13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

Another one? :( I wonder if these cases are popping up more or if a light has brought it to attention? :confused3

That is a long time to keep someone on the ventilator.

But, there is a crucial difference.

At 22 weeks, the fetus is at the lower end of viability (23 - 24 weeks), while in the Munoz case, I believe she was only 12 weeks along, and nowhere close to being a viable neonate.
 
But, there is a crucial difference.

At 22 weeks, the fetus is at the lower end of viability (23 - 24 weeks), while in the Munoz case, I believe she was only 12 weeks along, and nowhere close to being a viable neonate.

My nephew was born at 28 weeks. He was in NICU for 12 weeks with a couple of babies born even younger. He survived but one of the younger babies didn't.
 
Another one? :( I wonder if these cases are popping up more or if a light has brought it to attention? :confused3

That is a long time to keep someone on the ventilator.

Most mothers would do anything to protect their child. Thankfully, Baby Iver is loved and wanted by his father. Sending thoughts and prayers for a good outcome.
 

Deb in IA said:
But, there is a crucial difference.

At 22 weeks, the fetus is at the lower end of viability (23 - 24 weeks), while in the Munoz case, I believe she was only 12 weeks along, and nowhere close to being a viable neonate.

My feelings exactly. This one plays with my ethics on the deceased, but the fetus is further advanced and there is no question about this one being deformed or disabled (at the moment). My heart actually feels for this family, as they do have a real chance to cling onto part of the past here. Whether its ethically right or not, is a matter for the family. Putting myself in that position, I'd actually want my baby to be given that little extra chance. I know discussing this, my DF has also said he'd do anything he visibly could to keep our baby if we were in this kind of position. I'd also have expected the vents to be switched off if tests had shown damage to the fetus as in the previous case.
 
Most mothers would do anything to protect their child. Thankfully, Baby Iver is loved and wanted by his father. Sending thoughts and prayers for a good outcome.
I'm sure that Erick Munoz loved his daughter Nicole and wanted her to to be a happy and healthy baby. Thankfully, Baby Iver has more of a chance to be a healthy baby.
 
Most mothers would do anything to protect their child. Thankfully, Baby Iver is loved and wanted by his father. Sending thoughts and prayers for a good outcome.

:thumbsup2 And who cares who is paying to keep this baby alive the fact this child will have a shot at life should be the only thing anyone should be worried about.
 
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I started this thread a while back, just noticed for the first time my title calls her a gir instead of a girl.
 
:thumbsup2 And who cares who is paying to keep this baby alive the fact this child will have a shot at life should be the only thing anyone should be worried about.

That's right. Spare no expense to use a dead woman's body as a birthing vessel and then for the NICU. But, once a woman leaves the hospital and the child goes home, then impose "personal responsibility" and limit the public assistance provide for their health and well being.
 
You can fix that. Go to "edit" of your first post and pick "advanced", and you can change the title.

Oh for HEAVEN's sake no! I may be accused of breaking a rule. (If you go back and read the first few pages of the thread you will see what I mean)
 
I will never understand, why are some so vehemently opposed to protecting the unborn?

It's not a question of "protecting the unborn", as you put it.

It's a question of dying with dignity rather than having your corpse turned into a science experiment in the vain hope that a non-viable fetus will reach maturity healthy and whole.
 
rickybobby said:
Oh for HEAVEN's sake no! I may be accused of breaking a rule. (If you go back and read the first few pages of the thread you will see what I mean)

(Hahahahahahaha! That was rather amusing!)

And back on "topic". What ever that may be now!
 
That's right. Spare no expense to use a dead woman's body as a birthing vessel and then for the NICU. But, once a woman leaves the hospital and the child goes home, then impose "personal responsibility" and limit the public assistance provide for their health and well being.

WOW ! I am sorry did I say anything of the sort?
 
I will never understand, why are some so vehemently opposed to protecting the unborn?

No one here is vehemently opposed to protecting the unborn. We're talking about one specific case, of a very, very severely deformed unborn child, subject to the same oxygen deprivation that killed its mother, and therefore with very little chance of survival with any sort of brain function itself.

It was still a long time away from the point where it could even possibly, in a perfect world, if mother and baby were healthy, survive outside of its mother's body. And forgive me for the bluntness and the visual, but its mother's corpse was obviously decaying around it. The corpse was simply acting as an incubator for the hospital to pass oxygen and nutrients through, and I doubt very much that it would have remained intact long enough for the baby to be 'born'.

I'm sure the baby's father wanted his child to live, very badly. But there comes a time when it's nothing but cruelty to keep a such a horribly damaged being on artificial support, and everyone involved ultimately came to that realization. Once tests were done and the condition of the fetus became clear, even the hospital more or less admitted there was little chance for its survival.
 
No one here is vehemently opposed to protecting the unborn. We're talking about one specific case, of a very, very severely deformed unborn child, subject to the same oxygen deprivation that killed its mother, and therefore with very little chance of survival with any sort of brain function itself.

It was still a long time away from the point where it could even possibly, in a perfect world, if mother and baby were healthy, survive outside of its mother's body. And forgive me for the bluntness and the visual, but its mother's corpse was obviously decaying around it. The corpse was simply acting as an incubator for the hospital to pass oxygen and nutrients through, and I doubt very much that it would have remained intact long enough for the baby to be 'born'.

I'm sure the baby's father wanted his child to live, very badly. But there comes a time when it's nothing but cruelty to keep a such a horribly damaged being on artificial support, and everyone involved ultimately came to that realization. Once tests were done and the condition of the fetus became clear, even the hospital more or less admitted there was little chance for its survival.

Thank you for this. I am very pro-life, but even I thought this is ridiculous. That poor man was unable to grieve the loss of his wife and child. No one should have to fight for nature to truly take its course.
 














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