19 Iconic Products that America doesn't make anymore

I see no reason to believe that. Just reading the CB today, people are out buying game systems, and home decor, and myriad other discretionary items. That means that they can afford to pay more for essentials, using the extra money that they instead spend on non-essentials. People leave money to their descendants; this is yet-more money that people could have used to pay more for American goods.

And there are myriad examples in the past where the American product went toe-to-toe with the foreign product and lost, not on quality (at least not initially) but simply on price, and people who could surely have afforded to pay more for the American product instead choose to pay less for the foreign product, made less costly because the people making it get compensated poorly.

Sorry C.Ann but you're way off with this one. Affordability doesn't make a difference. People just want to pay less.

NO, people are talking about buying CHRISTMAS presents, not really just buying stuff to buy stuff. That is a HUGE difference. If every day items were higher, people would NOT be buying them, or it would put a lot more people into poverty because they would have to buy them but not really be able to afford them.

The US has failed to produce a reliable auto, tv, other electronics. There is no reason US workers can't be held to the same standard at say Japanese workers, and higher quality control standards. If they US worker put forth just a LITTLE more effort to make sure things fit properly, worked properly and didn't fall apart easily, people WOULD be more willing to spend a little more. For me, it is worth spending a little more on a Toyota or Honda car, for example, that is not going to be in the shop every other month getting door panels put back on or radio knobs replaced or worse.
 
I think Lunt silversmith still makes Flatware in New england.
 
NO, people are talking about buying CHRISTMAS presents, not really just buying stuff to buy stuff.
Actually, people were talking about buying souvenirs.

The US has failed to produce a reliable auto, tv, other electronics.
Because there is a cost to higher reliability, and Americans demand a lot more money to do the same work as folks in other countries do.
 

I'm afraid I'm not "way off" on this one.. Is everyone in the country out purchasing non-essentials today - or any other day? I think not - nor has it ever been that way..

Of course they are. Have you been to a mall lately? Or a Target or a Walmart or a Sears, etc?

Anything beyond basic clothes, food and a few other basics are non-essentials.
 

Of course they are. Have you been to a mall lately? Or a Target or a Walmart or a Sears, etc?

Anything beyond basic clothes, food and a few other basics are non-essentials.

I'm not out there.. My sister isn't out there.. My DD and her family aren't out there.. My DSDD wasn't out there today - she was babysitting so other families could work second jobs this weekend..

Seeing "lots" of people in the malls and stores doesn't equal "everyone".. And I'm not sure what you mean by the portion of your post (SJ) that I underlined.. Clothes and non-essentials are also not being manufactured here in the U.S. - so let's say for an example, someone has to purchase a winter coat.. They can get one manufactured outside of the U.S. for $30 - or one manufactured here - for $100.. But - they are also unemployed, have to buy groceries, and put gas in their car to look for work.. Which coat do you think they would buy?

Everyone is not in the same financial situation.. So - no - not "everyone" is out there shopping just for the sake of shopping - and the ones who are (due to "needs" - not "wants") are doing what they have to in order to survive.. Put the $30 price tag on the coat that is manufactured here and that's the one the person in the above scenario would purchase - because that's what they can afford..

I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that.. Sorry..:confused3
 
I'm not out there.. My sister isn't out there.. My DD and her family aren't out there.. My DSDD wasn't out there today - she was babysitting so other families could work second jobs this weekend..

Seeing "lots" of people in the malls and stores doesn't equal "everyone".. And I'm not sure what you mean by the portion of your post (SJ) that I underlined.. Clothes and non-essentials are also not being manufactured here in the U.S. - so let's say for an example, someone has to purchase a winter coat.. They can get one manufactured outside of the U.S. for $30 - or one manufactured here - for $100.. But - they are also unemployed, have to buy groceries, and put gas in their car to look for work.. Which coat do you think they would buy?

Everyone is not in the same financial situation.. So - no - not "everyone" is out there shopping just for the sake of shopping - and the ones who are (due to "needs" - not "wants") are doing what they have to in order to survive.. Put the $30 price tag on the coat that is manufactured here and that's the one the person in the above scenario would purchase - because that's what they can afford..

I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that.. Sorry..:confused3

You are saying people aren't out there buying non-essentials every day ~ I say they are.

There are more than 4 people in the world. :laughing:


I don't know how I can be any more clear. Just because you aren't out there doesn't mean no one is. There are plenty of people buying, and they aren't all buying "needs".
 
You are saying people aren't out there buying non-essentials every day ~ I say they are.

There are more than 4 people in the world. :laughing:


I don't know how I can be any more clear..

:sad2:

Good night.. Sleep well..
 
That's why I love going to arts and crafts fairs. Where local people make things to be sold. Not a lot of it is every day essentials, but it's nice to have handmade products.
My great aunt does a lot of quilting. She used to do it at church in a group and at home on her own. One of her last quilts she made, she spent over 300 hours on a queen size. It sold at auction for just over 600$. At first I was like :eek: for just a quilt?? Then you think about it, that's still under $2 per hour of work, plus the cost of materials. And she only does it by hand.

