2026 Dues Predictions and Questions

[havoc315]

CCV, BRV, BWV, BCV, SSR all have great point charts and pretty great dues. BLT point chart is great if you are in resort view category and very low dues. Im not sure I am going to agree with this take at all.

You just proved my point. All those resorts have dues higher Poly and Grand Floridian. And their point charts are not nearly as cheap as Fort Wilderness and OKW.

Their point charts are in the middle, their dues are in the middle.

It’s not a perfect correlation as there are other factors. (BWV has a point chart similar to OKW but dues similar to BCV. BLT has a point chart similar to BCV but lower dues)

But overall, BRV, BCV, and BWV are among the highest dues at WDW. All 3 are in the $9 range. (No longer apples to apples with the non WDW resorts)

 

[PolyRob]

You just proved my point. All those resorts have dues higher Poly and Grand Floridian. And their point charts are not nearly as cheap as Fort Wilderness and OKW.

Their point charts are in the middle, their dues are in the middle.

It’s not a perfect correlation as there are other factors.

But BRV, BCV, and BWV are among the highest dues at WDW. All 3 are in the $9 range. (No longer apples to apples with the non WDW resorts)

BLT doesn't really fit this.

If you compare BLT and PVB they both have three similar view categories and are on the monorail. PVB requires a lot more points in every single category while BLT has larger units outside of deluxe studios and it's the closest walkable MK resort.

BLT and PVB dues are almost the same and BLT dues were cheaper than PVB before PVB IT brought down the price.

 

[Chili327]

You just proved my point. All those resorts have dues higher Poly and Grand Floridian. And their point charts are not nearly as cheap as Fort Wilderness and OKW.

Their point charts are in the middle, their dues are in the middle.

It’s not a perfect correlation as there are other factors. (BWV has a point chart similar to OKW but dues similar to BCV. BLT has a point chart similar to BCV but lower dues)

But overall, BRV, BCV, and BWV are among the highest dues at WDW. All 3 are in the $9 range. (No longer apples to apples with the non WDW resorts)

I’m sure there are charts out there showing the comparison for the different room sizes and views.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

The hard part with using historical data for dues is some resorts started really low.

Example, look at BLT when it opened in 2009. Oh boy do I miss those low dues. Many argued back then that Disney intentionally kept dues low until a resort sold out.

Aulani seemed to have changed the model because of the mistake.

Look at CCV when it opened. People were shocked at how high CCV was. IIRC, CCV started as the fourth highest at that time. However, it has been a slow riser.

We may see similar with CFW. Who knows?

Yeah- i purchased 100 points there when they first opened. I held back from buuing more because of the high mf back then

 

[VGCgroupie]

You just proved my point. All those resorts have dues higher Poly and Grand Floridian. And their point charts are not nearly as cheap as Fort Wilderness and OKW.

I have always seen these resorts to be close in points and sometimes even cheaper than OKW.

Their point charts are in the middle, their dues are in the middle.

Wrong.

It’s not a perfect correlation as there are other factors. (BWV has a point chart similar to OKW but dues similar to BCV. BLT has a point chart similar to BCV but lower dues)

But overall, BRV, BCV, and BWV are among the highest dues at WDW. All 3 are in the $9 range. (No longer apples to apples with the non WDW resorts)

$7.92 at Poly/VGF vs $8.49 at SSR is not that big of a dues spread at all.

The 2 bedroom at Poly is incredibly expensive point wise. 202 points at Poly for 3 nights in October vs 127 at SSR.

OKW dues are VERY high and there's really no selling point for it unless you love OKW or get a very low upfront price per point. The point chart for sure does not make up for the dues in any circumstance.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[Chili327]

OKW dues are VERY high and there's really no selling point for it unless you love OKW or get a very low upfront price per point. The point chart for sure does not make up for the dues in any circumstance.

