2025 Condo Meeting Information - Renting

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Today as I type this at ~11AM there is at least one 1BR available at all resorts for a check in day 11 months from now. The missing views are the usual suspects, though not all of them.

The fact that it’s available at at least one resort doesn’t help you if it’s not available at the 1/2/3/4/5 resorts where you own to get the 11mo booking advantage though.

 

[Brian Noble]

The fact that it’s available at at least one resort doesn’t help you if it’s not available at the 1/2/3/4/5 resorts where you own to get the 11mo booking advantage though.

I'm afraid I did not state it clearly enough: At 11-ish AM Eastern this morning, every single WDW resort had availability in a 1BR in at least one view category for 11 months from today. No matter what your home resort was, if you wanted a 1BR, and you booked before 11AM EST today, you could have gotten it.

 

[Sandisw]

I'm afraid I did not state it clearly enough: At 11-ish AM Eastern this morning, every single WDW resort had availability in a 1BR in at least one view category for 11 months from today. No matter what your home resort was, if you wanted a 1BR, and you booked before 11AM EST today, you could have gotten it.

And this is how I think DVC views it and maybe should?

I am just not convinced that DVC can adjust point charts enough to deal with this situation.

Not saying they shouldn’t try, but at the end of the day it’s about doing the best they can.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Just wanted to point out all I was saying is that I have seen a substantial increase in sentiment that people are frustrated with being able to book. It was that simple. This is how more and more people are feeling.

Are they lying? Maybe.

I didnt grill them on what place were you booking?! What time did you log in?! What room type?! What dates?! I didn't proceed to login to verify rooms were unavailable to see if they were just complaining for no reason. I didn't feel the need to prove them right or wrong.

 

[Sandisw]

Just wanted to point out all I was saying is that I have seen a substantial increase in sentiment that people are frustrated with being able to book. It was that simple. This is how more and more people are feeling.

Are they lying? Maybe.

I didnt grill them on what place were you booking?! What time did you log in?! What room type?! What dates?! I didn't proceed to login to verify rooms were unavailable to see if they were just complaining for no reason. I didn't feel the need to prove them right or wrong.

I think it’s fair to say we are seeing more frustration for the early December dates.

The hard part is gong to be what adjustments can be made.

Summer and low demand times are not going to be popular simply because they are fewer points if the goal is to visit for the holidays that also don’t come with holiday crowds

I don’t know what adjustments will work.

 

[Brian Noble]

Are they lying? Maybe.

I don't think they are lying. I think they are frustrated. No one* likes the 8AM Hunger Games, and most people are not wiling to play them. For example, some of these owners may have been able to get their desired early-December 1BRs a week into the 11-month window in prior years. This year, maybe they can't. Those people are definitely going to be frustrated, and that is completely understandable.

That said, it's pretty easy for "other people are (rightly!) frustrated" to morph into "Therefore, I will never get what I want." But, as my former pastor used to say when exhorting us to read the weekly bulletin: It is better to be informed than surprised.

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*: Some of us do enjoy the hunt...

 

[mkatsy]

Just wanted to point out all I was saying is that I have seen a substantial increase in sentiment that people are frustrated with being able to book. It was that simple. This is how more and more people are feeling.

Are they lying? Maybe.

I didnt grill them on what place were you booking?! What time did you log in?! What room type?! What dates?! I didn't proceed to login to verify rooms were unavailable to see if they were just complaining for no reason. I didn't feel the need to prove them right or wrong.

I saw a lot of the frustration as well, mostly on Facebook. I don’t know if it’s a metric the rental brokers are willing to share, but I’d love to know how many new “owner” accounts have been created since the 2026 dues were announced. Is the increase in competition for December dates just “traffic” from other families vs. commercial renters. Maybe if the exact numbers of customers is too proprietary, then sharing the year over year percent increase in new customers registering to rent out their points. If it’s just regular people causing the competition, I’m not sure it’s fair to be mad at them. Everyone can’t have the cheap rooms.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Take BWV RV studios, if all rooms are available then there would be 52 rooms available for any given day.

There are approx 19,000 BWV owners, I know not all are trying to book in December but I’ll bet many of them are. A lot of those will obviously not succeed.

Some will try for boardwalk view which have even less rooms. Others will try for pool garden and they will have a much better chance of succeeding - but still many owners are bound to fail.


For what it’s worth Disneys 2% including unsold inventory amount to 140,000 points at BWV. On top Disneys rents 20% of the points available at BWV, because owners one way or another trade out.

When Disney swoops in and takes any number of rooms, owners will get impacted.

 

[LoveToDisney]

WDW has also condensed the holiday season in the last 10+ years. One used to be able to come in early November (definitely by Nov 6 or 7) and everything was decorated for Christmas including HS with the Osbourne Lights. It gave us more low crowd weeks to visit with Christmas decor without visiting at Thanksgiving or the first 2 weeks of Dec. I miss that early November time even more now that early December has become totally bonkers.

 

[Mirabell Rose]

Low point seasons for DVC is a big part of high demand for those seasons. If they change the points charts, part of the demand will change right with them.

