2025 Condo Meeting Information - Renting

[Sandisw]

I think that is all the more reason that, if you are dissatisfied with December availability, adjusting points charts is the best answer. Any other solution (other than just enforcement behind the scenes of those clearly in violation of commercial renting policies) will have unintended consequences that could make average ownership more difficult.

It seems to me that points chart adjustments to be more in line with rack rates (including regularly offered discounts) would actually have the effect of decreasing (although perhaps not eliminating entirely) the incentives for renting spec reservations.

They should and they have attempted to do so…but I am not sure how to adjust early December to a level that makes a difference when it’s so popular.

They could make them the same as Xmas and Easter week?

People should definitely though let them know they would welcome or at least be okay with higher charts then, even if it impacts them directly.

 

[CarolynFH]

Being empty nesters and more or less free to travel when we want, we already like to visit in January. So I don’t think we’d mind if they increased early December and decreased January some more. Or decrease February a little bit, at least before Presidents Day - DH’s birthday is early in the month, and I wouldn’t mind celebrating at WDW!

 

[robinb]

Just a reminder. You can discuss things in general in terms of impact but please do not post any specific dates, or room sizes, and especially do not share what is being offered as confirmed outside of general terms.

For example, I see a lot of the near park resorts out there for rent, for early December. Thst is fine.

I see a lot of confirmed reservationsfor the first week of December at XYX resort,,,not allowed.

I know…it may make it hard to discuss…but we don’t know who owns those reservations and someone could be posting as a way to get around the rules of the Rent/Transfer thread.

I posted prices from Disney, so we knew exactly who owned the reservations, and my post was deleted . It was an important post that showed that Disney was not only booking at the 11-month window with their traded-in points, but they were also taking advantage of the 7-day window to book into the future from the start of the reservation. They are renting days in studios that are not available as a check-in date today.

There is something seriously wrong with them taking away villas from members in the 11-month window.

Edited, and you know they don’t have interns sitting there booking those villas manually. We now have to compete against Disney using bots/programs to book in the DVC system. We get the sloppy seconds after The Mouse feeds.

 

[Sandisw]

I posted prices from Disney, so we knew exactly who owned the reservations, and my post was deleted . It was an important post that showed that Disney was not only booking at the 11-month window with their traded-in points, but they were also taking advantage of the 7-day window to book into the future from the start of the reservation. They are renting days in studios that are not available as a check-in date today.

There is something seriously wrong with them taking away villas from members in the 11-month window.

Edited, and you know they don’t have interns sitting there booking those villas manually. We now have to compete against Disney using bots/programs to book in the DVC system. We get the sloppy seconds after The Mouse feeds.

I will restore your post as I thought it was confirmed reservations and not cash.

But, the contract allows them to pull at 11 months and yes, they have the ability to take in ways different than the rest of us.

That is the way the system is set up. The only thing they are forbidden to do is pull farther out that 11 months plus 7 unless it’s a refurb or the room is pulled to be used as a model.

ETA: plus, with the trades that happen, they are taking as part of the exchange program which gives them full authority to choose what to take and when…as long as it doesn’t violate home resort booking.

 

[airjay75]

I posted prices from Disney, so we knew exactly who owned the reservations, and my post was deleted . It was an important post that showed that Disney was not only booking at the 11-month window with their traded-in points, but they were also taking advantage of the 7-day window to book into the future from the start of the reservation. They are renting days in studios that are not available as a check-in date today.

There is something seriously wrong with them taking away villas from members in the 11-month window.

Edited, and you know they don’t have interns sitting there booking those villas manually. We now have to compete against Disney using bots/programs to book in the DVC system. We get the sloppy seconds after The Mouse feeds.

I can understand why @Sandisw might have thought your prior post was talking about confirmed reservations, as I had to give a couple of reads to realize you were cleverly referring to the fact that Disney is essentially walking some resort view studio reservations to rent them out (which, of course, they are perfectly allowed to do).

That said, one thought that crossed my mind earlier was, if someone wanted to do some real detective-like work, they would get some people together to book as many cash reservations as they could to see just how many resort studios at some of these resorts are available for booking on the cash side. That might (and I stress might) give us some insight into whether they are simply booking their 20% or so of rooms or are disproportionately picking rooms like resort view studios to maximize their rental income. Again, they are perfectly allowed to do it - it's what we all signed up for. But, it would be interesting to actually get some data.

 

[robinb]

I can understand why @Sandisw might have thought your prior post was talking about confirmed reservations, as I had to give a couple of reads to realize you were cleverly referring to the fact that Disney is essentially walking some resort view studio reservations to rent them out (which, of course, they are perfectly allowed to do).

That said, one thought that crossed my mind earlier was, if someone wanted to do some real detective-like work, they would get some people together to book as many cash reservations as they could to see just how many resort studios at some of these resorts are available for booking on the cash side. That might (and I stress might) give us some insight into whether they are simply booking their 20% or so of rooms or are disproportionately picking rooms like resort view studios to maximize their rental income. Again, they are perfectly allowed to do it - it's what we all signed up for. But, it would be interesting to actually get some data.

I’m sorry that my post wasn’t clear!

 

[airjay75]

I’m sorry that my post wasn’t clear!

Maybe not clear, but very clever!

 

[Sandisw]

I can understand why @Sandisw might have thought your prior post was talking about confirmed reservations, as I had to give a couple of reads to realize you were cleverly referring to the fact that Disney is essentially walking some resort view studio reservations to rent them out (which, of course, they are perfectly allowed to do).

