2012 prices

[havoc315]

Ok, so now I've done the other calcs, and this is what I see below:
CS Credit (QSDP & DDP): $16/$4.50
TS Credit (DDP): $32.55/$7.53 ($34.55/$8.53 holiday)
Deluxe Credit (DxDDP): $26.51/$5.93 ($27.84/$6.60 holiday)

Brilliant analysis ... but... What does the second number represent above?
A CS credit is break even at 16... What is the $4.50?

 

[tgropp]

Just for "fun" I ran those numbers too. It's a ~32% raw increase in price over the past 4 years. However, figuring the loss of the tip in (which we'll figure as 15% of the base price), it changes to a ~47% increase. At least it still includes tax .[/QUOTE]

Great information

"Well played Mauer"

 

[havoc315]

Just for "fun" I ran those numbers too. It's a ~32% raw increase in price over the past 4 years. However, figuring the loss of the tip in (which we'll figure as 15% of the base price), it changes to a ~47% increase. At least it still includes tax .

Great information

"Well played Mauer"[/QUOTE]

The automatic tip was 18%... and don't forget, it also used to include appetizer.
You are really looking at well over a 50% increase in just 5 years.
At this rate, by 2013, the plan will be a loser for just about everyone.

 

[Disneymadhouse]

Jeez I have read all of this thread and I think you guys must be number genius'!

I am renting point at OKW staying 13th - 27th December 2012. I had worked out the numbers and thought that DDP would be good for us. We are two adults and 1 child aged 4 (nearly). I plan to do 5 character meals, so I guess this is where the DDP becomes more cost effective. (If I do book the DDP then I will probably do 7 character meals! )

I worked out that the DDP is only going to be $80 more for 2011 than 2012 for us. I had been working on the holiday pricing for 2011, but I understand that you don't pay the holiday rate if staying on points. I hope that it is kept that way for 2012!
Does this all sound correct to you genius people?

Thanks for any help

Claire

 

[Cafeen]

Brilliant analysis ... but... What does the second number represent above?
A CS credit is break even at 16... What is the $4.50?

Adult/Child. And most of the credit for this Cost per Credit analysis goes over to Faldred. He's the one that came up with the initial formulas that I've used for "no mug" analysis and that I based the "with mug" ones on.

The automatic tip was 18%... and don't forget, it also used to include appetizer.
You are really looking at well over a 50% increase in just 5 years.
At this rate, by 2013, the plan will be a loser for just about everyone.

Wasn't 100% sure what value the tip was placed at in 2008. From memory (since I did look at 18% as well) this was a ~$19 increase figuring in 18%, which turned into about ~55%.

Apps would be tricky to get solid numbers for, but if we take an average of about $6 for 2008 prices, would toss the difference up to ~$25 or ~64% (using the 18% tip numbers above).

 

[LuekG]

Either way, pre paid dining is still a good option to eliminate over spending on the food budget when you're out and about in the parks or resorts; Especially when picking the more expensive things on the menus!!! Sad about the 1 snack reduction in the QSDP though.

 

[Cafeen]

Jeez I have read all of this thread and I think you guys must be number genius'!

I am renting point at OKW staying 13th - 27th December 2012. I had worked out the numbers and thought that DDP would be good for us. We are two adults and 1 child aged 4 (nearly). I plan to do 5 character meals, so I guess this is where the DDP becomes more cost effective. (If I do book the DDP then I will probably do 7 character meals! )

I worked out that the DDP is only going to be $80 more for 2011 than 2012 for us. I had been working on the holiday pricing for 2011, but I understand that you don't pay the holiday rate if staying on points. I hope that it is kept that way for 2012!
Does this all sound correct to you genius people?

Thanks for any help

Claire

The DDP becomes most cost effective when a) you're utilizing all parts of the plan as designed (order dessert, soda, don't share, no adults eating kids' meals, snacks, etc) and b) when focusing the TS meals on either dinners or the higher priced 1 TS meals (most notably, the character meals). So yep, looks like you're fitting the pattern .

The numbers do seem about right for you, comparing the 2011 holiday to 2012 regular. Considering the party size, it's about a $3 or so per night per person increase (note, this is for this specific situation and comparison, not a general number, those are earlier in the thread).