When I went to Indiana, there were a lot of complaints about the Covered Bridge Festival this year. Originally, to get a booth, you had to be a local resident. Now they've opened it up. And there's a few people that fly in from overseas to sell stuff. They weren't happy about having manufactured products sold there. It used to be all handmade/home made stuff by the locals.
 
Seeing "lots" of people in the malls and stores doesn't equal "everyone"..
Nobody said "everyone"!!!! As a matter of fact, the word I used was "people".
bicker said:
Just reading the CB today, people are out buying game systems, and home decor, and myriad other discretionary items. That means that they can afford to pay more for essentials, using the extra money that they instead spend on non-essentials. People leave money to their descendants; this is yet-more money that people could have used to pay more for American goods.

And there are myriad examples in the past where the American product went toe-to-toe with the foreign product and lost, not on quality (at least not initially) but simply on price, and people who could surely have afforded to pay more for the American product instead choose to pay less for the foreign product, made less costly because the people making it get compensated poorly.

Everyone is not in the same financial situation.. So - no - not "everyone" is out there shopping just for the sake of shopping
But people are. While the amount has decreased, practically every Christmas present, practically every bit of cosmetics, practically every video game system is a discretionary purchase.
 
What I find most surprising is some of the items the list includes given that the list is supposed to be iconic American things. I would have never thought to connect the manufacture of cell phones, flatware or sardines primarily with the USA:confused3

As to the whys of why fewer and fewer products are being manufactured in the USA--I agree with Bicker (and others) that this is primarily consumer driven. The fact of the matter is that most Americans prefer to pay less for a product (even preferring to pay less NOW for a low quality product which they will likely have to replace in a year than paying more for a higher quality one that will last decades). I also agree that the vast majority of Americans DO have discretionary money to spend and prefer to buy more cheap things with it than fewer more costly items. Just look at how many more things a typical American owns now than they did 100 years ago. Look at how many more clothing items, kitchen gadgets, square feet in their homes, etc.
Look at how many Americans now consider cable and internet to be necessities or vacations to be a right.

C Ann--since you bring up yourself as an example of someone who has no extra $$ to spend (you and your DD are not out in the stores shopping you say) I can just say that from your posts only I know that you have a place to live with your DD and do live there half the year, yet you continue to maintain a second address "at the lake." You buy lots and lots of books (online--not supporting a locally run book store). You have a computer and internet connection. You buy crayons and other craft items. You own a TV and have cable (based on you checking the weather channel every day). Your DD is about to buy a new dryer (also not a necessity--I run mine maybe twice a month for convenience's sake--but folding racks set up in the basement or even the living room do indeed work).
Please don't misunderstand. I think all of those expenditures are FINE and totally your business. I have no issue with the expenses whatsoever. I do, however, take issue with people who have such expenditures claiming they have no money going to discretionary spending that could possibly be going to spending more for less items and those fewer items being then locally made, higher quality, etc.

As far as cars go--the make or model tells you virtually nothing about where it is made. Some "domestic" cars have virtually no domestic parts in them and are not even assembled domestically whereas other "foreign" cars may have substantially more domestically manufactured parts and be assembled in the US.
My husband works for a German company. They have plants in 46 countries. Every mass produced car in the world has at least one of their parts in it (this was the case as of 2005 anyway--the new report on the 2010 figures is not out yet that I am aware of). I would guess most cars these days have parts made in at least 20 different countries (and engineering work done in 2-3 at a minimum).
 
Actually, people were talking about buying souvenirs.

Because there is a cost to higher reliability, and Americans demand a lot more money to do the same work as folks in other countries do.

Yet, Toyotas and Honda's cost more then their corresponding "American made" car but people still buy them :confused3 . People WILL pay for quality because they know the overall cost of ownership is less in the long run.
 
Yup, which is exactly what caused the explosion of Walmarts. :sad2:
I know it's really easy to blame "Walmart" for this situation, but they're a rather over-simplistic bogeyman. Anyone that thinks price consciousness is a modern phenomenon needs to ask someone that was alive during the 1930's if their parents put real value in being able to stretch a dollar when out shopping. The difference back then was that cheaper overseas made products weren't really an option. If you'd wanted to make most products in places like China 50 or 60 years ago there wasn't really the global infrastructure to do so cheaply. You didn't have cheap and fast transportation to bring product overseas like we do today thanks to things like containerized shipping system and large modern sea ports. You didn't have reduced trade barriers that allowed our products to move overseas... but also allowed their products here in return.

