2010 itineraries

[calmom]

I would love to see Disney do Hawaii in 2010. Maybe a 2 week cruise out of LA....

Or out of SF....sailing under the Golden Gate on the way to Hawaii. Isn't their a new Disney resort popping up in Hawaii??

 

[Andrew DEREK UK]

The 10 and 11 night Southern Caribbean cruises were discounted, as well as the TA Repos and a number of the Med cruises. So far the only specialty cruises we haven't seen some form of discount on are the PC Repos and Mexican Riviera cruises.

I know we have discussed this before, I think the words A number of Med cruises were discounted gives the wrong impression. The facts were they were very popular, my Cat 4 Stateroom went up $2k/3k in price between booking and when they sold out before the cruise.

The 'only' discount on some Med cruises was CAT 12, and that was consistent with Caribbean cruise sales, and in fact at a far lower volume than the Caribbean.

The Average per day cost of the Med cruise was far higher than the average Caribbean cruise bringing in far more income than the Caribbean trips, at the 'low' season in the Caribbean.

A few Cruisers, traded down from higher Cats to lower ones when DCL, just before the cruises reduced Cat 12s prices. I think some people the same as the current REPOS, booked and then canceled at the last minute.

Just in summary for Clarity, the Med cruises overall sold very well,

 

[aan1701]

I must say that if I was a owner of a cruise line, I would look were I could make the most money. I would also look at were most of my passengers were coming from. If a majority of the passengers were from the U.S. I would not do anything that caused my ship to depart from a non U.S. port for the simple reason of airfare. Now this may not be the right thinking and then hence the reason I do not own a cruise line.

 

[kaseyC]

I know we have discussed this before, I think the words A number of Med cruises were discounted gives the wrong impression.

The 'only' discount on some Med cruises was CAT 12, and that was consistent with Caribbean cruise sales, and in fact at a far lower volume than the Caribbean.

I'm not trying to give the wrong impression, I'm just stating facts. Cat. 12 GTY is a type of discount used by DCL to fill their ships. I didn't say the cruises were not popular or that they did not sell well. I think you are reading too much into my statements.

So just to be clear, as I stated a number of Med cruises were discounted. DCL offered the lower priced Cat. 12 GTYs which is one way that they discount their cruises. A number of folks downgraded to the Cat. 12 which saved them thousands of dollars.

Also your Caribbean comparison does not really apply, IMO, a better comparison would be with the West Coast Specialty cruises. We have not seen any form of discounting on those.

 

[Andrew DEREK UK]

I'm not trying to give the wrong impression, I'm just stating facts. Cat. 12 GTY is a type of discount used by DCL to fill their ships. I didn't say the cruises were not popular or that they did not sell well. I think you are reading too much into my statements.

So just to be clear, as I stated a number of Med cruises were discounted. DCL offered the lower priced Cat. 12 GTYs which is one way that they discount their cruises. A number of folks downgraded to the Cat. 12 which saved them thousands of dollars.

Also your Caribbean comparison does not really apply, IMO, a better comparison would be with the West Coast Specialty cruises. We have not seen any form of discounting on those.

I agree that we haven't seen any discounting on the West coast USA, these cruises are a banker and I bet DCL will keep gong there.

But to give a comparason, you should compare :-

Caribbean August Vs Med August, and DCL have discounted considerably in August on its Caribbean cruises, with many offers, Far far less were offered on the Med, in fact limited to Cat 12's only.

Another comparison there has been far more cancellations and rooms offered on the Eastbound Panama repo for August 2008, than I saw on my Med cruise July 27th 2007.

The main thing is 'overall' the Med cruises sold well, some small discounting less than at that time of year in the Caribbean, you will always get a bit of it with DCL's deposit policy.

West coast and Panama has sold very well and sold out.
The Med Sold well, not as fast as above, but very well with price increases during the time up to the cruises.
The Transatlantic didn't sell well with wholesale discounting, 3/4 person discounts etc.

The Caribbean 2009 Summer cruises have not sold 'as fast' as West coast or Med, and we didn't see any rush on the first day of release, whereas we did for West coast/Med.

But rather than us 'debate' the detail, the summary is, the Med remains an option, however so does the West coast ,and if I was the boss of DCL, I might actualy go for the West coast as a 'banker' in an economic downturn, but you put all of yuor eggs in one basket that way.

