13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[richmond282]

Speak for yourself. I actually like Lorelei lees posts because they provide good information.

Considering they were originally directed at me, I found them to be quite rude and condescending. A lawyer can state whatever they want in terms of legal mumbo jumbo. I'm allowed to wonder whatever I want. In my mind, I would wonder why no autopsy was performed especially on such a high profile case with the family screaming lawsuit from the rooftops. (You know, Jahi is worth 30 MILLION not that chump change $250,000) If I was told that there was no autopsy for religious reasons, I would hope a lawyer would explain those reasons to me.

As for being a juror, Theoretically I could be seated on a jury. But I have always been dismissed for criminal cases, at least, since my DH works in corrections and convicted criminals would then go "work" for him. I have never been called for civil jury duty.

 

[Handbag Lady]

You can have opinions about this matter, about what's right and what's wrong.


When someone says what they would do as a juror, and it's based on factual misinformation, I will correct factual misinformation.

Personally, I would love to see the results of an autopsy. I would love to see the documents that the court ordered sealed that deal with the cause of Jahi's bleeding/heart attack. I have lots of suspicions about what happened.

My prurient interest notwithstanding, if I were sitting in a court room, I would understand that some information was withheld from me for reasons I might not understand. and if I were on the jury (which is never going to happen -- no rational attorney would put me on a jury) I'd be compelled to follow the law in coming to a decision.

I have seen many cases where information was withheld from the jury. Honestly, though, jurors tend to come to the right decision based on what they know, not what they speculate despite missing information.

You should come to California. We just had a hugely botched case where the foreman and one of the other jurors are attorneys. Honestly, I just cannot believe that the jury made the right decision here. I also found it very curious that the foreman was in the same court when the charges were pressed in the first place.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/l...-by-Jury-in-Kelly-Thomas-Trial-239924741.html

 

[EMom]

If this case goes to trial and there is no autopsy, IMHO, that would have to be addressed. There is every chance it would be part of the jury questionnaire. The potential jurors would be asked if they could make a decision based on all the evidence provided, but without an autopsy. If someone indicated they HAD to have an autopsy or that the lack of one would make them suspicious, they would probably be dismissed. There is no need to ignore the elephant in the room and then have the inevitable problem of jurors wondering, "WTH isn't there an autopsy?"

But if it was ignored until trial, the judge could inform the jury that there is no autopsy and ........at this point the judge would be able to do a few things. He could tell them the lack of an autopsy is not the fault of either party and that they are to assign no weight to the lack of one. Some jurors will accept this and some will still wonder what happened. Or the judge could say the autopsy could not be performed due to degradation of the body, but you can bet the plaintiffs would object to that as it does not reflect well upon them.

To just present all the evidence without addressing the lack of an autopsy is asking for trouble, IMHO. It would not be surprising for some jurors to question the lack of one and where their minds go from there, no one can say. Better to address the lack of an autopsy head on. Really, I cannot believe the hospital would let it pass. At a minimum, they would want to bring in an expert to say that the lack of an autopsy means it is difficult to assign responsibilty for Jahi's death. Of course, the plaintiffs would then being on a witness to rebut that claim.

It is predictable that the lack of an autopsy would matter to some potential jurors. So it needs to be addressed.

 

[bcla]

But if it was ignored until trial, the judge could inform the jury that there is no autopsy and ........at this point the judge would be able to do a few things. He could tell them the lack of an autopsy is not the fault of either party and that they are to assign no weight to the lack of one. Some jurors will accept this and some will still wonder what happened. Or the judge could say the autopsy could not be performed due to degradation of the body, but you can bet the plaintiffs would object to that as it does not reflect well upon them.

I've been on a couple of juries. On both, we had one attorney on each jury, and somehow the attorney became the foreman. I remember the judge stating that questions of the law should be addressed to the judge and not to the attorney on our jury.

However, one trial was a drunk driving case. There was a witness and that was primarily the only evidence that could like the defendant to the crime. We were left wondering how they found the guy, and nothing in the trial pointed to that. That was indeed a question asked (and speculated) in the jury room. In the end it was a hung jury. During the trial we recall that a previous mistrial was brought up including some of the testimony from that trial. We weren't given any information other than that allowed by the judge. At the end we were able to talk to the attorneys. The prosecutor informed us that someone had followed the driver home, but wasn't available to testify. He didn't explain why, but the witness could have been out of state where one couldn't be compelled to testify or perhaps the potential witness had died since. We also found out that the defendant was already in jail on three other drunk driving convictions. If we had known that someone had followed the guy home from the scene it would have been an easy conviction. Personally I think it would have been plea bargained if that were the case.

 

[skylizard]

Speak for yourself. I actually like Lorelei lees posts because they provide good information.