Yep, I would actually love to own OKW, but not for $2+ more in dues, especially when I can just use BLT or any other points at 7 months. (Hopefully Aulani Sub, some day)

 

[VGCgroupie]

I have always seen these resorts to be close in points and sometimes even cheaper than OKW.

Wrong.


$7.92 at Poly/VGF vs $8.49 at SSR is not that big of a dues spread at all.

The 2 bedroom at Poly is incredibly expensive point wise. 202 points at Poly for 3 nights in October vs 127 at SSR.

OKW dues are VERY high and there's really no selling point for it unless you love OKW or get a very low upfront price per point. The point chart for sure does not make up for the dues in any circumstance.

We can agree to disagree.

I will add to this.
The same 3 nights at BWV in a 2 bedroom resort view is 129 points.

BWV is 147 for a 2 bed Boardwalk View or Poly Theme Park View 2 Bed is whopping 292 points. There is no world where Poly dues makes up for its points charts in the tower.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Yep, I would actually love to own OKW, but not for $2+ more in dues, especially when I can just use BLT or any other points at 7 months. (Hopefully Aulani Sub, some day)

Another non selling point for OKW and its dues. You can almost always book at 7 months with points that carry lower dues.

 

[DoubleBaconBLT]

I thought Moorea was rough this summer, too.

I stayed there last month and I thought it was fantastic! Full disclosure - it was my first stay ever in a deluxe resort at WDW, so maybe I'm just easy to please.

 

[havoc315]

BLT doesn't really fit this.

If you compare BLT and PVB they both have three similar view categories and are on the monorail. PVB requires a lot more points in every single category while BLT has larger units outside of deluxe studios and it's the closest walkable MK resort.

BLT and PVB dues are almost the same and BLT dues were cheaper than PVB before PVB IT brought down the price.

Correct — BLT doesn’t fit it. There are other factors, point chart is just one very significant factor. But there are other factors that also contribute.

But also don’t be surprised to see movement in this pattern — BLT dues increasing faster than Poly dues.

 

[havoc315]

I’m sure there are charts out there showing the comparison for the different room sizes and views.

And it’s not just room sizes. Maintenance dues go to the pools, property, etc.
So it’s pretty easy to see that AKV has higher dues to the Savannah. BLT may be the opposite — lower dues because of the minimal landscaping requirements.

But generally speaking, a cheaper point chart means a higher amount of the maintenance has to go on each point.

 

[PlutoNotPlanet]

Assuming cost of points are the same and availability is not a problem (apparently the ASSUMPTIONS ARE WRONG as cost can vary between $11-15 per point and you absolutely need home resort priority at certain resorts),
if all you calculate is cost per night in terms of dues/MF (might change depending on time of the year):

• BWV resort view is absolutely the winner of weekdays unless AKV Value is considered
• SSR is the lowest for weekends (surprise) and BWV next
• OKW is not bad for certain weekdays (e.g., 10pt/night and is actually #2, not much higher than BWV)

Even though I don’t love OKW or SSR after staying at both, they are not bad financially if you play wisely.

 

[havoc315]

I have always seen these resorts to be close in points and sometimes even cheaper than OKW.

Wrong.

Wrong? This is really easy:
Highest to lowest at WDW:
1. Fort Wilderness Cabins: $11.88
2. OKW - $10.56
3. AKV - $9.65
4. BRV - $9.19
5. BCV - $9.13
6. BWV - $9.06
7. RIV - $9.06
8. SSR- $8.54
9. CCV - $8.49
10. BLT- $8.02
11. GFV - $7.93
12. Poly - $7.93

So not wrong — exactly as I said, BCV/BWV/BRV are in the middle — 4, 5, and 6. (Actually, slightly more expensive than middle).

The 2 most expensive point charts have the lowest dues — Poly and GFV.
2 of the lowest point charts, OKW and Fort Wilderness cabins have the cheapest dues.

There certainly are other factors — I’d point charts were the ONLY factor, then BWV would be slotted even higher.

