12/09/06 Cruise Continued ~ Pirating Bananas DIS Geekorama Part 2 Part 8

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klineyqueen said:
Sorry. For some reason I thought she was in K...no first.

That's OK. :) Most people think that because there are almost two years inbetween the kids. She is right before the cut off and DS is right after the cut off here. I expect more from a kid in first grade than Kindergarten as far as behavior is concerned.
 
MMcCarthy said:
I know I may get thrashed for this but here it goes. I work with people with developmental disabilities. Our vision is to see everyone living, working, learning, and playing in the community they choose. I know that it is frustrating having a child in the class that acts up. I also know that the school is by law to supply aides to this child so that he can stay in the classroom for as much as the time as he is able. The child sounds like he has some very real problems. Unfortunately at that age the doctors, parents, and teachers don't always know what is the best learning environment for him. hopefully they will figure it out real soon. In our school district the children who have developmental disabilities are placed in the most inclusive environment possible. It is not always possible for a child to learn in a regular classroom. Also unfortunately, most kids the age of your dd have not had all the testing done to help determine where that child should be placed. I know you have met with people at the school. is there a special education specialist there? If not, find out who in your district is in charge of special education. this situation should not be tolerated by you as a parent, your child as a student, the teacher, or the child with the disability. Our meetings to determine placement for children going into the regular classroom for the first time do not occur until october unless the child was in early intervention. hang in there Lisa. tell your daughter to stay away from the child and encourage her to speak to the teacher, principal, and any other adult at school if she feels the least bit frightened by this child. Good luck

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Very well said Missy.
 
Well, after FINALLY catching up....I am going to go to sleep. Good night all!
 
Going to bed myself....see you guys tomorrow.....


(yes, it was a cool 8.7)
 

Jhalkias said:
This is an example of what I was talking about earlier . . .

There is so much that can be going on that the average parent is unaware of - and it is getting to the point that a five year old knows their "rights". Teachers and administrators can be trapped in the middle - with parents of the other kids demanding action that maybe they legally can't take, and legally cannot discuss.

That doesn't mean that anyone should tolerate things happening in school that are contrary to school policy - quite the contrary. But some people tend to jump so quickly. My neighbor had a bussing issue - I am the school board president - did he call me? NO. He chose to write a letter to the editor instead. So I paid him a visit, talked to him, contacted our administration, and found a reasonable and fair solution. No need for a letter to the editor - and one that threatened to vote against our levy.

Our schools can only become better if we all contribute to solving problems and working together (not saying any of the comments on these issues meant you did not do that). All too often I see parents focus just on THEIR issue, and not see or get the big picture.

Public education seems to be under attack in America, and that is sad. At the same time, public education is somehow expected to raise the children as well as educate them - that is not their job.

I also get chagrined when I hear people say they will take their children elsewhere. We can all see the effects (especially in the urban centers) when good families leave the schools, and leave the kids who don't have the option behind.

Too often when they talk about "no child left behind" it is not the school that left them behind - but rather the community. We are blessed in our community - while not perfect, we have a great diversity of economics, racial, ethnicity, and religions. We have the wealthiest kids, the poorest kids, and all in-between. Believe it or not, the poor kids, and other kids that need help are raised up by the other kids from good families - they have good examples to look up to, and pattern.

I guess the bottom line of what I am trying to say is work together! Don't just get angry and react - work together as a partner to solve the problem. Be a part of the solution. If no one wants to solve the problem, then take the measures you feel you have to.

Our society needs less division and more cohesion if our children are going to grow up in a world where they can understand each other and solve problems.

Sorry for the book. I am rather passionate about public education - I feel it is one of the shining aspects of our society - allowing the poorest and humblest child the same opportunity as others. We can't lose that!

Hope you understand that I agree with you guys that bad situations deserve immediate attention - in fact we have a zero tolerance policy on weapons and threats in our schools - a child would be immediately suspended for bringing a knife to school - an unloaded gun - would be immediate expulsion.

Like Dody said, you have to wonder what it is like at home for these kids, and what they must be exposed to every day.

John1
Thanks John.
 
MrsMork said:
More pricing going to be happening! :rotfl2:
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lbgraves said:
Enjoy it when it happens. :rolleyes1 DS started out being very accurate but lately he has been extremely careless. I have to wipe down the toilet, floor, walls almost every time. :furious:
You and me both! It is so gross!
 
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MrsMork said:
John1, while I agree with what you are saying...when it comes to my kids' safety or some other kids need/right to be in a public classroom, sorry the other kid is not my concern. A chair IS a weapon and head injuries are very difficult if not impossible to cure. I see these at work every single day. If the laws require a child to stay in this kind of environment and be at risk of injury at the hands of another, then yes my kid comes out of that school and is home schooled.

Hi Angie,

I understand that what Lisa was talking about was a serious situation with the threat of injury - I did not in any way mean to suggest it was not or downplay it. All of us hold the safety of our children paramount, and I would not allow my own child into an environment that I know is unsafe.

I was commenting more on where the discussion went from there - and the various variables and situations that parents and teachers and administrators and school board members must work together as a team to try and solve.

