$15.00 Free-for-all

[LvsTnk]

Wow Lisa F, the power of the internet. Interesting to see it from your point of view.

 

[DianeV]

I'll be interested in seeing if Disney is worried as much about this as some of the posters on here are. Believe me if they are they will take care of it and dont need anyone doing any name calling on their behalf.

 

[Briar Rose 7457]

Originally posted by familyoffive
Honestly, theft is theft. There actually is no binding contract unless you have received your order. Furthermore, as a shareholder, I don't understand how you would condone this practice of theft. The orders placed on the site are easily traced and are voidable. In terms of public relations, the people who placed these questionable orders could be identified by the order patterns. For example, if you normally order once in a 7 day period and you ordered multiple times during this code, it would be very easy to identify.

you are mistaken about what makes a contract binding.

I have practiced law for almost twenty years.

the essence of a contract is "offer and acceptance". not delivery or payment. Disney made the offer, and those who purchased merchandise accepted it. it is binding on Disney unless Disney can show a "mutual mistake", i.e, that both parties were mistaken as to the terms of the contract. given that this is a consumer contract, Disney would have ahard time voiding it legally.

Disney changed the rules today. now they require you to produce the card containing the code with your payment. they didn't have that requirement when the orders were placed. legally they have to honro the orders they took.


true, disney intended to limit the offer to a certain group of consumers -- but they didn't say so in the offer. their problem, not the comsumer's.

 

[TarraLee]

Briar Rose-
Well said, thanks for posting an "authority's" view. I'm a lowly 1L, and we just finished consideration last week in K class. It is amazing where you find that stuff useful, even on the DIS boards

A disney trip after first semster finals is my motivation right now.....

 

[Lisa F]

I started my order in the morning and had the item sitting in my shopping cart with discount applied. In the early evening after checking to see that my husband didn't want anythign else I tried to complete the order and the discount was gone. Called the disney store (not my local DS, the 800# for the catalog) and was told that we had to do a mail order in order to get the discount becaues the code had been released on the internet and that hadn't been their intention. I was told that I could still use the card at the disney store and as I had to go to the mall for a few other things, I just used it there since I wasn't sure when I'd be at the mall again between now and the offer expiration.

So I guess that's the reason I didn't go back to the main page of the disney store online and see what the deal was, I wasn't really aware that all of this nonsense and buying of gift cards etc was going on. I was just trying to use my coupon. Oh well, better luck next time I guess.

And for the people who keep saying "sour grapes" I don't see how it can be sour grapes when using a code that I knew I wasn't entitled to wouldn't be something I would've done in the first place. I had the card in hand and it seemed pretty obvious to me that it was a one time per card deal for people who had taken advantage of the previous offer. As far as what anyone else was thinking, I don't know. Like I said, you have to listen to your own conscience. My point in posting was not to call anyone a thief but rather to share why I think this was definately a mistake and not a promotion that disney MEANT to set into motion.

Lisa

 

[peachgirl]

Lisa.....Actually the details on the discount are on the ordering page, not the main page. When you enter the code "holiday" a link comes up to click on for the details I listed in my post. You may well have been in that grey zone where they were making the change, but actually at that time the site was closed so who knows. At any rate, I think we can politely disagree as to whether this was a mistake on Disney's part, but my problem lies with those so quick to call people all sorts of awful things for who knows what reason. Those of us who used the code didn't have the card in hand and didn't know the details of the offer. As for myself, I made those purchases in good faith, assuming that Disneystore.com knows how to run their business and would not allow me to purchase with a code I wasn't entitled to. I don't feel guilty about it at all and resent being called a thief and looter by some. If mousesavers was posting the code as a legitimate discount (and I don't believe they would post anything they didn't think was legitimate) then I don't think the average consumer can be held responsible for knowing facts even Mousesavers didn't know.

 

[CajunDixie]

Well peachgirl I feel you're wrong. Lisa was affected by people taking advantage of the code only meant for postcard holders. You showed a quote from the Disney Store site but you failed to show the complete quote

"Holiday Magic Card Redemption

To redeem your Holiday Magic Card*, please complete your online order and mail your Holiday Magic Card, along with your name, address and online order number, to

Disney Online
P.O. Box 29144
Shawnee Mission, KS
66201-9144

We will credit your account within 30 days for qualifying merchandise up to $15 plus $.39 for postage.

* This promotional card is redeemable for $15 towards the purchase of merchandise sold at any Disney Store in the U.S., at Disney catalog, or on DisneyStore.com. Card valid for one transaction only. Not valid on theme park passes, Disney Dollars, gift certificates, gift cards, pre-sales, animation art (all cels and limited edition prints), Walt Disney Classics Collection, Disney Store phone orders, or shipping and handling. Not valid in combination with any other sales promotion, gift with purchase offer, or discount. Merchandise must be in stock at time of purchase and can only be exchanged for identical items & returned at the discounted price with a valid sales receipt. Not valid on previous purchases or price adjustments. This card cannot be copied and will not replaced if lost, stolen, or damaged. Promotional card has no cash value. Void where prohibited. Employees of the Walt Disney Company, its subsidiaries and their immediate families are ineligible. Use of this card is acceptance of its terms and conditions. "


Instead of getting the $15 credited instantly she now has to wait up to 30 days so that Disney can see proof that she has the card.