With the Med so many more new European cruisers can come and pay on board, and they might have the cash available, DCL has a majority of USA passengers but thats because it doesnt advertise outside the USA. There is a market there.

 

[sunshine1259]

I think that all of us who live on the west coast and who love DCL, would love to see this as well. I found it interesting that the Port of L.A. annouced its plans to expand on the same day DCL said they were going West again.

I most definitely love this. A short drive to San Pedro instead of a long flight to Florida gets my vote every day. Although, I guess if I want to go to Disney WORLD, I still have to make that flight.

I am devastated not to be able to go this year while the Magic is here. It's was here during the wrong time of the year . But we are going to be all over it if it comes back in 2010.

 

[MrsJobba1]

I am keeping my fingers x for a med cruise in 2010

 

[slg]

If DCL came back to the west coast, does anyone think they might do different ports? I enjoyed our Mexican ports, but my dh refuses to do the same itinerary twice. We'd definitely go back if DCL went to new locations.

I've booked dec.09 with the stop at St. Croix, but am hoping to change it to the spring/summer if there is a more interesting, new port.

Personally, I would love Alaska or Med, but I don't know if we could afford the med.

 

[dizneyfan23]

I think that when Disney goes back to the west coast, that they will wait until the first of the new ships is up and running. Then they can sent the Magic over to the west coast and have the Wonder and the new ship in Florida. As for 2010, I'd like to see Disney go back to the Med with the 2 Trans-atlantic cruises.

 

[Mozart]

I must say that if I was a owner of a cruise line, I would look were I could make the most money. I would also look at were most of my passengers were coming from. If a majority of the passengers were from the U.S. I would not do anything that caused my ship to depart from a non U.S. port for the simple reason of airfare. Now this may not be the right thinking and then hence the reason I do not own a cruise line.

I'd be curious to see what's going to happen with those cruises that sail from San Juan. If airfare doesn't come back down, those could start hurting really fast.

 

[aan1701]

I'd be curious to see what's going to happen with those cruises that sail from San Juan. If airfare doesn't come back down, those could start hurting really fast.

Why I don't think that they will be doing anything in the med., and my friends rumor may be the true one. Also it sounds good as DCL was the last to put in a fuel charge. I think it shows that the economy and oil prices are hurting them as well and they may go were they know they will for sure get the passengers. Oh well only time will tell. One thing I know is that some will be happy and some will be upset.

 

[DAggiesRWe]

Just to throw a wacky idea out there.

As the new ship comes online to run the 7-night Caribbean cruises, the Magic departs for California going EASTBOUND.

5-7 night cruise - Depart PC for the last time to Castaway Cay, then up to Bermuda and into New York. Do "Good Morning America" from the dock as the ship comes in to dock.

If necessary, run down to Norfolk, VA for drydock to outfit for West Coast operations. Shakedown on the way back to New York.

10-night Atlantic Crossing cruise. Run this one for elegance (Princess Aurora's Ball, Cinderella's Ball, etc.) like the old Atlantic Steamships.

10-11 night Med Cruises. Limited number to keep interest high (hint, hint there is a new ship coming online in 2011/2 - wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

14-night Suez Canal passage to Dubai, UAE, then to Mumbai, India, Colombo, Sri Lanka, and Singapore, Malaysia.

14-night Western Pacific Singapore to Hong Kong (Tie-in with Hong Kong Disneyland), Taipei, Taiwan, and Tokyo, Japan (Tie-in with Tokyo Disneyland).

10-night Pacific Crossing to Hawaii (Tie-in to new Disney resort). Several island stops on the way in.

10-night Pacific Crossing to new home. Several island stops on the way out, stop at Ensenada (for legal reasons).

Anyone with enough money can book the back-to-backs for an "around the world" cruise.

 

[JsMom2]

Hmmm....based upon what we've got so far, my guess for 2010 will be longer cruises that include Castaway Cay, Bermuda, and New York City. They could also include Baltimore for Washington DC. It'd be a nice change from the normal routes, and would be something completely different.

Also they can do these out of Port Canaveral and avoid the penalties for not making their quota of port calls.

I for one would do it in a hearbeat!

 

[JsMom2]

Just to throw a wacky idea out there.

As the new ship comes online to run the 7-night Caribbean cruises, the Magic departs for California going EASTBOUND.

