit of an extra bump on the newer rooms from some possible reclassifications at the same time.

I looked back at a couple of older charts from '22 and '23 and the new chart doesn't look out of line with them for the older rooms. In fact some of the busier times are cheaper now than they were then, while the cheaper times are slightly more expensive in '27 than they were in these older charts

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https://dvcsearch.com/wp-content/up...Villas-and-Bungalows-DVC-Point-Chart-2023.png

I think that is the best way to check if they are out of whack. check a few years back in a couple of different charts and see if they are substantially different.

I also discovered that there is 1 extra Friday and Saturday in 2026 than there will be in 2027. So if they kept the dates and point prices the exact same, the average night in 2026 would actually have been more expensive than in 2027.

The verbiage in the POS document says that "the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing 100% of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation” does NOT say that the total point cost every year has to be exactly the same as the unit total, just that they cannot use the allocations to actually change the ownership interests. And that is what I think the 20% change limit is for. They can vary from year to year up to 20% for various reasons and the wording is saying that these variations are allowed, and are not changing the ownership interest totals just because they vary from year to year as long as they return to the average

There can and will be variability from year to year (or even over a few years) for many reasons, varying number of weekends, leap years, no partial points (point rounding), a once in a lifetime special holiday season, etc. As long as they end up going back and averaging out to be the total number of points in each unit per year, then I think they are still within their contract limits.

Now if they keep increasing these 100% declared units /never have any of them go back down, then we may have a problem.

 

[Add-On-Itis]

I also discovered that there is 1 extra Friday and Saturday in 2026 than there will be in 2027. So if they kept the dates and point prices the exact same, the average night in 2026 would actually have been more expensive than in 2027.

Then, shouldn't all resorts have the same adjustment?

 

[Tatebeck]

Then, shouldn't all resorts have the same adjustment?

Depends on other factors like where they are at (on an up or down turbulence), point rounding, etc. A resort building up a point rounding difference at a 0.1pt rate vs a 0.4pt rate would have adjustments 4 times less often (like a resort where the actual points cost average should be exactly 21.1 points for a room but they charge 21 avg vs a resort where the average should be 21.4 but they charge 21 avg)

BWV had a slight increase on some low point rooms in the cheap season last year already, so maybe they just did theirs earlier. And AKV may have a bit of something built into their modifications this year as well. I am sure balancing these charts is an absolute PITA, so they probably just do the ones that are needed the most, then earmark others for work the following year or two, etc.