 

[TCRAIG]

Just wanted to point out all I was saying is that I have seen a substantial increase in sentiment that people are frustrated with being able to book. It was that simple. This is how more and more people are feeling.

Are they lying? Maybe.

I didnt grill them on what place were you booking?! What time did you log in?! What room type?! What dates?! I didn't proceed to login to verify rooms were unavailable to see if they were just complaining for no reason. I didn't feel the need to prove them right or wrong.

Just to be clear - I am not complaining or angry or frustrated or upset at all…nor would I advocate for DVC to change any of their booking rules…I feel certain that my Waitlist will come thru and if not - I was able to book my favorite (VWL/BR) early Dec 1br resort for the entire 8 days rather than a split with BWV…

 

[Judique]

I tried for a BWV Boardwalk view for several days right at 8am 11 month mark 1 bedroom early Dec… no luck…I was able to pick up some of my days a few days later but still missing 1 - which I waitlisted.

I got 5 studio nights but not all in the same view. I've also got a waitlist in to switch a view to stay in the same room. Hopefully 10 months is enough time to get one night. Right now it's 2-1-2. Got a 1 bedroom at DHHIR over TG before that. May switch that to a two bedroom but still time to do that.

I was actually surprised to get what I have.
Edit: I got everything as the nights were dropped by others, not at 8am.

And, I have been frustrated by the demand for BWV for going on about 10 years now. I'm starting to let it go. First it was October for food and wine festival. Then it moved into November and on to December. December became my go to time when I retired. Cooler weather and Christmas decor.

Surprisingly, those October and November nights are a lot easier to get now. The points increased. Maybe not so surprising after all.

 

[Sandisw]

I'm afraid I did not state it clearly enough: At 11-ish AM Eastern this morning, every single WDW resort had availability in a 1BR in at least one view category for 11 months from today. No matter what your home resort was, if you wanted a 1BR, and you booked before 11AM EST today, you could have gotten it.

And, if I am DVC and trying to ensure the booking rules work as much as the can within a FCFS point base system, this supports its working pretty well.

I monitored almost daily for a good three months or so, and outside of CCV studios, which were going fast, no one was shut out of any room size.

It changed when we got to mid November check in dates when other resorts showed some issues with studios.

So, it certainly seems demand is playing a role here in a way it did not for several months that I monitored.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Just to be clear - I am not complaining or angry or frustrated or upset at all…nor would I advocate for DVC to change any of their booking rules…I feel certain that my Waitlist will come thru and if not - I was able to book my favorite (VWL/BR) early Dec 1br resort for the entire 8 days rather than a split with BWV…

Glad you got a stay booked for your 8 days. Just as there are people that are upset there are those like you that are not. Since you want to throw out "just to be clear" to take a dig at my post, I will clarify again since maybe you took what I said not as I intended it.

People were saying that there were readily rooms available, I was just saying I cant rubut that because I didn't ask these people any follow up questions regarding the statements they made.

 

[TCRAIG]

Glad you got a stay booked for your 8 days. Just as there are people that are upset there are those like you that are not. Since you want to throw out "just to be clear" to take a dig at my post, I will clarify again since maybe you took what I said not as I intended it.

People were saying that there were readily rooms available, I was just saying I cant rubut that because I didn't ask these people any follow up questions regarding the statements they made.

I am so sorry - my ‘just to be clear’ comment was in no way meant as a dig on your post…I was just trying to clarify my previous post about 1Br availability right at 8am at 11 months in early December…I didn’t want to sound like I was whining about it…

 

[VGCgroupie]

I am so sorry - my ‘just to be clear’ comment was in no way meant as a dig on your post…I was just trying to clarify my previous post about 1Br availability right at 8am at 11 months in early December…I didn’t want to sound like I was whining about it…

Got it. Thanks for clarifying. Sorry I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

 

[juliebee]

I think it’s fair to say we are seeing more frustration for the early December dates.

My frustration with early December booking is exactly why I ultimately chose to purchase the direct contract that I did with a favorite week 49. It's the easiest way to battle that frustration... but fixed weeks are so limitedly available and not even available at all resorts.

Are there other times of year that are just as competitive to book? I haven't booked for Food and Wine, but can imagine that might have similar difficulty especially in the Epcot area resorts.

 

[Sandisw]

My frustration with early December booking is exactly why I ultimately chose to purchase the direct contract that I did with a favorite week 49. It's the easiest way to battle that frustration... but fixed weeks are so limitedly available and not even available at all resorts.

Are there other times of year that are just as competitive to book? I haven't booked for Food and Wine, but can imagine that might have similar difficulty especially in the Epcot area resorts.

Not like early December. I monitor regularly and outside of CCV and studios, people are not getting shut out of their home resorts for any room size the majority of the year when booking right at 11 months.

Certain views, sure. It’s why I also don’t worry about RV anymore and just expect PV

Then I waitlist and stalk if I decide I want to save the points!!

Of course, that doesn’t change being frustrated when you can’t get what you were hoping to get.