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Pretty good friends of ours rented a beach house at Myrtle Beach for their just turned 17 year old daughter and several of her 16-17 year old girlfriends for a week at the beach. Our daughter was also invited, however, when she mentioned to her younger sibling that there would be boys there too, we told her she could not go.

Reason being the boys are 19, 20 and 21 year old college boys.
Seems the boys told their parents that they were going to the beach as just a bunch of guys, and the girls told their parents that just other girls were going.

Supposedly one of the 19 year old guys is friends with a couple of the girls, the others really don't know each other that well.

Would you want to be called if you thought your daughter was in this situation? Or son for that matter?
 
Definitely. It takes a village. I don't need anyone to "mind their business". But, I wouldn't let my 17 year old spend a week at the beach either.
 
Where are the parents? I can't imagine someone would rent to a bunch of teenagers.

No one would. So one of the girls parents rented the house for them thinking it was for just the girls to stay at.
 

Pretty good friends of ours rented a beach house at Myrtle Beach for their just turned 17 year old daughter and several of her 16-17 year old girlfriends for a week at the beach. Our daughter was also invited, however, when she mentioned to her younger sibling that there would be boys there too, we told her she could not go.

Reason being the boys are 19, 20 and 21 year old college boys.
Seems the boys told their parents that they were going to the beach as just a bunch of guys, and the girls told their parents that just other girls were going.

Supposedly one of the 19 year old guys is friends with a couple of the girls, the others really don't know each other that well.

Would you want to be called if you thought your daughter was in this situation? Or son for that matter?

No. Mind your own business unless there's dire danger afoot, imo.

It's the parents' responsibility to discuss any rules or expectations with their own kids, and/or deal with whatever the kids do.

Even if the trip was just girls or just guys, it's not like they couldn't have gone out to the beach and met some guys or girls and brought them back to the house. :confused3 Same deal, it's the parents' deal to set whatever rules they feel like setting, or not.

Personally, I wouldn't expect a group of teens in a beach house for a week would stay away from members of the opposite sex (or same sex if that's their thing), regardless.
 
No. Mind your own business unless there's dire danger afoot, imo.

It's the parents' responsibility to discuss any rules or expectations with their own kids, and/or deal with whatever the kids do.

Even if the trip was just girls or just guys, it's not like they couldn't have gone out to the beach and met some guys or girls and brought them back to the house. :confused3 Same deal, it's the parents' deal to set whatever rules they feel like setting, or not.

Personally, I wouldn't expect a group of teens in a beach house for a week would stay away from members of the opposite sex (or same sex if that's their thing), regardless.

:thumbsup2 times a million! Also, the daughter is 17, not 14. At that point, she should have her own personal judgment to help her out. Is she going to college soon? Imagine, years of spending time with the opposite sex...
 
Would you want to be called if you thought your daughter was in this situation? Or son for that matter?

Absolutely. Teenage girls spending the night in a house with older guys who they don't know well is at best unwise and at worst unsafe, IMO.
 
Absolutely. Teenage girls spending the night in a house with older guys who they don't know well is at best unwise and at worst unsafe, IMO.

Most everyone involved is college age apparently, which means they can and do or will very soon be living in the same house/building/room with people of the opposite sex they don't know.

As the poster above says, it's not like it's 14-year-olds.

Also, really, not for nothing but teen girls with guys in a house is unwise and/or unsafe? That just reads as 'girls, innocent, helpless creatures/guys, scary, uncontrollable rapists.'
 
Most everyone involved is college age apparently, which means they can and do or will very soon be living in the same house/building/room with people of the opposite sex they don't know.

As the poster above says, it's not like it's 14-year-olds.

Also, really, not for nothing but teen girls with guys in a house is unwise and/or unsafe? That just reads as 'girls, innocent, helpless creatures/guys, scary, uncontrollable rapists.'

16-year-old girls are not college age any more than 14-year-olds are driving age. Teenage girls are more likely to become sexually active with older guys and, in general, what the average 16-year-old girl is looking for from a member of the opposite sex she has just met and what the average 21-year-old male is looking for from a member of the opposite sex he has just met are very different and in terms of a power differential, the older male has the advantage.

I absolutely stand by my statement that this is an unsafe situation. Because sexual assault is so under reported most people are not in the position to know how common it is (particularly by "friends" and acquaintances). As someone who asks individuals about their history of sexual assault as part of my job, I am.