 

[disneychrista]

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[Lisa_C]

http://vid.swagbucks.com/video/brain-dead-teen-now-has-feeding-breathing-tubes/296/268777

I feel bad for these reporters who have to read this crap on tv!

 

[dakcp2001]

No updates?

 

[hereyago]

No updates?

No, crazy quiet.

 

[StitchesGr8Fan]

No, crazy quiet.

im surprised some cousin hasn't tweeted an update

 

[LiveYourLife]

Nothing. Not a peep. I can't even imagine what the state of her body is in. Makes me sick.

 

[Lisa_C]

I don't think we'll hear much at all know. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she is just laying emblamed in cold storage somewhere (sorry to be morbid) because the Mother doesn't want to face it she's gone :-( This poor girl deserves a proper resting place *deep sigh*.


Edit*of course, that should be "...hear much at all NOW" not know!*

 

[MSLRAC]

I don't think we'll hear much at all know. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she is just laying emblamed in cold storage somewhere (sorry to be morbid) because the Mother doesn't want to face it she's gone :-( This poor girl deserves a proper resting place *deep sigh*.

I'm starting to think the same thing. If she was still alive, someone in that family or the lawyer would have released another statement by now saying she was continuing to improve.

 

[dakcp2001]

I have to agree. I have a feeling the heart stopped beating and now they are up to something.

 

[Nancyg56]

5 Days ago there was an article in the LA Times that discussed the facility that is keeping her on the vent. I think that she is still attached to that thing, and that we will hear more when the family runs out of financial support. I do not believe that they have her body somewhere, the "unnamed" facility will make it known if the family removes her, or if they need to step in. THey will not want to be held responsible for any legal issues that arise with this poor girl/

 

[Lisa_C]

5 Days ago there was an article in the LA Times that discussed the facility that is keeping her on the vent. I think that she is still attached to that thing, and that we will hear more when the family runs out of financial support. I do not believe that they have her body somewhere, the "unnamed" facility will make it known if the family removes her, or if they need to step in. THey will not want to be held responsible for any legal issues that arise with this poor girl/

What about the body in cold storage at thus facility? Some have suggested that thus is a "research" centre, maybe for the dead which is another reason why we don't know where she is? I don't think the facility would make it known if she's been removed though as they would have a lot of opposition from the public regardless if she was still there. Their funding could even be withdrawn for treating a dead body is they are a facility that treats patients who are still alive....
I don't think we'll learn where she was originally taken for a long time yet:-/

 

[MinnieLovesMickey12]

What about the body in cold storage at thus facility? Some have suggested that thus is a "research" centre, maybe for the dead which is another reason why we don't know where she is? I don't think the facility would make it known if she's been removed though as they would have a lot of opposition from the public regardless if she was still there. Their funding could even be withdrawn for treating a dead body is they are a facility that treats patients who are still alive....
I don't think we'll learn where she was originally taken for a long time yet:-/

I don't think this is realistic at all. If this facility could possibly have it's funding withdrawn then it never would have taken the girl in the first place. It is not a dead body. It is a girl who is brain dead who currently is being artificially vented but has a beating heart. She is not a corpse. She is BRAIN DEAD. Once her heart stops beating she will be dead, a corpse.

I think the girl very well may have died already but the family asked the facility to not say anything and they could have quietly had her buried or cremated. But I do think if they are seeing dollar signs and actually want to win a lawsuit they need to allow the body to be autopsied.

 

[mhfrau]

This has become such a sad, macabre thing. The one thing that surprises me though is that no one seems to be outraged over the original judge who allowed this whole messed up situation to start. This man is really the one responsible for this. Were it not for him, this would have ended weeks ago. I wonder if he ever thinks about what his original ruling has done to set some very scary precedents.

 

[richmond282]

I don't think this is realistic at all. If this facility could possibly have it's funding withdrawn then it never would have taken the girl in the first place. It is not a dead body. It is a girl who is brain dead who currently is being artificially vented but has a beating heart. She is not a corpse. She is BRAIN DEAD. Once her heart stops beating she will be dead, a corpse.

Yes she is dead, a corpse. Brain dead= dead. Her heart continuing to beat is of no relevance to her being "alive".

 

[LilyWDW]

I don't think this is realistic at all. If this facility could possibly have it's funding withdrawn then it never would have taken the girl in the first place. It is not a dead body. It is a girl who is brain dead who currently is being artificially vented but has a beating heart. She is not a corpse. She is BRAIN DEAD. Once her heart stops beating she will be dead, a corpse.

I think the girl very well may have died already but the family asked the facility to not say anything and they could have quietly had her buried or cremated. But I do think if they are seeing dollar signs and actually want to win a lawsuit they need to allow the body to be autopsied.

I am sorry, but she is a corpse. She is legally dead by any definition. Just because a machine is being used to make the heart pump doesn't change what she is. It stinks and I hate saying it... but she is a corpse. Lets not pretend otherwise.