The holiday pricing for 2012 for DVC on points will have to be discovered by DVC people, which I am unfortunately not one of .

As far as the numbers go. I like them and I like to play with them. Most of the math is relatively simple by itself, just there's a lot of it and it's tough to keep track of all the little pieces. Excel/OpenOffice help with the actual crunching too .

 

[havoc315]

Either way, pre paid dining is still a good option to eliminate over spending on the food budget when you're out and about in the parks or resorts; Especially when picking the more expensive things on the menus!!! Sad about the 1 snack reduction in the QSDP though.

Even then, it's harder and harder to get value.

You need to spend about $33 on a TS credit, just to break even..

Let's go to Primetime Cafe... and get the most expensive entree:
Grilled Boneless Pork Loin, $20.99
Get the most expensive dessert: Dad's Brownie Sundae, $5.99
Beverages are $2-- So getting the most expensive items, you have spent only $29.... lost about $4.

At plenty of other restaurants, you can only break even, if you get the absolute most expensive item.

 

[havoc315]

Adult/Child. And most of the credit for this Cost per Credit analysis goes over to Faldred. He's the one that came up with the initial formulas that I've used for "no mug" analysis and that I based the "with mug" ones on.


Wasn't 100% sure what value the tip was placed at in 2008. From memory (since I did look at 18% as well) this was a ~$19 increase figuring in 18%, which turned into about ~55%.

Apps would be tricky to get solid numbers for, but if we take an average of about $6 for 2008 prices, would toss the difference up to ~$25 or ~64% (using the 18% tip numbers above).

Actually though... I think our history is a bit off. I looked it up fairly recently..
I believe, in 2007, the DDP included App and tip... and it cost $38.99
In 2008, they dropped the tip and the app... and cut the price by $1, to $37.99. Since 2008, the plans haven't changed dramatically, except for increases in price. (some other minor changes... like the elimination of the second beverage at breakfast, the recent elimination of a snack from the qsdp).

 

[Disneymadhouse]

Hi Cafeen thanks for that!

I just hope that renting DVC points I still get the regular pricing not the holiday pricing otherwise I will have to work my numbers - again!

Its nice to know I fit the pattern too. My DH loves steak and seafood so you bet he will be ordering the higher price items off the menu if we have already pre paid for it!

Thanks again for your help

Claire

 

[KEPE]

WOW, very intersting info. We re using the DDP for the first time this year, while I don't think I'm getting huge savings I did feel like we would be getting some desserts and snacks for "free" so I figured, why not, let's try it. I have to say it will probably be the last time. Next year seems like it would either be bust or possible brek even, but why even bother?

 

[LilGMom]

Actually though... I think our history is a bit off. I looked it up fairly recently..
I believe, in 2007, the DDP included App and tip... and it cost $38.99
In 2008, they dropped the tip and the app... and cut the price by $1, to $37.99. Since 2008, the plans haven't changed dramatically, except for increases in price. (some other minor changes... like the elimination of the second beverage at breakfast, the recent elimination of a snack from the qsdp).

Yes, in 2007 the TS meals still included an app. and gratuitiy. So when they lowered the cost, in 2008, by $1 you were still paying approx. $15-20 more per adult (assuming an $8 app. and a $8 tip per adult).

We used to spend around $125/day eating (one TS and two CS meals). But now that my oldest just turned 10 yr. old with the new pricing on our 2012 trip it would be closer to $225/day (3 DDP adults and 1 DDP child + third meal + gratuity). Even if you figure in the mugs it is like we'd be paying for a new mug every night of our stay. Yes there haven't been any major increases in two years but they have dropped things from the plan and the servings have gotten smaller.

The DDP will work great for some but we'll go back to paying OOP. We'll still eat our regular one TS per day but we were also doing that before we ever tried the DDP too.

 

[Elise79]

Hi Cafeen thanks for that!

I just hope that renting DVC points I still get the regular pricing not the holiday pricing otherwise I will have to work my numbers - again!

Its nice to know I fit the pattern too. My DH loves steak and seafood so you bet he will be ordering the higher price items off the menu if we have already pre paid for it!

Thanks again for your help

Claire

Just checked the DVC member site for you and there isn't any pricing for 2012 yet.

I couldn't make the DDP work for us this year when we have a TIW card - I am not even going to bother next year to do the maths!