It is parents job to protect their kids and in this case the parents do not have the information they need to do that (or even to make their own call as to whether they're okay with this situation).

Honestly, I don't understand treating teenagers as if they are grown or nearly grown. Head scans of teengers resemble the brain scans of people who are brain injured. The areas of the brain governing insight and judgment are still half-baked until someone is 22 or so. The adolescent years are when kids have the opportunity to make decisions that have serious and long-reaching consequences. Leaving kids to their own devices at that point makes absolutely no sense to me.
 
Honestly, I don't understand treating teenagers as if they are grown or nearly grown. Head scans of teengers resemble the brain scans of people who are brain injured. The areas of the brain governing insight and judgment are still half-baked until someone is 22 or so. The adolescent years are when kids have the opportunity to make decisions that have serious and long-reaching consequences. Leaving kids to their own devices at that point makes absolutely no sense to me.

the parents already made the decision to leave the kids to their own devices for a week.
 
Pretty good friends of ours rented a beach house at Myrtle Beach for their just turned 17 year old daughter and several of her 16-17 year old girlfriends for a week at the beach. Our daughter was also invited, however, when she mentioned to her younger sibling that there would be boys there too, we told her she could not go.

Reason being the boys are 19, 20 and 21 year old college boys.
Seems the boys told their parents that they were going to the beach as just a bunch of guys, and the girls told their parents that just other girls were going.

Supposedly one of the 19 year old guys is friends with a couple of the girls, the others really don't know each other that well.

Would you want to be called if you thought your daughter was in this situation? Or son for that matter?

Do the people who rented out the house know what is up? Are the girl's parents going to be there too? Is it legal in Myrtle Beach to rent a house and let a bunch of minors stay there unattended? So many red flags on this one - the boys are considered adults, one is 21 years old so can legally obtain alcohol, and some people here think it's OK for a 16 year old girl to spend the night with a 21 year old guy that she doesn't even know?

OP, you did the right thing. I'd even give the reason why when you talk to the girl's parents to thank them for inviting her, or at least ask them if they will be there, etc.
 
16-year-old girls are not college age any more than 14-year-olds are driving age. Teenage girls are more likely to become sexually active with older guys and, in general, what the average 16-year-old girl is looking for from a member of the opposite sex she has just met and what the average 21-year-old male is looking for from a member of the opposite sex he has just met are very different and in terms of a power differential, the older male has the advantage.

I absolutely stand by my statement that this is an unsafe situation. Because sexual assault is so under reported most people are not in the position to know how common it is (particularly by "friends" and acquaintances). As someone who asks individuals about their history of sexual assault as part of my job, I am.

It is parents job to protect their kids and in this case the parents do not have the information they need to do that (or even to make their own call as to whether they're okay with this situation).

Honestly, I don't understand treating teenagers as if they are grown or nearly grown. Head scans of teengers resemble the brain scans of people who are brain injured. The areas of the brain governing insight and judgment are still half-baked until someone is 22 or so. The adolescent years are when kids have the opportunity to make decisions that have serious and long-reaching consequences. Leaving kids to their own devices at that point makes absolutely no sense to me.

Fourteen-year-olds can't legally drive. There's no such ban on 16-year-olds in college, it's not impossible, it happens.

Besides, it's a 17-year-old, and there are plenty of 17-year-olds in college. It's also her 16-17-year-old friends, and a bunch of '19-, 20-, and 21-year-old guys'

Which somehow became in your post, 16-year-old girls and 21-year-old guys. Which can coexist in college, but 17, 19, 20, etc., coexist in colleges alll over the place.

I don't buy men are rapists waiting to happen thing and that somehow a group of girls and a group of guys they know in a house together at the beach is 'unsafe' by its nature. Yes, I know there are plenty of sex crimes. I don't think that means any time there aren't parents around teenagers someone is getting attacked, nor do I think anyone needs a beach house to have sex.

As noted, the parents are renting the teens a beach house for a week's vacation. I don't know ANY parents, I can't even think of any parents I think I've ever met in life, who'd think that that'd mean there would not be any members of the opposite (or same) sex involved all week. They're going to the beach to hang out.

Hence, I think they've made whatever rules or had whatever discussions they're going to have and it's up to them. The 'information they need to protect' the teen girls they're again, renting a beach house for so they can go for a week, is that there might be boys involved? I really think this would be about as shocking as finding Lindsay Lohan in a ditch.