Of course, in looking at point charts for effect on dues, you can’t just look at the standard rooms. Maintenance of a resort view room is not less than maintaining a theme park view room.

So BLT actually has a very high chart, exposing the low dues:

1 BR unit comparison:
BCV- 251 for all 1 bedrooms
BLT - 233 points to 331 points per 1 bedroom.

So again, BLT is spreading their dues out over more points, and therefore BLT gets cheaper dues than BCV.

$7.92 at Poly/VGF vs $8.49 at SSR is not that big of a dues spread at all.

The 2 bedroom at Poly is incredibly expensive point wise. 202 points at Poly for 3 nights in October vs 127 at SSR.

OKW dues are VERY high and there's really no selling point for it unless you love OKW or get a very low upfront price per point. The point chart for sure does not make up for the dues in any circumstance.

We can agree to disagree.

Now you’re lost me. I’m doing simple math, nothing to disagree on.

If it costs $100 to maintain a room for a week:
If the room costs 10 points, then dues are $10 per point.
If the room costs 9 points, then dues are $11 per point.

Here is a simple fact:
For 1 week in summer, a 1 BR at OKW is 190 points. That’s $1996 in dues.

At Poly, a 1 bedroom is between 292 and 396 points - $2315 to $3140

So nothing to disagree on: it’s a fact that for a 1 week ownership in a 1 BR at OKW, the dues are significantly lower than for a 1 week ownership at Poly.

This isn’t about what you should buy or not buy. For that, there are subjective preferences, there is the question of whether you’re staying at your home resort or not. This is purely about how dues are calculated, and a huge driving force in the setting of dues.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Wrong? This is really easy:
Highest to lowest at WDW:
1. Fort Wilderness Cabins: $11.88
2. OKW - $10.56
3. AKV - $9.65
4. BRV - $9.19
5. BCV - $9.13
6. BWV - $9.06
7. RIV - $9.06
8. SSR- $8.54
9. CCV - $8.49
10. BLT- $8.02
11. GFV - $7.93
12. Poly - $7.93

So not wrong — exactly as I said, BCV/BWV/BRV are in the middle — 4, 5, and 6. (Actually, slightly more expensive than middle).

You just proved my point. All those resorts have dues higher Poly and Grand Floridian. And their point charts are not nearly as cheap as Fort Wilderness and OKW.

Their point charts are in the middle, their dues are in the middle.

It’s not a perfect correlation as there are other factors. (BWV has a point chart similar to OKW but dues similar to BCV. BLT has a point chart similar to BCV but lower dues)

But overall, BRV, BCV, and BWV are among the highest dues at WDW. All 3 are in the $9 range. (No longer apples to apples with the non WDW resorts)

You said points charts were in the middle, that is what I responding to and thats why I bolded it in my response. So I will stick with my statement of Wrong.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Here is a simple fact:
For 1 week in summer, a 1 BR at OKW is 190 points. That’s $1996 in dues.

At Poly, a 1 bedroom is between 292 and 396 points - $2315 to $3140

So nothing to disagree on: it’s a fact that for a 1 week ownership in a 1 BR at OKW, the dues are significantly lower than for a 1 week ownership at Poly.

This isn’t about what you should buy or not buy. For that, there are subjective preferences, there is the question of whether you’re staying at your home resort or not. This is purely about how dues are calculated, and a huge driving force in the setting of dues.

Now do BWV resort view and SSR and compare it. Again it's math. And the math leans in my favor.

 

[havoc315]

Right I get that. I am just pointing out how I don't see how saying OKW has high dues because the point chart is low is accurate when SSR is virtually the same point chart and much lower dues.

It’s nowhere close to the same point chart:
For ease, I’ve been running a 1 week summer stay:
Studios: OKW- 87
SSR: 102-113

1BR- OKW- 190
1 BR - SSR - 206-234

So for similar room size (dues don’t care about view), SSR is about 20% more points than OKW.