5-7 night cruise - Depart PC for the last time to Castaway Cay, then up to Bermuda and into New York. Do "Good Morning America" from the dock as the ship comes in to dock.

If necessary, run down to Norfolk, VA for drydock to outfit for West Coast operations. Shakedown on the way back to New York.

10-night Atlantic Crossing cruise. Run this one for elegance (Princess Aurora's Ball, Cinderella's Ball, etc.) like the old Atlantic Steamships.

10-11 night Med Cruises. Limited number to keep interest high (hint, hint there is a new ship coming online in 2011/2 - wink, wink, nudge, nudge).

14-night Suez Canal passage to Dubai, UAE, then to Mumbai, India, Colombo, Sri Lanka, and Singapore, Malaysia.

14-night Western Pacific Singapore to Hong Kong (Tie-in with Hong Kong Disneyland), Taipei, Taiwan, and Tokyo, Japan (Tie-in with Tokyo Disneyland).

10-night Pacific Crossing to Hawaii (Tie-in to new Disney resort). Several island stops on the way in.

10-night Pacific Crossing to new home. Several island stops on the way out, stop at Ensenada (for legal reasons).

Anyone with enough money can book the back-to-backs for an "around the world" cruise.

NOOOOOO!!! They can't do this yet until I am retired and can take all that time off!!

 

[mathgeek]

Or out of SF....sailing under the Golden Gate on the way to Hawaii. Isn't their a new Disney resort popping up in Hawaii??

Just to throw a wacky idea out there.

10-night Pacific Crossing to Hawaii (Tie-in to new Disney resort). Several island stops on the way in.

Yes, there is a new DVC resort planned at Ko Olina, but it's not scheduled to open until 2011 so it doesn't look like that will be an option for the 2010 cruises. Maybe in the future though!

 

[JsMom2]

Yes, there is a new DVC resort planned at Ko Olina, but it's not scheduled to open until 2011 so it doesn't look like that will be an option for the 2010 cruises. Maybe in the future though!

Ah, but if they cruise to Hawaii BEFORE the resort opens the DVC reps onboard can still sell DVC to the passengers! What better way to get someone to buy into DVC Hawaii than to give them a little taste of paradise....

 

[kaseyC]

Ah, but if they cruise to Hawaii BEFORE the resort opens the DVC reps onboard can still sell DVC to the passengers! What better way to get someone to buy into DVC Hawaii than to give them a little taste of paradise....

That would be awesome!!

IMO, I think the state of the economy will play a big part in future itineraries.

I would love to see DCL go back to Europe but unfortunately it seems Europe is becoming a bit oversaturated with mass market cruise ships - some Mega ships even. I'm not sure how the very expensive, over 10 year old Magic will fare against many of the newer, less expensive cruise ships in Europe. Especially, when European itineraries are so time consuming and port intensive that you spend little time on the ship.

It will be interesting to see what DCL decides for 2010. I will be waiting anxiously like most other disers to hear the news.

 

[NancyIL]

IMO, I think the state of the economy will play a big part in future itineraries.

I would love to see DCL go back to Europe but unfortunately it seems Europe is becoming a bit oversaturated with mass market cruise ships - some Mega ships even. I'm not sure how the very expensive, over 10 year old Magic will fare against many of the newer, less expensive cruise ships in Europe. Especially, when European itineraries are so time consuming and port intensive that you spend little time on the ship.

Very good points. I won't go on a Mediterranean cruise in the summer due to heat, crowds, higher cost, and on DCL - too many kids. (One can cruise in the Mediterranean in the spring and the fall.) There's too little time to enjoy the Disney-ness of the ship after you've been in port 10-12 hours per day, day after day - and DCL will probably charge more than the competition.

 

[mathgeek]

Ah, but if they cruise to Hawaii BEFORE the resort opens the DVC reps onboard can still sell DVC to the passengers! What better way to get someone to buy into DVC Hawaii than to give them a little taste of paradise....

Good thinking! That would be quite the marketing ploy!

 

[Mozart]

Ah, but if they cruise to Hawaii BEFORE the resort opens the DVC reps onboard can still sell DVC to the passengers! What better way to get someone to buy into DVC Hawaii than to give them a little taste of paradise....

I don't think DCL will be sailing to Hawaii until after the Jones Act is repealed. Just too many hurdles to jump through while that law exists.