2027 Points Charts Predictions

[Cfabar1]

Thought I'd offer the other variable to the 2026 dues predictions...

Where do we think Points Charts will be in 2027?

I have a hunch they will keep them the same...

But, I also think that Winter needs to move up and Summer needs to move down... my gut tells me they won't do it right now...

 

[Sandisw]

My guess is they will be the same but given the supply and demand issue for some of the rooms at some resorts, I could see them do something.

Like, I’d love to see them close the gap a little between RV ans PV at RIV, especially for 1 bedrooms!!!

 

[Girlstar30]

They need to lower the pit tpv point cost its pretty ridiculous, but I dont know where they'll put them

 

[TheThousandthSoul]

Were there any significant moves in the last 5 years?

Could there be changes at AKL with the refurb? 1 point chart for Kidani rooms and another one for Jambo rooms?

 

[Cfabar1]

My guess is they will be the same but given the supply and demand issue for some of the rooms at some resorts, I could see them do something.

Like, I’d love to see them close the gap a little between RV ans PV at RIV, especially for 1 bedrooms!!!

Are they allowed to do that? I guess so as long as it is within the same room type?

 

[Cfabar1]

Were there any significant moves in the last 5 years?

Could there be changes at AKL with the refurb? 1 point chart for Kidani rooms and another one for Jambo rooms?

There were some proposed major changes once or twice (before I was a member)... and it really angered the membership...

Historically, the points chart is almost unrecognizable to where it began in 1991 with the Original Disney Vacation Club... Weeknights used to begin at 7 points a night, and September cost the same as January, Fall was one of the cheapest seasons, etc. I'm unsure if VB & HH points charts have changed a lot over the years...

 

[Brian Noble]

Like, I’d love to see them close the gap a little between RV ans PV at RIV, especially for 1 bedrooms!!!

Are they allowed to do that? I guess so as long as it is within the same room type?

Technically, no, because there are Units that have only one or the other, and the Home Resort Vacation Points in any Unit are required to remain constant in a given year. But that hasn't stopped them before---they have reallocated across Units in the past.

I do not think it will happen, though. I think in part because DVCMC had to undo the Base Year Shenanigans/Lockoff Premium charts after Members pushed back several years ago, and there's a chance that owners would complain about any other chagnes that don't comport with the documents in ways they might not have ten years ago. But the other reason is that there is an intertesting quirk about RIV: The Public Offering Statement lists the maximum reallocation point values for Standard (now Resort) and Preferred Vacation Homes seperately. That tells me that the Powers That Be think about them as different unit types. That was not done for e.g. BLT.

 

[Brian Noble]

In other words: Reallocating across views would almost certainly voilate the published Maximum Reallocation values, and I think that is very very unlikely.

 

[Hubalorian]

I think it will be the same. I really don’t think we will see a radically different point chart or changing the seasons

 

[VGCgroupie]

I feel like there will be minor tweaks but nothing significant

 

[Sandisw]

Technically, no, because there are Units that have only one or the other, and the Home Resort Vacation Points in any Unit are required to remain constant in a given year. But that hasn't stopped them before---they have reallocated across Units in the past.

I do not think it will happen, though. I think in part because DVCMC had to undo the Base Year Shenanigans/Lockoff Premium charts after Members pushed back several years ago, and there's a chance that owners would complain about any other chagnes that don't comport with the documents in ways they might not have ten years ago. But the other reason is that there is an intertesting quirk about RIV: The Public Offering Statement lists the maximum reallocation point values for Standard (now Resort) and Preferred Vacation Homes seperately. That tells me that the Powers That Be think about them as different unit types. That was not done for e.g. BLT.

They did not declare units by view so they can adjust.

The multi site POS even had language referring it.

As long as the points match total declared the flexibility exists.

Now, they can’t add the points or increase a lock off premium but closing the gap?

Nothing prevents that as long as units balance against declared.

The maximum reallocation chart would mean no difference in days so that gives an idea of what would happen if that was the chart.

Take BPK as an example…Unit 11 is 101 rooms with all three views.

Those total points can be divided up anyway they want.

 

[Brian Noble]

They did not declare units by view so they can adjust.

I don't think that's true. Look at the Riviera POS, specifically the Disney Vacation Club Membership Agreement, Section 3.3. It has the following langauge in the discussion of reallocation:

the total number of Home Resort Vacation Points existing within a given Unit (i.e., the amount of Home Resort Vacation Points representing one hundred percent (100%) of the Ownership Interests in a given Unit) at any time may not be increased or decreased because of any such reallocation.

Which by itself does not mean they can't. But, I am 99% sure that at least some declared Units have only Standard (now Resort) view rooms, and some others only have Preferred view rooms. (I can't currently pull the drawings from or.occompt.com, but I have in the past and this is my recollection.) If my recollection is correct, narrowing the gap between the two views across all seasons would necessarily raise the Home Resort Vacation Points in the fromer, and lower the Home Resort Vacation Points in the latter. The plain language in the Riviera POS seems to me to forbid that.

As always, not a lawyer, so my interpretation could be 100% wrong. But that's the way it reads to me.

I do recall the multi-site POS being more flexible, but that would only govern the allocation of DVC Vacation Points to each room---so they could narrow the gap for non-RIV owners, but I don't see how they could do that for RIV owners, because RIV owners use Home Resort Vacation Points to book RIV inventory, not DVC Vacation Points.

(As a reminder for those who haven't scoured the documents: When you make a reservation at a non-home resort, that is technically a converstion from Home Resort Vacation Points to DVC Vacation Points.)

 

[Brian Noble]

Take BPK as an example…Unit 11 is 101 rooms with all three views.

Agreed. And I suspect this is part of the reason why BPK was declared the way it was. But, RIV was not declared with e.g. whole floors as Units.

 

[disneylandtour]

September cost the same as January,

With studios, that is still "very close" to being true at some resorts, like Boardwalk.

 

[Sandisw]

Agreed. And I suspect this is part of the reason why BPK was declared the way it was. But, RIV was not declared with e.g. whole floors as Units.

It wasn’t, but they didn’t declare units based on views.

So, since they were not declared based on views, they have flexibility to shift between the views without violating the rules that the point charts can go across the resort.

I see nothing that prevents them from making RV more and PV less…