And lo and behold — dues at OKW are about 22% higher than at SSR.

So your example actually proves the hypothesis nearly perfectly.
Rooms at SSR “cost” approximately 20% more than OKW on average. Leading to the approximate 20% difference in dues.

 

[VGCgroupie]

It’s nowhere close to the same point chart:
For ease, I’ve been running a 1 week summer stay:
Studios: OKW- 87
SSR: 102-113

1BR- OKW- 190
1 BR - SSR - 206-234

So for similar room size (dues don’t care about view), SSR is about 20% more points than OKW.

And lo and behold — dues at OKW are about 22% higher than at SSR.

So your example actually proves the hypothesis nearly perfectly.
Rooms at SSR “cost” approximately 20% more than OKW on average. Leading to the approximate 20% difference in dues.

I am only searching the dates I am currently searching to get a reservation I need. So when I add in SSR, BWV, OKW studio 3 nights in October to my search I get

BWV - 48 points
SSR - 48 points
OKW - 47 points

 

[havoc315]

You said points charts were in the middle, that is what I responding to and thats why I bolded it in my response. So I will stick with my statement of Wrong.

They are in the middle. BWV is lower middle.

Here we go again. I’ll use 1 BR, since that’s the closest comparison to Fort Wilderness cabins:

Fort Wilderness Cabins - 148
OKW - 190
AKV 195-242 midpoint of 219
SSR - 206-234 - midpoint of 220
BWV- 187-253 - midpoint of 220
CCV- 246
BRV- 248
BCV - 251
BLT 233 to 331 (mid point around 280)
RIV- 276- 356 (mid point of 316)
GFV 301-359 (midpoint 329)
poly - 292-396 (mid point of 344)


So, I said BWV/BRV/BCV were in the middle in dues and points — In points, they are 5, 7, and 8 out of 12 resorts. In other words, right in the middle, just as I said.

You can’t look only at the cheapest rooms— if you book/own a 396 point theme park room at Poly, you’re paying dues on all 396 points. You don’t get charged the dues only on the first 292 points. (What is nice — where there are multiple view categories, people who book the expensive views are effectively helping to subsidize those who book standard views).

 

[eticketplease]

OKW dues are VERY high and there's really no selling point for it unless you love OKW or get a very low upfront price per point. The point chart for sure does not make up for the dues in any circumstance.

The only thing would be to have first dibs on the GV. Those can be had for quite the discount points wise but I would rather roll the dice at 7 months then pay the dues to be certain of grabbing it.

 

[VGCgroupie]

They are in the middle. BWV is lower middle.

Here we go again. I’ll use 1 BR, since that’s the closest comparison to Fort Wilderness cabins:

Fort Wilderness Cabins - 148
OKW - 190
AKV 195-242 midpoint of 219
SSR - 206-234 - midpoint of 220
BWV- 187-253 - midpoint of 220
CCV- 246
BRV- 248
BCV - 251
BLT 233 to 331 (mid point around 280)
RIV- 276- 356 (mid point of 316)
GFV 301-359 (midpoint 329)
poly - 292-396 (mid point of 344)


So, I said BWV/BRV/BCV were in the middle in dues and points — In points, they are 5, 7, and 8 out of 12 resorts. In other words, right in the middle, just as I said.

You can’t look only at the cheapest rooms— if you book/own a 396 point theme park room at Poly, you’re paying dues on all 396 points. You don’t get charged the dues only on the first 292 points. (What is nice — where there are multiple view categories, people who book the expensive views are effectively helping to subsidize those who book standard views).

I did do higher category rooms and you said "dues dont care about views" I also did 2 bedrooms.

Anyway we will see maybe tomorrow everyone will wake up and agree with you and say you are right and I am wrong, but from where I sit I just don't see it. Nothing you show me will make me believe paying OKW dues is worth it (unless one loves OKW or gets a low low up front price)