I am pretty sure that on mousesavers.com under the section with all the historical discount information she has listed what percentage discount for value, moderate and deluxe. Then from there I did the math myself to figure out the amount....it is not a large discount but it is a start and yes, Harambe....I am looking for an AP rate to come out sometime next spring for our April/May 2004 trip. We save and budget for the rate we book at and hope for a better discount down the road.