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This may have been said someplace in the previous 90 pages, but is it possible that this is their plan:
FP+ that you can book 60 days in advance, with tiered Fastpasses.
AND
More FPs released for "day of" guests?
So someone like me can make my one TSMM fastpass reservation 60 days in advance and someone like many of you can continue to accumulate several FPs on the day of, per availability. Maybe they'll release 30-40% for pre-booking and the rest for day of. And you maybe would have to be in the park to get a FP? Or not.
There's got to be day-of FPs available for all the locals, newbies, etc... But it seems silly to restrict those to just 1 Top-tier FP all day.
Has anything "official" been said one way or another about this possibility?
Ok I'm finally all caught up. I read through it all. The one thing that keeps sticking with me through of this, is the idea that Disney would be putting all this money on a system that is basically banking on the ignorance of most of the people who go to Disney, this idea that people who don't know any better will be satisfied with a couple fast passes for things that they really aren't necessary for. While I agree that there will always be people who are either unaware or uninterested in the few extra steps they can take to get more out of things, I feel like it's such an unreliable variable to be basing such a HUGE amount of money on.
It also really seems like this idea would just be creating a more consistently moderate experience for everyone, opposed to really top notch experience. While no one is going to have a perfect experience everytime, wasn't Walt's whole MO to really take things to the next level?
I really hope Rileygirl is right. I hope this is all just a front for something they have up their sleeves to really blow us away.
So if I am forced to make a schedule and get online at 6 AM 60 days out and there are no TSMM FPs for when I want (like the BOG ADR I wanted due to the 180 +10 system) - but others who didn't pre-book might be offered those FPs same day??? Uh, No.
Also am not feeling the love that I may now need to use my FP+ allotment in order to sit where I have been sitting for 40 years to watch the parades. I know, I'm getting old, I'm invested and have a looong experience to compare the new system to Obviously I'm not the target audience, but I am a loyal 'guest' and I have sent many many guests their way over the years. We'll see.
And speaking of Disney's Marketing Machine, take a look at what they did for John Carter, and then ask if you want them in charge of MyMagic+...
What is John Carter?
Rileygirl you better be careful or everyone's going to start thinking that you are really working for the darkside, and this entire thread has been your sly way to kick around all the ways US can beat the big D
Oh yeah, DH just explained that the iphone can't use extra batteries, has to be charged - why he bought me the charger. duh. You can see how tech-savvy I am! LOL Seems like a pain to me.
I know we don't know all the ins and outs and I'm also hoping beyond hope that Disney has something more than what they are alluding to, but I have already altered my upcoming plans to wait and see how this all works out. DH wanted to buy more DVC points for Xmas this year, but I don't want to make any more investment in WDW vacas until I see if this works for how I like to vaca and tour the parks -
I also cut back the WDW portion of DGrDs b'day trip at the end of the summer thinking at the time they might be rolling this out this summer - so now we are moving over to USF/IOA and also doing SeaWorld. Then we are doing a very short trip with only 1 park day in early Nov for the 1/2 marathon/ 5K - not planning any further trips for now - so many other great places to go while the dust settles.
Hopefully they decide to use the RFID technology to offer us all same day FP+ where you can schedule your FP times as soon as the park opens or a few hours before - with no ride restrictions - THEN I will be buying more DVC points!!
And one more thought - I DO NOT like the idea that they would hold back FPs for same day that they could randomly offer to others. So if I am forced to make a schedule and get online at 6 AM 60 days out and there are no TSMM FPs for when I want (like the BOG ADR I wanted due to the 180 +10 system) - but others who didn't pre-book might be offered those FPs same day??? Uh, No. Also am not feeling the love that I may now need to use my FP+ allotment in order to sit where I have been sitting for 40 years to watch the parades. I know, I'm getting old, I'm invested and have a looong experience to compare the new system to Obviously I'm not the target audience, but I am a loyal 'guest' and I have sent many many guests their way over the years. We'll see.
"Whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there, with open arms and open eyes" - Incubus
Wouldn't it be horrible if people actually went LOOKING for outlets, plopping themselves down in odd places in order to get a quick charge... while waiting for their FP return time . I can just see the threads now: "Post Your Latest Outlet Location Discoveries~Updated Dec2014"
Universal cannot beat the big D. It doesn't have the space and it doesn't draw in the older crowd (50+) that has no kids. It's main demographic is 10-25 female and 10-35 male. It won't be able to wrest the toddler group out of Disney's hands, either.
Can they carve out a healthy, lucrative niche? Certainly! But Disney World is four main, unique parks, two big water parks, as soon-to-be Disney Springs, 20 resorts, at least 3 golf courses and 100+ restaurants.
No matter how "awesome" (I personally have zero desire to see anything Potter, as I am 35 years old, not 15 ) they just aren't going to have the space to be a more than 3 day destination. And if someone is REALLY going to tell me that going to Universal for 3 days, Sea World for one and Busch Gardens for one is as nice of a vacation as staying onsite at DisneyWorld and doing 5 park days there, I'd say you were out of your mind!