People seem to forget Disney is not some sort of god.....its merely a business run and operated by regular people. So what if those people have gone to college.....are they not allowed to be human and make a mistake? Ticket increases have nothing to do with the Disney Store....the parks and stores are run separately. As for those who are calling it a clearance sale could you please explain to me how "pre"ordering Stitch and Lilo movies is a clearance when they are not even in stock yet? Its funny how some people justify their orders by saying they knew the cards shouldnt be purchased but yet felt no guilt for placing numerous orders for merchandise. And for those who say this was not a mistake made by Disney then how do you explain the postcards sent to the loyal customers? If its not a mistake then why was the offer not on their homepage? Offers that are open to anyone are there on the homepage.....and right now that is free shipping on a purchase of at least $100.

Disney isnt a mom and pop business....but it was a business started by one man's dream.....too bad when people turn that dream into a nightmare.

 

[patsal]

$15.00 off a $15.00 purchase coupons come out often from many different companies. I have often taken multiple coupons to the stores they are from or redeemed on line multiple times. So long as you have the code or coupon no one ever says you can't do that. After the purchase I have also received more coupons inviting me back to do the same thing. (Sometimes even better ones $25.00off a $25.00 purchase). When I saw the code advertised in more than one place I mistakenly thought it was legitimate and used it to place 2 orders. ALthough I would have purchased similiar things at the Disney store, I bought more extravagantly. Rather than just the Lilo DVD I ordered the big set, figuring a nicer gift for about the same as I would have spent on the plain DVD without the code. Later I thought that a new pair of PJ's would be nice for DD and then I added a few extra things to that order. Even if the offer was not intended to be used that way, I spent more money than I would have without the savings.

 

[CajunDixie]

LOL So since Mousesavers said it was ok that makes it right? Have you conviently forgotten Mousesavers is run by one of the DIS regulars and that she is human too? Funny how she makes sure no one takes advantage of offers she gets from businesses that are for her members only (even goes as far as having Mods remove posts)....but she freely posts information on codes that werent meant for the general public.

 

[patsal]

Whatever! Mistakes are mistakes. I made a mistake and if Disney calls me on that fine. I'll go to the disney store and purchase just the plain DVD for the same price I would have gotten the "deluxe set" for, and I'll save the money I spent on the PJ's, etc. to fund the vacation I plan on using a code to pay for. Lol

 

[DianeV]

Seriously folks many of you seem more worried about this then Disney is. I say let them take care of it if they choose to do so. If they made a mistake that is their responsibility to handle it however they choose. They dont need posters on here calling people names.

Most who used this code used it because it was posted and it worked. They didnt know it was only for certain people and the site didnt say otherwise.

Until Disney contacts people who used this code telling them it was a mistake I dont think its very fair to judge anyone.

 

[peachgirl]

You showed a quote from the Disney Store site but you failed to show the complete quote

Well, just add mis-representer(is that even a word)? to my list of sins. I didn't include it because it would have taken half the page and everyone can go read the details which I said were there. Someone who has done the mail order version of this discount is welcome to correct me, but isn't that what you had to do all along on mail order? The point is, she didn't lose the discount or the availability to purchase online. I won't argue the point of whether this was an error on Disney's part or not...I can see the validity of the argument that it may have been. So, let's assume that Disney did not intend for everyone to have access to this code. In that case, the only place you "should" get an instant discount is in the store, otherwise even those who "earned" the card can "abuse" it. Bottom line....no one who "earned" the discount has lost a dime. I respect mousesavers...even they apparently misunderstood this offer. It doesn't make anyone a thief or a looter or anything else awful.

 

[DianeV]

Actually no one who had the actual card lost out. Sounds as if it originally was supposed to say that you had to mail in the card correct? The only thing that happened is that Disney realized they didnt say that on the website..how did anyone lose out?

 

[WDW2002]

Originally posted by zakatak
If you walked upon a store (say Walmart) that had accidentally been left open overnight (lights on, nobody home)... Would you walk in and steal merchandise just because "It's their mistake, they should have locked up the joint"?

This is OBVIOUSLY stealling, unless there is an "official" walmart sign stating, feel free to take what you want.

Using a coupon code to your advantage is the retailers mistake. 3 years ago I took advantage of many $15 off $15+ orders and got a lot of christmas gifts this way. Was I stealing? NO, I do not think I was. The retailer put the offer out there.

 

[Lisa F]

Just to clarify, it seems that mainly my timing was bad.

