12/16/06 10-day holiday cruise Part 3

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dee47 said:
OK, it's not like I have too much time on a business trip, but I have to say this: DO NOT -- EVER -- USE COLLOIDAL SILVER.

1) It's useless
2) It's DANGEROUS (and will turn your skin a permanent "interesting" color)
3) It's banned by the FDA, so however you're getting it, it is illegal and therefore -- see #2.

If you want a good summary, go to http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

Airborne works great. So does ColdEEZ (the latter is great if you already have a cold -- mine go away in 2 days when I use it). Acidophilus is great all year, because it is a good bacteria that competes with the bad ones, and it keeps your digestive system healthy.

Anyhow, PLEASE don't use silver.

Dee, :)
have been using it for 8 years. It is also not banned you can buy it across the country in health food stores and you can purchase bandaids that have it on it. Has been recomended for my DH by his Dr. to use for his Hep C that has done wonders for that. All the info you hear on turning blue is from years nad years ago and has only happened to one woman. We even used it in the Hospital and that is where I first found out about it.
It is not illegal. Go look in your heath food store they sell it at a ridiculous price. Im not blue and take it every day. Have never been sick again since I started taking. Had chronic sinus infections and # of other problems. I have not had the fluin 8 years,or any kind of infection for that matter and I love it...Have turned on many people to it and they also have had gret luck with it and cant imagine being without it....But I can never give up a great argument... :) Opinions is what makes the world go round...Great country America... :goodvibes
 
Got Disney said:
Dee, :)
have been using it for 8 years. It is also not banned you can buy it across the country in health food stores and you can purchase bandaids that have it on it. Has been recomended for my DH by his Dr. to use for his Hep C that has done wonders for that. All the info you hear on turning blue is from years nad years ago and has only happened to one woman. We even used it in the Hospital and that is where I first found out about it.
It is not illegal. Go look in your heath food store they sell it at a ridiculous price. Im not blue and take it every day. Have never been sick again since I started taking. Had chronic sinus infections and # of other problems. I have not had the fluin 8 years,or any kind of infection for that matter and I love it...Have turned on many people to it and they also have had gret luck with it and cant imagine being without it....But I can never give up a great argument... :) Opinions is what makes the world go round...Great country America... :goodvibes

T99-39 Print Media: 301-827-6242
August 17, 1999
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

FDA ISSUES FINAL RULE ON
OTC DRUG PRODUCTS CONTAINING COLLOIDAL SILVER
The FDA has issued a Final Rule declaring that all over- the-counter (OTC) drug products containing colloidal silver or silver salts are not recognized as safe and effective and are misbranded.
Colloidal silver is a suspension of silver particles in a colloidal (gelatinous) base. In recent years, colloidal silver preparations of unknown formulation have been appearing in stores. These products are labeled to treat adults and children for diseases including HIV, AIDS, cancer, tuberculosis, malaria, lupus, syphilis, scarlet fever, shingles, herpes, pneumonia, typhoid, tetanus and many others.

According to the Final Rule, a colloidal silver product for any drug use will first have to be approved by FDA under the new drug application procedures. The Final rule classifies colloidal silver products as misbranded because adequate directions cannot be written so that the general public can use these drugs safely for their intended purposes. They are also misbranded when their labeling falsely suggests that there is substantial scientific evidence to establish that the drugs are safe and effective for their intended uses.

The indiscriminate use of colloidal silver solutions has resulted in cases of argyria, a permanent blue-gray discoloration of the skin and deep tissues.

Colloidal silver ingredients and silver salts include silver proteins, mild silver protein, strong silver protein, silver chloride, and silver iodide. The dosage form of these colloidal silver products is usually oral, but product labeling also contains directions for topical and, occasionally, intravenous use.

In reaching its decision, FDA considered all of the information described in the proposed rule (October 15, 1996) and submitted by the public in response to that proposal, the Final Rule becomes effective on September 16, 1999, 30 days after publication.

Also, from the Federal Register:

Comments on Safety and Effectiveness

2. One comment expressed concern that many different silver
products being marketed are inferior products and are not even true
colloids. Another comment stated that the vast majority of silver
products being sold are fraudulent products. The comment noted that it
had tested a number of these products and found that several actually
had no silver content, one did not contain the silver particle size as
stated on the label, and only one product exceeded all stated purity
and stability claims found on the label. The comment added that many of
the products were only duplicates of older colloidal silver products.
The comment considered these ``newer'' products as having the same
dangers, intermittent effectiveness, and lack of stability as the older
products. The comment contended that the vast majority of the colloidal
silver products it tested are totally useless, some were dangerous to
ingest, and some were possibly a threat to life. The comment stated
that it is a major problem to keep off the market these so-called
``colloidal silver'' products that contain significant amounts of
silver ions and silver salts. The comment suggested a revision of the
United States Pharmacopeia (USP) specifications for these products.
Another comment stated that many of the colloidal silver products
it analyzed are considered ``Bredig Sols'' (simple colloidal silver),
referring to Bredig, Heidelberg, 1893. The comment added that a pure
Bredig Sol is simply elemental silver in distilled water, while some
Bredig Sols are mixed with saline to make them isotonic. The comment
mentioned that the silver content in these products (a viable product
could contain 0.005 percent silver) is many magnitudes less than the
silver content of the products discussed by FDA in its safety and
effectiveness evaluation (61 FR 53685 at 53686). The comment contended
that the agency had not reviewed the Bredig Sols and disagreed with the
agency's assumptions that there is an analogous comparison between
colloidal silver proteins and other silver compounds to a simple Bredig
Sol.