That said, one thought that crossed my mind earlier was, if someone wanted to do some real detective-like work, they would get some people together to book as many cash reservations as they could to see just how many resort studios at some of these resorts are available for booking on the cash side. That might (and I stress might) give us some insight into whether they are simply booking their 20% or so of rooms or are disproportionately picking rooms like resort view studios to maximize their rental income. Again, they are perfectly allowed to do it - it's what we all signed up for. But, it would be interesting to actually get some data.

There is a way to find that information out. You should be able to just call and ask.

 

[zavandor]

December madness is 100% DVC Management Company's fault. It has been clear that early December is due for a heavy handed reallocation since I started investigating DVC in 2011. And, according to the POS, it is their duty to rebalance demand reallocating the point charts. There is no reasonable excuse for their negligence.

At this point, I can only think one possible explanation: fixed weeks. If they reallocate to the point that early December cost much more than what they sold fixed weeks for, they'd have to compensate with their developer points. It would cost them money to do so.

It's a disgrace.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

December madness is 100% DVC Management Company's fault. It has been clear that early December is due for a heavy handed reallocation since I started investigating DVC in 2011. And, according to the POS, it it their duty to rebalance demand reallocating the point charts. There is no reasonable excuse for their negligence.

At this point, I can only think one possible explanation: fixed weeks. If they reallocate to the point that early December cost much more than what they sold fixed weeks for, they'd have to compensate with their developer points. It would cost them money to do so. It's a disgrace.

Many of the resorts don’t even have fixed weeks though, right?

 

[zavandor]

Many of the resorts don’t even have fixed weeks though, right?

Correct, they started selling them with the original VGF, I think. But they couldn't reallocate all previous resorts and not the newest. If they "certify" there is a demand imbalance that requires a reallocation at OKW, BCV, BWV, BLT, BRV and SSR, how can they not reallocate the others too? I don't see how they can say demand is different (for the WDW resorts).

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Correct, they started selling them with the original VGF, I think. But they couldn't reallocate all previous resorts and not the newest. If they "certify" there is a demand imbalance that requires a reallocation at OKW, BCV, BWV, BLT, BRV and SSR, how can they not reallocate the others too? I don't see how they can say demand is different (for the WDW resorts).

I mean, I think demand IS clearly different by resort just looking at what’s available and what’s booking solid more than 10m out…but I come at this differently as a DLR local and VGC owner, where VGC/VDH point charts may as well be set for different continents.

 

[zavandor]

I mean, I think demand IS clearly different by resort just looking at what’s available and what’s booking solid more than 10m out…but I come at this differently as a DLR local and VGC owner, where VGC/VDH point charts may as well be set for different continents.

I have not included non WDW resorts in my list. Other resorts already have different point charts.

 

[AstroBlasters]

I can understand why @Sandisw might have thought your prior post was talking about confirmed reservations, as I had to give a couple of reads to realize you were cleverly referring to the fact that Disney is essentially walking some resort view studio reservations to rent them out (which, of course, they are perfectly allowed to do).

That said, one thought that crossed my mind earlier was, if someone wanted to do some real detective-like work, they would get some people together to book as many cash reservations as they could to see just how many resort studios at some of these resorts are available for booking on the cash side. That might (and I stress might) give us some insight into whether they are simply booking their 20% or so of rooms or are disproportionately picking rooms like resort view studios to maximize their rental income. Again, they are perfectly allowed to do it - it's what we all signed up for. But, it would be interesting to actually get some data.

I wonder how they work it in with Magical Beginning points from VDH and POLY T given that Disney still own a lot of their own points yes there.

Rent too much and there is no inventory for new buyers and that could negatively impact sales…. Rent too much little and you left money on the table…

 

[AstroBlasters]

I mean, I think demand IS clearly different by resort just looking at what’s available and what’s booking solid more than 10m out…but I come at this differently as a DLR local and VGC owner, where VGC/VDH point charts may as well be set for different continents.

You think they would have harmonized the two CA resorts point charts…..

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

You think they would have harmonized the two CA resorts point charts…..

I actually think resort by resort seasons kind of makes sense— more so at WDW where there are going to be insane weeks on the monorail (July 4) or festivals at Crescent Lake, etc. Differing seasons at DLR is much harder to justify.

 

[TCRAIG]

December has always been very busy.

Which resort was not available in a 1br at 11 months?

On top Disney has taken all value rooms out for maintenance at AKV Jambo.

I tried for a BWV Boardwalk view for several days right at 8am 11 month mark 1 bedroom early Dec… no luck…I was able to pick up some of my days a few days later but still missing 1 - which I waitlisted.

 

[Brianstl]

Seems to me this is going to be inevitable... That summer will go down in points cost and much of the rest of the year will need to go up... Even early September seems too high in my view...

Will they really? It is what makes the most sense for the membership overall, but it doesn't make the most sense for DVC financially with them getting 20% of the points in various ways. It makes sense for them to make those points as valuable as possible when it comes to them renting out rooms and the most value for them is to keep the point chart where it is so they can rent out villas at the highest cost using as little of their points as possible in each instance.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Will they really? It is what makes the most sense for the membership overall, but it doesn't make the most sense for DVC financially with them getting 20% of the points in various ways. It makes sense for them to make those points as valuable as possible when it comes to them renting out rooms and the most value for them is to keep the point chart where it is so they can rent out villas at the highest cost using as little of their points as possible in each instance.

There does appear to definitely be a conflict…. especially if they are renting out some hard to get rooms (Boardwalk View Studios) right at 11m…..

 

[Brian Noble]

As I type this, there is availability for at least some 1BR views at all but two resorts.

Today as I type this at ~11AM there is at least one 1BR available at all resorts for a check in day 11 months from now. The missing views are the usual suspects, though not all of them.