Girls - or boys - at a beach vacation, will find teens they're attracted to and hang out with them seems kind of obvious.

Regardless, I suppose we'll just agree to disagree. First, they are nearly grown, the people involved are, as I said, mostly college age (and almost college age) and are obviously together enough to handed a house for a week to go hang at the beach. I think kids learn better by doing than by being sheltered, personally, and it's not as if it's one innocent, helpless girl with a bunch of 21-year-old men. It's two groups of kids.
 
I would say something since the kids lied to their parents about who was going to be staying in the house.
 
No one would. So one of the girls parents rented the house for them thinking it was for just the girls to stay at.

So some 16 or 17 year old has parents who would rent a beach house for this bunch of underage children to stay at alone for a week?

No wonder kids are such screwballs....look at what's raising them....
 
No way would I call the parents and tattle on the teens. I would mind my own business and not let my own dd go.
 
No, I wouldn't let my daughter and if your friends ask why your daughter didn't go then I would be honest with them.
 
The parents of the girl who rented the house will be liable for just about anything that happens. And, yes, 17 year olds do go to college, but the fact the parents rented the house for a group of underage girls only and their daughter is obviously lying to them, this probably will not end well.

I would also be entirely honest to anyone who asked or brought it up and I might say something to the other parents.

This would be for EVERYONE'S protection. It's not "tattling". Seriously?
 
The parents of the girl who rented the house will be liable for just about anything that happens. And, yes, 17 year olds do go to college, but the fact the parents rented the house for a group of underage girls only and their daughter is obviously lying to them, this probably will not end well.

I would also be entirely honest to anyone who asked or brought it up and I might say something to the other parents.

This would be for EVERYONE'S protection. It's not "tattling". Seriously?

It is tattling, you can try to try to make yourself feel like less of a busy body and justify it by saying its for the good of everybody, but it is tattling, plain and simple.

Do you people really believe these parents are that clueless? I don't, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they do know what could happen, and still have decided to let their teens do it. And on the off chance that they are really that clueless, it still wouldn't be my business on what they choose to let their kids do. I'll stick to taking care of my kids, and let everyone else do the same.
 
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No, I wouldn't let my daughter and if your friends ask why your daughter didn't go then I would be honest with them.


I wouldn't let my daughter go. Don't care if she's almost college aged, she wouldn't be going. My kid, my responsibility, my decisions. I'd make sure she understood why I wasn't giving her permission to go, but she wouldn't be going.

I don't understand the whole "she's almost college age" line of thinking. What is the logic of this? Sure, 14 is almost old enough to drive, but it's illegal; 17 is almost old enough to rent a place, but it's illegal... as is drinking. 17 is old enough to avoid the charge of statutory rape, but 16 isn't. It's still illegal... so why is it OK to overlook this just because they are almost college students? Besides, when was the last time college aged kids made the best decisions? The LAW says they are adults (unless they want a beer) but we all know how level-headed college kids are...not. Just because I don't let her go doesn't mean DD isn't prepared for the big, bad world. She's not stupid or naive, as some seem to suggest. It's not like we raised her in a box; we just don't choose to let her walk into questionable situations if we can avoid this. Learning to be an adult takes just as much guidance and support, if not more, than learning to swim does. When your kids couldn't swim at all, did you just toss them into the deep end of the pool and hope for the best? So why would you do something similar here and hope for the best, just because they are almost college aged?
 
No, I would not allow dd to go and yes, if the parents asked why, I would tell them. Would I seek them out to tell them, no, I wouldn't. I would assume the parents are somewhere in the 30's and 40's and have thought about the consequences of renting a beach house for a group ith no adults attending. The only 'adults' are 19 and 20 yo college students. Do I think they will have a grand time...sure. Even if the guys weren't staying, they would be able to find plenty of guys on the beach. When I was in my late teens, my bil and a bunch of his friends rented a beach house in Ocean City every summer. There was always company..and always lots of it in differing ages. Including locals.
We enjoyed ourselves hru a couple summers. But the difference is we were all over 18 and the rental was in the bil/friends names.

As a parent, I would never envision myself renting a beach house for a group of teens, same sex or otherwise. You would be kidding yourself if you think you won't be taking a risk in some fashion. Do your friends live in Orlando with you? If so Myrtle Beach is 8 hours way or so. I would be worried about highway driving with 16 and 17 yo who just got their license! Then emergancies with no legal adult around.

I can think of many reasons why my dd wouldn't go.

Kelly
 

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