FP+ is Live! Magic Bands in the park!

Discussion in 'Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies' started by PrettyFlower2, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. HelenParr

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    I imagine that these sorts of variables are part of the reason that Disney is having trouble rolling it out. Yes, the tech is slow to come online, and glitchy, but the sheer volume of variables to consider may have been underestimated. Who among us has not had an interaction with a less than well-informed CM..and not just bus drivers? I can see the FP+ work team being asked to do XYZ, only to learn later that they were not informed of the zillion variations that might affect operations.
     
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  3. Squidgyness

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    I doubt you will be able to book fastpasses for more days than your ticket allows you. It would affect the distribution and crowd control surely. Fastpasses won't have any penalty for not showing up as far as we know. If they did the same system as ADR's, they'd have to introduce a penalty for a no show imo. Isn't that what they did with dining ressies?

    And isn't the sixty day window any point after you are allowed to check in (or put in your ticket as in the case of off site)? It just says up to sixty days out in the T+C I believe.
     
  4. mom2rtk

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    That is correct. As a resort guest, you can book dining reservations for 10 days starting 180 days out from your check-in date. You can book more than the length of your stay, but not more than 10 days (even if you are staying longer).

    I always figured that's just all their IT systems could handle.
     
  5. bwang123

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    I am not sure how much I would trust these DIS "trusted sources". In December, this was posted:

    "While still a rumor, The DIS has confirmed from multiple sources that Disney will officially announce this week that they are bringing Cars Land to Disney's Hollywood Studios." -http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/Theme_Parks_Attractions/Cars_Land_is_coming_to_DHS.htm
     
  6. magicbob

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    I think it can and probably WILL be exactly that. Remember, at least PART of the reason they are developing a tiered system and adding FP+ to rides that don't need it is to steer people to those rides. As others have pointed out, many casual guests are likely to be quite satisfied that they were able to pre-book their FP+ for Buzz Lightyear, Haunted Mansion, etc. Since they have no frame of reference to compare to (i.e., they don't know that you rarely ever NEED a FP for these rides), they will only now that they were able to "bypass the lines" for these attractions.

    And there's potentially the additional "social engineering" aspect of sending texts to alert guests that, say, Stitch FP+s are available if they act right now! I'm sure at least a few people will end up trading their Peter Pan FP for Stitch because they don't know the historical wait times for these rides.
     
  7. Rileygirl

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    I am sorry

    I typed in a hurry, there were some misleading comments in my posts

    1. The onsite guest perk could be 60 plus 10

    2. I dont mean to say they could book 10 days worth of fast passes on a 5 day ticket. Thats silly. I mean to say, they could book 5 days worth of fast passes in that 10 day span.
     
  8. mom2mickeyfan

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    And so if FP+s are tied to valid tickets, someone like me, with a 10 NE ticket, in theory could make FP+s for days that I am 75% sure I would not need.....JUST IN CASE!! Isn't that what has happened with ADRs?? And most us have to admit that we have done this with ADRs. I have an ADR right now that I'm about 90% sure aren't going to use but I haven't cancelled yet because we MIGHT use it! I will cancel it but not until closer to our travel dates.

    You know, it is one thing to be annoyed that someone got to the park before me, beat me to the FP machine and got a FP that I wanted. But that is no ones fault but mine. It is totally different thing to be annoyed about people that aren't EVEN in park or are about 75% sure they won't be in that park taking FP+s from guest that are in the park! To me, that is Disney's fault for setting up the system that way. And this is from someone that would have that ability if it is tied to tickets. I know there is talk about those FP+s that aren't showed up for being put back into the system but how can they do this until the time has run out or close to runnning out? Doesn't the idea of FP work with only a certain number allowed so as to not get a back up (the reason they stopped allowing guest to use them any time after the start time....even thought our family only did this a couple of times)? So how will adding effect this? I really don't think this would be a big problem but who would have thought ADRs would have caused the problems that is has.

    If only they could come up with a system that only those that are actually in the park could take up places in the FP lines. :confused3
     
  9. doconeill

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    That was interesting, and I forgot about that...but what kicked this off was the MagicBands, and I wonder if he merged the two...although they have said MagicBands would be available at a charge to non-resort/passholder people, they will be rolling out to resort guests first. And Disney as also said that passholders would also be able to use the system, and didn't seem to imply that they'd have to be resort guests as well. so I wonder if there is some confusion.

    We were pretty confident about that too - back in January :)
     
  10. Starr W.

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    No the funniest part about this was I was at the local travel agent, booking a cruise for my sister and I and the they are an "earmakred" agent(Disney specialist). Started talking about Disney and the neighbor with the ADR/Value issue and she said she had clients who would tell her the same thing. Even after she offered to make the ADR's for them. They thought she would get in trouble with Disney.
     
  11. Rileygirl

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    Edited to delete post.
     