I started the order by putting my item in my shopping cart and then applied the coupon code at the proper place. I then was waiting for my husband to decide if we wanted anything else, I went to the other room to do some work for several hours and when I came back and tried to resume the order, the discount was gone and there was no way that I could see to apply the "holiday" code. It was just gone.

I called the 800# to ask about it and the CM had no clue what I was talking about. Went to talk to a supervisor and came back and said that the code had been plastered all over the internet and that because of it the promotion had been cancelled and there were no more $15 dicounts, period. I asked what about the people who actually had the card? She put me on hold again and spoke to a supervisor and came back and said that I could use the card at the disney store itself or I could send in a mail order with the card attached to it to redeem it. She said I could not use it on the internet or on the phone because they had no way to determine who had the card and who didn't. I thanked her and hung up and ordered my thing with DC discount instead (I'd been waiting to order it to use the coupon on it but whatever).

That evening I had to go to the mall so we decided to go to the one with the disney store in it to use the card (since it expires 11/10 and I knew I'd forget I had it if I didn't use it while I was thinking of it) and there was nothing much we wanted so we just bought stuff to use it up. I would've MUCH preferred to use it on the item I had been planning to buy, but because of my timing in calling they didn't quite have their act together and I wasn't able to. I didn't think to just sit on it for a while and call back later about it.

Anyway, my whole point in posting was to say that I do believe it was a mistake made by Disney and not their intention to run this promotion to get people to buy more stuff (as some other posters said). The date of this promotion is from 11/1-11/10 and it's clear they pulled it early and changed to rules to deal with people who weren't entitled to it using it (their fault for setting it up to allow that). Do I think people are theives? Nope, ESPECIALLY not peachgirl (hehe).

I do think that some people used the code a ridiculous number of times and for gift cards and that some (I can't say how many or how few) of those people know in their heart of hearts that the promotion was not intended to be used that way. I think a lot of people saw a code and used it, even if they were not entitled to it, without knowing that they weren't entitled to it because of the way Disney set it up. I do think that some people had a nagging feeling that they hadn't done the right thing and were saying that Disney must've intended the promotion to work the way it did to make themselves feel better. I do not happen to think that Disney meant for the promotion to work that way based on my full understanding of the promotion.

Whatever, it's over now. I just wanted to clarify how my particular chain of events happened so that I "lost out" on what I wanted to use the coupon for (and there were some implications above that I was either lying or stupid and I can assure you that I am neither) and I wanted to clear that up.

Lisa

 

[Saffron]

I have yet to hear that the code was a mistake?? If Disney cancels my orders because of their mistake AND my MISTAKE, so be it. That's the way I think it should be (that's just my opinion). I never tried to steal or defraud anyone out of anything. Funny that some should question my ethics, or the ethics of others, when they know nothing about us. I wouldn't sit in judgement of anyone. That's not my job.

I hope Disney gives us a choice of continuing with our orders, or canceling them. I placed 5 orders, I'll cancel one if I find out that I shouldn't have used the code. If I can't use the code, I'll group my order, use my Holiday Gift card, and get free shipping and Handling. I hope that's okay with some of you???

Peachgirl. I agree with everything you've written in your responses.

 

[kidzmom3]

I did not come here yesterday, so as an observer only I would just like to say, that I think those that used the code to purchase items, no matter how many times, were withing the rules of the code and should be allowed. For people who ordered the gifts cards (again, did not know about it, did not participate, and its just my opinion), it does seem to be stealing. I know that no store would ever do this on purpose. Have you ever tried to use a discount on a gift certificate it doesn't work.


edited to add: My fried who work for Bath and Body works just informed me, that they are allowed to discount gift certificates for employees and she has had friends give her the money, then they can buy 25 worth for only 19. So maybe it wasn't an error and maybe I am wrong for saying its stealing.

 

[Briar Rose 7457]

Originally posted by TarraLee
Briar Rose-
Well said, thanks for posting an "authority's" view. I'm a lowly 1L, and we just finished consideration last week in K class. It is amazing where you find that stuff useful, even on the DIS boards

A disney trip after first semster finals is my motivation right now.....

and a well deserved trip it will be, too, 1L.

are they still using Calmari and Perillo along with the casebook?

 

[punkin]

God, Briar rose, did you have to mention that book. It brought back memories I'd rather have burried forever.

 

[TarraLee]

For casebook we've got Rosset & Bussel, and no supplement required. K is probably my favorite class, and our Professor is awesome, so I haven't bought any example/explanation books. Outlining it and review today, was just typing in the "barren cow".

Story you might appreciate: in Civ Pro, Prof reads us this LR article:

Young associate in NYC walking through Central Park, apparently homeless man begins asking her for money, she says no, he says, but I graduated from Harvard Law. She says sure, and keeps walking, not giving him any money. As she walks away, he screams at her, "Pennoyer v. Neff, Pennoyer v Neff, darn it, territorial limits on in personam jurisditcion!" She gave him 20 bucks.

Good to know that all of this formalistic thinking won't ruin my 6-year-old's state of mind when it comes to WDW~!