No one has kids and thinks, "I can't wait until I can take little Johnny to Universal Studios for the first time..." It's a place where teenagers and men under 40 like to go because of the thrills.
WDW attracts 47 million visitors a year. Yes, this means one person who visits 4 parks in four days counts as "4" of those 47 million, not one. But one can assume that most people are not spending two days at WDW and visiting 4 parks. So it probably evens out to 47 million park days. Of course, this doesn't count the number of people who stay onsite and choose to have a park-free day or two, spending their money at DTD, Blizzard Beach, golfing, eating or just hanging out at the resort pool.
Finally, for those of you wringing your hands about WDW losing visitors to Universal and begging for new rides/parks, please keep in mind that Disney operates SIX, separate theme parks world wide and attracts 120 million visitors! Universal has four and attracts 30 million. So when we WDW visitors might see Universal Orlando and IoA as immediate competition to our beloved WDW, they really aren't. And I don't think Disney is spending too much time worrying about WDW's landlocked theme park neighbor...
Did I forget to mention the cruise ships?
Frankly, half of these boards discuss planning and optimal touring plans, etc.. BECAUSE everything in WDW is in high demand. Lines are long (or otherwise we wouldn't have 99 pages of posts fretting about a change to the FP system), resorts are often at capacity during peak times (and for DVC members, peak times occur differently than non-DVC resorts, ie: Food and Wine) We fight over ADRs and wake up in the middle of the night to capture that elusive BoG slot for dinner! (or Le Cellier, etc...)
I don't see the same sense of urgency on the USF/IoA boards..
One thing I really don't understand.
People can be the most rabid lifelong Disney fans. Loving the heck out of Disney Parks and all things Disney.
They can trust Disney with thousands and thousands of their dollars in the case of DVC.
They can shout DISNEY from the rooftops to ALL their friends and relatives.
And then, on just rumors and conjecture on a new FP system, they would trust anonymous posters on social media and completely all of a sudden deem Disney as 'untrustworthy' to receive their future vacation dollars.
<scratching my head>
What makes it even more odd is someone with THIS in their sig:
No one has kids and thinks, "I can't wait until I can take little Johnny to Universal Studios for the first time..." It's a place where teenagers and men under 40 like to go because of the thrills.
I don't see the same sense of urgency on the USF/IoA boards..
I really do think they have not specified same day fastpasses because it is a dynamic portion of this. Not only will it vary with how big the crowds are, but with how many folks prebook.
MichiganDVC said:(I personally have zero desire to see anything Potter, as I am 35 years old, not 15 )
No one has kids and thinks, "I can't wait until I can take little Johnny to Universal Studios for the first time..." .
Hmmmm Maybe posting on a board may be a bit deceiving, and I do love MANY (not ALL) things Disney for many reasons in my own particular life circumstances - but 'rabid' fan of anything does not describe me in any aspect of my personal life - LOL but I can see where you may get that impression from many of us DISers But I assure you I don't SHOUT from the rooftops about anything to anybody - not my nature. When friends and family see how much fun we have on our vacations, they often seek my advice about resorts, touring, etc. I do not seek out others to convert to anything as you seem to be assuming.
I do not deem Disney any more "untrustworthy" of my future vacation dollars than anywhere else I travel - I do a lot of research about my travels and what experiences I want to enjoy - from camping and hiking, visiting friends around the country, to great luxury resorts. I am just saying that with such a major (and disney itself is hyping this as major) change coming I am waiting to see how I fit into the plan before I do invest any more into future vacations there. I can easily step down to every two or three years - or more - at WDW if I no longer enjoy the way Disney is running things.
And in my mind this discussion is not just rumors and conjecture by anonymous posters - this is looking like a major change that may or may not work for my touring/vacation style. I am enjoying this discussion and appreciate all the many points and possibilities other DISers are bringing to it - including several CMs. Disney does listen and I want them to know what will or will not work for me - in the end I am very well aware that they are running a business and I certainly want them to succeed - I have many young people in my life who have pledged to wheel me around Disney for many years to come should it ever come to that- lol - and if I still want to be there and am enjoying myself.
Not sure what is confusing to you about my quote - I do embrace life with open arms and accept many difficulties for what they are and make the best of them all - that certainly does not mean that I always embrace and approve of decisions and circumstances other people and businesses make and go along with things that do not work for me or my family - I guess your confusion confuses me - but let's not make this personal - one thing for sure is we know little of each other except that we enjoy discussing Disney and helping others make the most of their vacations there.
They can, and have done things in the past that I didn't agree with, but nothing that was quite this risky, and quite this huge. Hence the debate.
This is not a simple new attraction, it's changing the way people use the parks full stop.
I know that when people were saying, a couple (or perhaps 20) pages ago, that I could be working for Disney, I thought, really? Stuff I am posting, if correct (and there is no saying whether I am or not), would more likely make me to be a mole for Universal. And if peoples thoughts are turned that way, I can understand that suspicion. How can you possibley actually know who I am, or what I do. I could be some guy living in his moms basement in portland oregon for goodness sake.