  12. g-dad66

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    Agree.

    And if this new system works as intended (spreading out guests to more attractions), it could be that attractions which now rarely have long waits could indeed become attractions where one might "need" (or at least "benefit from") having a Fast Pass.

    We know that the Free Dining and other promotions have succeeded in recent years to enticing guests to come during "slow times" so that slow times now are not nearly so slow as they were five or more years ago.

    I expect we'll see the same phenomenon occur with FP+ (IF the technology ever works right).

    Agree.

    On our last trip, our group included a granddaughter's friend who had never been to WDW but was very keen on checking the MDE app for available attractions. On our MK day, two different times she said "Look, Stitch's Great Escape has only a 5 minute wait right now. Let's go there." (I told her the attraction was too far away from where we were in Frontierland, and I assured her that the wait would still be very short much later in the day.)
     
  13. mom2mickeyfan

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    I don't believe that anything we have talked about are "problems" that Disney is trying to fix. I think Disney wants to everyone to see this is something they are doing to "help" guest but I think it has more to do with their bottom line. And that it actually has nothing to do with the things we have been discussing. I just believe the things we are discussing may OR may not be the results of Disney's current plans. But I'm sure it really has nothing to do with making things better for guest. Disney just wants everyone to believe that.
     
  14. mom2rtk

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    This is one of my greatest concerns with the addition of FP+. It has the potential to change things in ways we haven't even considered.
     
  15. Squidgyness

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    Oh okay. I misunderstood that second point.

    Now for the first, in a quote so you can skip the long rambling bit if you want (summary at the bottom.)

    For a summary: While I agree that some small perks for on-site might be included in the final system (personalisation of ride endings was mentioned at the start of MyMagic+ for example) I don't think they are going to give too many benefits to on-site guests, such as more FP+ available per guest for example as other commentators on other websites seem to think (some are still under the impression only resort guests will be able to access it at all!) I don't think this is because they want to help off-site guests but that it makes more financial sense to get everyone to spend less time in lines and more spending in park.

    More FP+ for on-site... I just can't see it, nothing seems to indicate it. Once you get in park, you will spend money regardless of where you are staying. Disney wants to maximise profits with this, I can't see them prioritising on-site. To put it bluntly, Disney will want as much money from as many people as they can get. Of course they will maintain it is because they don't want to segregate and create class structures, and who knows maybe thats a reason too. I just think they know on-site people will spend more in-park under MyMagic+ regardless of benefits, and if they can get both on- and off-site people spending under an equal system, cha-ching! :p

    Also, as a disclaimer I don't mean any of these posts in an aggressive or snarky manner.
     
  16. doggydoc

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    He stated that no one will force you to wear a Magic Band, because they have a KTTW RFID option. He VERY unequivocally stated that regular FP is going away at some point and FP+ will be the only option.

    And the reason to voice our displeasure at possible negative changes is that many times in the past, especially recently, large companies have changed course due to public hue and cry. It is pretty obvious that there are times that corporate decisions are made in a vacuum created by the disconnect between what is perceived in the boardroom and what is fact on Main Street. If we don't voice our opinions we guarantee that decisions continue to be made based on corporate perceptions.
     
  17. doconeill

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    And maybe, just maybe, feedback is getting back to those who have control, and might be going, "Hmmm...did we take that into consideration?" etc.

    There was a large cry out when this stuff was announced in January. Since then, we've heard very little new, but the rumblings about things continue that might just indicate that there may have already been changes. Problem is, we don't know that for sure. So we still only have the original information to go on, plus some anecdotal info, and information of various reliability which often conflict.
     
  18. Squidgyness

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    With the amount of money invested in this, given the lack of info or even widespread testing, I don't think it's crazy to say there have been problems thrown up, otherwise they'd have at least been doing some limited testing soon I'd have thought.

    At the very least, surely they'd have wanted to get this thing tested before summer, otherwise it's going to be under a lot of stress from the start, not a big adjustment period or room to manouver.

    Unless like you say they are adjusting things right now, which would make more sense.
     
  19. Rileygirl

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  20. doconeill

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    So far I think Rileygirl is hitting it on all cylinders...this is about getting more out of every guest, not just the resort guests.

    In fact, I think the potential increase in margin might be higher with the off-site guests...
     
  21. Squidgyness

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    I agree. Think about it, once they've gotten that extra $$$ out of you for staying onsite, you don't really give Disney any more money than offsite in park, or at least I'd have thought not. In-park spending figures will probably show that onsite and offsite guests spend much the same, or at least not wildly different, amounts in park. Another thought, could off-site guests represent a better margin for disney when it comes to things like dining? (The DDP reducing profit?)

    Ergo, it is probably going to be for every guest, don't expect much special treatment for staying onsite.

    I too think that post is marvellous to behold! :) It's much better worded than mine was. :thumbsup2
     

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