 

[Disneymadhouse]

Just checked the DVC member site for you and there isn't any pricing for 2012 yet.

I couldn't make the DDP work for us this year when we have a TIW card - I am not even going to bother next year to do the maths!

Hi Elise, I am working on the assumption that the prices will be those quoted in this thread. If it was to be that the DVC pricing was the holiday price too then no I don't think it would work for us.
I had all my numbers worked out on the holiday pricing for 2011 before you kindly told me on the "other" forum that DVC point renters don't pay the hol price only the regular price. So I was already on $47.99 per night anyway if you see what I mean! If the prices in this thread turns out accurate and DVC don't pay hol price then its only another $80 for 2012.
I hope you understand what I mean!

Thanks again for your help and advice

Claire

 

[Halloweenluv03]

I'd hate to say it, because I know no one wants to see inflation, but I'm hoping the prices of the food goes up since the DDP went up. I mean, if that's the case, then my fiance and I are only saving about a penny (according to the spreadsheet I'm using). I'm just going to book my honeymoon next week with the DDP in hopes that it will eventually become a value or we get free dining. Just going to keep my fingers cost for either!

 

[havoc315]

I'd hate to say it, because I know no one wants to see inflation, but I'm hoping the prices of the food goes up since the DDP went up. I mean, if that's the case, then my fiance and I are only saving about a penny (according to the spreadsheet I'm using). I'm just going to book my honeymoon next week with the DDP in hopes that it will eventually become a value or we get free dining. Just going to keep my fingers cost for either!

Based on history.... while prices do go up... some prices more than others... overall, it appears that prices only go up about 2-4% per year.
Many items stay frozen at the same price for years. (For example, an item that is $9.99.... There may be reluctance to raise the price, as that is a magical marketing price).

Though if it makes you feel better... Have you factored in sales tax? That may be another 6.5% you are saving, if you haven't factored it in.

 

[Diegosmom]

I had gone throw all the menus and picked what we would eat, factoring that I dont drink too many drinks (quite happy with tap water most of the time) and hubby likes some dessert but not a ton (especially not 2 a day). And I added up what we would get if we were paying OP and I came up with DH and I saving about $5 a day on DDP. DS was quite a bit more. But now that the price of dining went up $5, there goes my $5 savings. Now yes I would still get a few freebies (like drinks for me at all meals that I wont normally get and dessert at all meals) but just doesnt seem worth it to have to make sure we use all of our credits up. OP just seems like a better options...unless prices go up...or we get free dining. Of course DS savings might really factor in as some of the sitdowns are the price of the plan (so he gets CS and snack for free)...

Much harder to decide now.

 

[Jrpbabe2003]

If I start my trip during a non holiday time and a few days later it is considered holiday, do I pay holiday rates for the days that are holiday or non holiday rates the whole time?

 

[LilGMom]

I had gone throw all the menus and picked what we would eat, factoring that I dont drink too many drinks (quite happy with tap water most of the time) and hubby likes some dessert but not a ton (especially not 2 a day). And I added up what we would get if we were paying OP and I came up with DH and I saving about $5 a day on DDP. DS was quite a bit more. But now that the price of dining went up $5, there goes my $5 savings. Now yes I would still get a few freebies (like drinks for me at all meals that I wont normally get and dessert at all meals) but just doesnt seem worth it to have to make sure we use all of our credits up. OP just seems like a better options...unless prices go up...or we get free dining. Of course DS savings might really factor in as some of the sitdowns are the price of the plan (so he gets CS and snack for free)...

Much harder to decide now.

Are you also factoring in gratuity for your TS meals as an OOP expense while using the DDP. You might be saving a lot more than $5 paying OOP. I have a spreadsheet that I use when figuring the DDP vs. OOP that figures in any sort of discount we might get (AP or DVC), tax and gratuity. For us it has always been a close tie between the DDP and OOP. Since our oldest is now considered an adult in WDW's eyes I'm sure paying OOP will be a much smarter money choice on upcoming trips.

 

[Halloweenluv03]

Though if it makes you feel better... Have you factored in sales tax? That may be another 6.5% you are saving, if you haven't factored it in.

Yeah, I factored in tax as well. Hey, a penny saved is a penny earned.