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Orlando Sentinel story about "inappropriate fondling" on the Dream

Discussion in 'Disney Cruise Line Forum' started by dskib, May 20, 2013.

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  1. SapphireMind

    SapphireMind Member

    protip: coming to furiously defend yourself on a message board never ends wel..
     
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  3. Tony Pipitone

    Tony Pipitone Earning My Ears

    I have read the confession.

    It is a stretch. He did not claim it was an accident.

    If he had, I would have stated that, as good reporters do.

    Don't assume all reporters are intellectually dishonest hacks, just as one should not assume all dining room servers are prone to molesting children.
     
  4. rhorsley

    rhorsley Member

    This is where the questions are? I thought you wanted answers? Aren't you getting what you wanted? :confused3

    At least he's providing more communication and access than Disney so far..
     
  5. Tony Pipitone

    Tony Pipitone Earning My Ears

    Just wanted to do a small part to set some of the record straight. This user --who seems, from his posts, to be level-headed -- advises:

    While I am nowhere-near-furious, I shall take leave ... for now, at least.

    Thanks.
     
  6. SapphireMind

    SapphireMind Member

    I don't care about answers from someone who may or not be the real reporter.

    I am more referring to long-standing internet history where this sort of behavior invariably leads to a flamefest, name-calling and otherwise general stupidity.
     
  7. ranidayz

    ranidayz DIS Veteran is a....... Caribbean Amphibian

    I have a degree in PR as well. Our first official assignment was to justify the Exxon Valdez. Our second assignment was to 'spin' the tainted Baby Tylenol. PR is there to advocate for the company at which they're employed. I actually never would up using the PR part of my degree because I couldn't justify or 'spin' it to myself.
     
  8. rhorsley

    rhorsley Member

    By assignment do you mean in school? Or in an actual practice? Because the Valdez occurred in 89 and Tylenol in 82. In neither case did the PR teams attempt to cover up the problems. In fact the Tylenol case is an excellent example of how PR can repair damage done by a corporation.

    http://www.aerobiologicalengineering.com/wxk116/TylenolMurders/crisis.html
     
  9. BuzzLightyearInTampa

    BuzzLightyearInTampa Mouseketeer


    That is easily verifiable and Mr. Piptone is correct. He has been at the same station since 1987 and has won many awards.

    http://www.clickorlando.com/Investigative-Reporter/-/1637238/1935024/-/vbgh85z/-/index.html
     
  10. ranidayz

    ranidayz DIS Veteran is a....... Caribbean Amphibian

    You got it. In school, in a class by one of the expert PR professors, this is how we were 'trained' in PR. I'm not disputing that there are wonderfully ethical and reputable PR professionals. I know there are. However, their first obligation is to their employers.
     
  11. rhorsley

    rhorsley Member

    That's a darn shame. My professors always taught about the balance between employer & public...
    :hippie:
     
  12. Wadekind

    Wadekind Mouseketeer

    Why does it only apply if its your own child? If you were the CM would you report an accusation like this to police or hand off the responsibility to someone else? To me the choice is clear you report it first then involve your employer. You keep acting like DCL is some kind of police department and they are not.

    There was more than one DCL employee that knew about it and no one thought it pertinent to involve the local authority who had jurisdiction? That is a fact and that was wrong no matter how you may try to justify it.
     
  13. justmestace

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    Good point! :thumbsup2
     
  14. Wadekind

    Wadekind Mouseketeer

    I don't know why you feel this excuses DCL from not informing the local authorities. The fact is it don't happen at sea. There was a local police force who did have jurisdiction and was not given the opportunity to do its job. The difference is at sea you have no choice but to rely on any authority you can get. In port you have access to professionals who specialize in crime and have way more experience dealing with these things daily rather than on board security who may only see a few of these cases their whole career.
     
  15. honeymo78

    honeymo78 Don't dream it, be it

    Does guest services have access to an outside line? Could the guest services CM called 911 or the police if they had wanted to? Is it possible that security and other higher departments are the only ones with that ability?
     
  16. Wadekind

    Wadekind Mouseketeer

    OK, so why didn't one of them call? No one called and that is the fault here. If it is because of DCL policy then that needs to change if it is because of lack of training or access to an outside line then that needs to change.
     
  17. cgolf

    cgolf Mouseketeer

    I have missed the last couple of pages, but have a question that I haven't seen anyone ask. This is a question not a defense of DCL. For all we know they could have already fired those that dropped the ball at the port.

    The question is, since DCL employs very few US citizens, is it possible that the cm's that were investigating this did not know the US laws?

    Cgolf
     
  18. KashasMom

    KashasMom Mouseketeer

    US laws about what?? If CMs do not know that it is illegal to molest a child, they sure as hell do not belong working for Disney!!

    Which brings me to another point....considering that CMs come from all nations, how much can we rely on any background check? There are certainly countries where there is just about no such thing as a background/criminal check (India, being one). Would make me wonder just who is watching my child?
     
  19. WDW in Pearls

    WDW in Pearls Monograms and Minnie Ears

    If I was to take a guess I'd say the family went to guest services because they didn't know where else to go. Many travelers don't know or understand the laws when on the ocean.
     
  20. GoofyTwinDad

    GoofyTwinDad Member

    I was thinking along the same lines. I would only add that this type of molestation may not be as severe as here in the US.
     
  21. cgolf

    cgolf Mouseketeer

    About The process of reporting this to the police right away. I am not sure if that is the case in other countries. In the US as soon as someone makes the accusation the call needs to be made, not sure if the same is true elsewhere. I was unaware that in the US this can be prosecuted even if the victim doesn't want to press charges. The cm's may have not been aware of this.

    Again just a ? Not a defense. I truly hope DCL changes their policies after this and a few people have lost jobs over this.

    Cgolf
     
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