You also didn't have the quality in overseas (mainly Asian) products that you do today. When I was a kid, I remember that "Japanese" was synonymous with "cheap" and "inferior". But the Japanese manufacturers realized that quality was a real barrier that they needed to overcome before their products would be accepted as equals on the World stage. Part of their solution was to set up industry standards organizations (sort of a cross between The Good Housekeeping Seal, UL Laboratories, and J.D. Powers) that would certify the quality of products of member companies. It worked. That same process has elevated many Korean products from "cheap junk" (ex. Goldstar) to cutting edge (ex. LG.... the same company re-branded). China still has a long way to go in this area, but they no doubt have taken a lot of notes.
 
I know it's really easy to blame "Walmart" for this situation, but they're a rather over-simplistic bogeyman. Anyone that thinks price consciousness is a modern phenomenon needs to ask someone that was alive during the 1930's if their parents put real value in being able to stretch a dollar when out shopping. The difference back then was that cheaper overseas made products weren't really an option. If you'd wanted to make most products in places like China 50 or 60 years ago there wasn't really the global infrastructure to do so cheaply. You didn't have cheap and fast transportation to bring product overseas like we do today thanks to things like containerized shipping system and large modern sea ports. You didn't have reduced trade barriers that allowed our products to move overseas... but also allowed their products here in return.

But if people weren't buying what Walmart was selling (cheap junk), then they wouldn't have exploded like they did. :)

Growth takes money.
 
And there are myriad examples in the past where the American product went toe-to-toe with the foreign product and lost, not on quality (at least not initially) but simply on price, and people who could surely have afforded to pay more for the American product instead choose to pay less for the foreign product, made less costly because the people making it get compensated poorly.

And now I pay more for a "Japanese" car (though it was not built in Japan) because of the quality. And I'm not alone. I think people would buy American if there was a reason. Either lower price or higher quality.
 
But if people weren't buying what Walmart was selling (cheap junk), then they wouldn't have exploded like they did. :)

Growth takes money.
Actually, most of the items that Walmart sells are brands that are sold by lots of other retailers too. They also are by no means the only mass-merchandiser discount chain out there. Also, before Walmart, people had a lot of the same complaints about Kmart, which got rolling in the 1960's.
 
Actually, most of the items that Walmart sells are brands that are sold by lots of other retailers too. They also are my no means the only mass-merchandiser chain out there. Also, before Walmart, people had a lot of the same complaints about Kmart, which got rolling in the 1960's.

I'm hoping Walmart goes the way of Kmart. ;)

I agree that many of the names are the same.
 
But if people weren't buying what Walmart was selling (cheap junk), then they wouldn't have exploded like they did. :)

Growth takes money.

They would then shop at Target, Kmart, Shopko or any other list of discount retailers then. Walmart grew because of a smart business plan that addressed the desires of consumers, period. You can put in all the fancy, high priced stores that only sell American made goods but they aren't going to make it in this society. People want the most bang for their buck and if that means they can save $50 on a TV they will. What is wrong with that? If the US ONLY bought "American" products the world economy would tank so fast and create probably a depression worse then anything we have seen before. The people that work in the Chinese factories need to eat too. It is not the US that creates the problems for people in China, Taiwan, etc. it is their governments.

In our old town the downtown retailers caused a HUGE stink when Walmart came to town, many of them went out of business and blamed Walmart yet NONE of them look internally and saw that their failure was their own fault. NONE of the stores downtown were in direct competition with Walmart. Many of the stores were upscale clothing stores selling sweaters starting at $100 or more in a town that was a pretty simple town where jeans and T-shirts were pretty standard. I would go into these stores and see the prices and leave. T-shirts were selling for $68 :lmao:. Their response was that "people in this town have a lot of money but they don't spend it here". Yes, people had a lot of money but they were FRUGAL and you were NOT providing what people wanted, plain and simple.
 
They would then shop at Target, Kmart, Shopko or any other list of discount retailers then. Walmart grew because of a smart business plan that addressed the desires of consumers, period. You can put in all the fancy, high priced stores that only sell American made goods but they aren't going to make it in this society. People want the most bang for their buck and if that means they can save $50 on a TV they will. What is wrong with that? If the US ONLY bought "American" products the world economy would tank so fast and create probably a depression worse then anything we have seen before. The people that work in the Chinese factories need to eat too. It is not the US that creates the problems for people in China, Taiwan, etc. it is their governments.

But if there was not such a demand for "stuff" in this country, the people of China and other countries wouldn't have to work like they do.

I find the "consumerism" drive of this country fascinating. And generally speaking, how everyone has to have more, more, more. Of what? Most of it is junk. :confused3

If I'm thinking of the same town you're referring to, people in that town do have a lot of money. lol
 
Walmart grew because of a smart business plan that addressed the desires of consumers, period.
You are correct. One key part of the strategy was to, until recent years, concentrate mainly on smaller under-served rural markets deemed "too small" by other chains for much attention. Which is why my in-law's county (pop. ~31,000) had a Walmart years before ours (pop. ~238,000) had one.
 


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