[[Page 44655]]

These comments highlight the existing problems in trying to
establish whether any silver salts or colloidal silver ingredients can
be generally recognized as safe and effective. Because of the
acknowledged differences in silver content and particle size of the
silver in various products, it is difficult to draw conclusions from
clinical studies conducted on different silver products. The agency has
minimal manufacturing controls information on these products. The
agency does not have information that assures the strength, quality,
purity, and potency of various silver products used in clinical studies
and other reports included in the comments.
Concerning the comment suggesting a revision of USP specifications,
the proposed rule stated that none of the formerly recognized colloidal
silver preparations (e.g., colloidal silver iodide, strong (or mild)
silver protein, ammoniacal silver nitrate solution) has been official
in the USP or the National Formulary (N.F.) since 1975. It is
industry's responsibility to have these silver ingredients reinstated
in the USP or N.F. and to revise the specifications used in the former
compendial monographs. Concerning ``Bredig Sols,'' the comment did not
provide any specific safety and effectiveness data; thus, the agency is
not able to establish that such products are generally recognized as
safe and effective.

The register also lists studies of effectuveness. And there have been more than than 1 case of argyria documented.
 
It is also known amoung the Medical community that it is being fought very hard by the "pharmacutical companys" because if it is put out there that it works than they will loose Billion and Billions of dollars.

There are thousands and thousands of people taking this product that swear by it. This originated as an ancient cure from the chinese. My DH whose Hep C was in the High Millions and liver function tests through the roof (normal is 49 he was at 96)started taking it when his MD recomended it and he know has normal liver funtion tests and went from 2,800,000. to 120,000 on his Viral load. All I can say is that it has worked for us and many others.



I would say never take anything without checking it out first ...just how you have...very important. I would have never started taking it or DH or the kids if I had not done extensive research on the matter and talked with alot of M.D. You would be surpriced how many Doctors do use it.

As fas as herpes(cold sores) it has worked for my son who has that.The conventional medicine from the Dr. took 5 days to go away. When putting Colloital Silver on it it was gone the next day! I have not taken an Antibiotic in 8 years when before the silver I had infections all the time...

Well I could go on and on and so could you :rotfl2: so what else can we debate this is fun!!! I love a good debate... :thumbsup2
 

Dee and I are debating on what is called Colloital Silver. A product that has been around for centuries that claims to be a cure for many things...it is known to be a natural antibiotic and also kills many viruses.

It is a very contravershal(sp?) subject. Some swear by it and others say it is worthless and dangerous.

Dee is con and I am pro. I have used it for 8 years and love it and have had great results from it.

So we are talking about her facts vs. my facts. So at this point we can only end in a stale mate because she can back up her feelings towards it through the web and I can back up my feelings through the web...

So I will pronounce a "Stale Mate" :banana: no one can win this one. :)
 
dee47 said:
T99-39 Print Media: 301-827-6242
August 17, 1999
Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

FDA ISSUES FINAL RULE ON
OTC DRUG PRODUCTS CONTAINING COLLOIDAL SILVER
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Of course, this FDA rule only applies to OTC products that claim therapeutic value or advertise health benefits. So this is why you can still buy the product in health food stores, so long as it is not labeled as having any benefits or includes one of those "statements have not been evaluated and product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease" disclaimers.

I've never used the stuff myself but there is a guy at work who swears by it. Personally, I just usually deal with the stomach bug or cold and avoid OTC medicines if I can. Half the times I think the effects are only psychosomatic.

* Note I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently.
 
Got Disney said:
Excuse me but I must say "Breasts" because b o o b s has been blocked out by "Parent Controll....lol :rotfl2:

And as I seem to be the only man in a sea of estrogen, I am left to wonder how many synonyms for 'breasts' would make it past the censors.

Being a guy, I'll tell you we have words for breasts that starts with every letter of the alphabet.
 
* Note I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express recently.[/QUOTE]

:rotfl2: :rotfl2: my Dh uses that line all the time....have not heared anyone else use that except him and TV.
Some testosterone is always welcome in a sea of estrogen :thumbsup2

And as for coming up with many synonyms for "Breasts" my DH could help you name them.... :thumbsup2
 
Yeah, we do seem to get testosterone deficient in here sometimes, don't we? :rotfl: Oh well.
 
Hi guys!

Lively one today! :cool1: I have to stay out of any supplement debate--I know nothing. I think twice before I take an Advil. I do like the idea of loading up on "good stomach bugs" before going, but was thinking of the yogurt. Then I'll bring the stuff that you take at the first sign of a cold and hope that's as bad as it gets!

And how did we get back on breasts??? :confused3 :rotfl2:
 
Robin posted about them earlier and yargrnhoj saw the post and commented on it....
 
fabulusk said:
Ok Guys - In the Yahoo site under database you will find a table that includes the DIS members contact information that is in Charge of T-Shirts, Door Sign, Late Seating Linking, Bracelets, T-Shirt Graphics, Stockings, Ornament Exchange, and the Sail Away Dis Meet. If any of the contact persons would like a different email address than the one that I have posted on the site, please let me know and I will change it or you can go in and change it.

Hope this helps.

OK, I thought I'd move up Angela's summary for anyone that missed it over the weekend. (You can't believe how many pages I had to back up to find it!) :rolleyes1
 
KSDTink said:
Robin posted about them earlier and yargrnhoj saw the post and commented on it....

Of course he did.... :teeth: No, actually, I saw the comments, they were funny. It's good to have a guy jump in from time!
 
Thank you Sherrena! I am sure some did miss it. I have gotten some emails, though, so I suspect some people did see it.

And yes, it is good to see guys on here with us women. I'd hate to think we scared them all away!!!!
 
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