There are many more minor and solveable issues that people will not take the time to solve, because that is harder than just complaining.

Sorry if I raised any ire for anyone. My intent was to show that the vast majority of public school teachers, administrators, board members, etc., are good people, doing what I like to call "God's work" - helping educate the future. Too often they are all painted with the same broad and unfair brush of failure and contempt - and I was hearing a lot of that.

John1
 
klineyqueen said:
Interesting...very interesting. I guess we will see on Tuesday. They will probably hype it up and it will end up being something very undynamic...like a twisted knee or hurt foot...KWIM?

Yep, probably an injury or a family issue. But I'm also wondering if it's even true. I saw it posted in a community but I can't find any info on ABC or Sara's official website. :confused3
 
Jhalkias said:
I don't even like Tuna Dody. No seafood for me, and I also have never been to dead lobster.

Funny too, because we vacation at the ocean every summer, and I am the weird guy at the seafood restaurant ordering chicken.

John1
:sad2: you and my parents both!
 
lbgraves said:
John, I think that it is obvious even without observing this child in action that he needs someone to help him whether it is a therapist or doctor. Along with the fact that the other children are not being helped with him remaining in the classroom he is currently in, he needs additional help that is not available in that setting. Getting him evaluated or tested would let them decide how he can be helped. He deserves the chance to get an education however, he may require a different learning environment with less chance for distraction and one on one interaction. My neice has ADHD and is bipolar. She spent 1-3 grade in a special class with an IEP. In 2nd grade she was expelled for attacking the teacher and after being sent home with tutors assigned to her, was sent to a special school for kids with those problems. She tried to go back to the school but it didn't work and was homeschooled for a year...which also didn't work. She went back to school this year but I do not know how she is doing.

I wasn't thinking about taking her out of the school due to this. If nothing was being done to determine what to do I would have requested that she be transferred to one of the other two first grade classrooms. Now with DS's case, DH & I are considering other schools. DH said that if he isn't learning anything at this school we need to find him a school that will teach him something. After the conference, I feel that he will be challenged more but we will have to evaluate the situation in another month.

BTW, he read a book last night that is a 6.9 and took an AR test on it today. He got 100%!!!! :woohoo: Before my talk with his teacher that I relayed to him, he wouldn't even look at a book at that level. His confidence skyrocketed!!! :thumbsup2

William is a bright young man! I hope that they can find the things that he needs to be successful and challenged!

John1
 
MrsMork said:
Caught up! I'm still grumpy from work yesterday, (and the saga continuing today) but the good news is the incident is now in the Chief of Staff office and I hope they are going to do the right thing. And I only cried about it 5 times today!! :thumbsup2 There is supposed to be a meeting with many mucky mucks and I told them today that I would come in tomorrow (my day off) because I feel so passionate that our institution did absolutely the wrong thing to one of our veterans and we need to make it right. I told them I need one hour notice to get there. I want to be heard by Senior Managers on this one. Hope I can share my feeling without the tears at this meeting. However, our Director of Coordinated Care told me she completely understands and it's ok to cry when I am talking with them.
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Jhalkias said:
I don't even like Tuna Dody. No seafood for me, and I also have never been to dead lobster.

Funny too, because we vacation at the ocean every summer, and I am the weird guy at the seafood restaurant ordering chicken.

John1

I'll be ordering chicken on lobster night. :thumbsup2
 
lbgraves said:
ROFL! I can totally see DS having to go thru this. OY! They have to write out 3 pencils + 4 pencils + 7 pencils. He just wants to do 3+4 or simply 7. :)

Isn't that the truth!
 
tynkerbell said:
I'll be ordering chicken on lobster night. :thumbsup2

Make that two chicken dinners on lobster night!

Out of respect for those who love lobster, I'm not even going to say what I think about it . . .

Caught up finally - always around midnight.

Thanks for the discussion guys.

Maybe we can go back to food, candy, and bananas tomorrow! :banana:

I am going to go and freeze my butt off at a HS football game tomorrow night (no press box - away game).

I'll try to catch up in chat later tomorrow night.

Are we posting almost 1,000 a day?

Becka - current stats please?

John1
 
I HAD to check . . .

Looks like about a 1,000 in about 40 hours.

'Night.

John1
 
John - I know you don't always get notified...so I will tell you. I sent you a PM.
 
MrsMork said:
Caught up! I'm still grumpy from work yesterday, (and the saga continuing today) but the good news is the incident is now in the Chief of Staff office and I hope they are going to do the right thing. And I only cried about it 5 times today!! :thumbsup2 There is supposed to be a meeting with many mucky mucks and I told them today that I would come in tomorrow (my day off) because I feel so passionate that our institution did absolutely the wrong thing to one of our veterans and we need to make it right. I told them I need one hour notice to get there. I want to be heard by Senior Managers on this one. Hope I can share my feeling without the tears at this meeting. However, our Director of Coordinated Care told me she completely understands and it's ok to cry when I am talking with them.

Our veterans are blessed to have someone like you on their side. :grouphug:
 
Now that I know how to post smilies...maybe I should go on a posting spree...

Nah...I think I will save my energy for tomorrow!
 
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