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baileybrad
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I have been bouncing around reading various sections of this thread.
The original poster mused that he, and his smoking spouse in particular, felt shafted by their inability to land a SMOKING (I corrected a typo that orginally had N/S instead of smoking)
room when checking-in at OKW and VWL on 2 recent vacations. This led him to wonder if the DVC was shrinking the amount of N/S rooms available at the DVC resorts with the possibility that would eventually lead to virtually none being offerred. He referred to the opportunity to smoke on vacation as a luxury, mentioned that smokers were getting shafted by the DVC and finally wondered if there aren't more DVC members out there who smoke than we think.
Obviously, I could have just copied his entire post but I chose to just summarize the original posting and am going to throw out some random thoughts on the "lack" of "smoking optional rooms" available to those who choose to smoke on their DVC vacations vs. the "lack" of N/S rooms for those that can't stand the thought of spending one minute in a S/O room. Our family belongs to the non-smoking group.
Based on the response to this thread....there was no huge outcry for the lack of S/O rooms.
Smoking is a legal activity and should be allowed and not frowned upon in one's S/O accommodations.
Lots of folks appear to be getting a tad more slick at using a medical condition as an "excuse' to land a smoke-free room.
I agree with those that think that smoking preference should be
just like unit size and be a "guarantee" not a request. Two things with this approach might work, you could leave a pool of unreserved units of various sizes or only allow for say 75% of folks to be guaranteed their breathing preference due to the way check-outs are not exact ie., not a week to week timeshare. The "pool plan" would most likely work but would cause some to not have a vacation. That could also, in the near term, cost the Mouse money and us too which....well, we all know that is the largest cause of most problems that folks have when getting Disney proper to address any somewhat controversial issue. The 75% cut-off would make the 11 month window even more valuable but would not solve the OP's problem or non-smokers getting a S/O room. That could/would still occur.
I have never understood why smoking should be "allowed" on the balcony of a N/S unit. It is a smokers right to smoke their lungs out to their hearts' desires inside the confines of their S/O unit and on the balcony of the same. But, I would hazard a guess, that most non-smokers never in their wildest dreams would find it logical to have someone smoking on their adjoining balcony in a N/S building. I, too, believe that this Disney "waffle" should be stopped. It causes nothing but more resentment between the folks.
I wish that there were outside designated smoking areas at the DVC resorts just like in the parks. This would give those smokers that get stuck in a N/S unit a place to smoke without being hassled. This would obviously be an inconvenience but it is clear that the politicos have taken this issue by the horns and your side appears to be losing.
It is nearly impossible to undo a N/S room that has been smoked in for any length of time short of opening the windows for a couple of days and using a smoke zapper type device. Wiping down the walls, cabinets, etc., is also needed.
The maintenance issue is a good one. I never knew that only kids make messes. You obviously, have never met my spouse or my friends spouses. Wear and tear is a fact of life but the damage to a room caused by smoking is more subtle and not as obvious as a spilled drink or even a mark on the wall. I would just not do as much upkeep on the smoking optional rooms. How much worse can a smokey carpet smell or how much yellow stain on a wall is too much?
Has anyone ever experienced the smoke smell coming through the bathroom venting system of a non-smoking when the ole bladder feels up at 3 in morning and one is sitting there contemplating the meaning of life? Seems that some smokers can't fight the temptation to light up in a N/S room.
Most agree that smokers are definitely in the minority when it comes to DVC membership. But I believe that as a percentage of the 2 groups that there about as many inconsiderate smokers as there are radical non-smokers. The more that can be done to keep the 2 apart, the better. That is why that smoking on a N/S balcony idea is a bad one.
I, personally, have read more posts from folks on these boards who got "stuck" with a S/O room than the other way around. This happened to us in early June and we had to fight to get moved the next day to a N/S room. It is obvious that is happens both ways. I feel the DVC should be much more accommodating in getting these folks moved as soon as possible in their vacation with as little impostion on the guest as possible. Moving is a pain but, with the present system, sometimes unavoidable.
FInally, a smoker who can't get their preference can still smoke "legally" in many areas of Disney, etc. A N/S doesn't have the "luxury" of sleeping in another location, that is the purpose of their room. When it comes to being "shafted", it appears that the non-smoker has a much greater risk of being impacted adversely than the smoker does when staying at the DVC under the current smoking/non-smoking request "rules".(I corrected a typo that originally has N/S instead of Smoking)
The original poster mused that he, and his smoking spouse in particular, felt shafted by their inability to land a SMOKING (I corrected a typo that orginally had N/S instead of smoking)
room when checking-in at OKW and VWL on 2 recent vacations. This led him to wonder if the DVC was shrinking the amount of N/S rooms available at the DVC resorts with the possibility that would eventually lead to virtually none being offerred. He referred to the opportunity to smoke on vacation as a luxury, mentioned that smokers were getting shafted by the DVC and finally wondered if there aren't more DVC members out there who smoke than we think.
Obviously, I could have just copied his entire post but I chose to just summarize the original posting and am going to throw out some random thoughts on the "lack" of "smoking optional rooms" available to those who choose to smoke on their DVC vacations vs. the "lack" of N/S rooms for those that can't stand the thought of spending one minute in a S/O room. Our family belongs to the non-smoking group.
Based on the response to this thread....there was no huge outcry for the lack of S/O rooms.
Smoking is a legal activity and should be allowed and not frowned upon in one's S/O accommodations.
Lots of folks appear to be getting a tad more slick at using a medical condition as an "excuse' to land a smoke-free room.
I agree with those that think that smoking preference should be
just like unit size and be a "guarantee" not a request. Two things with this approach might work, you could leave a pool of unreserved units of various sizes or only allow for say 75% of folks to be guaranteed their breathing preference due to the way check-outs are not exact ie., not a week to week timeshare. The "pool plan" would most likely work but would cause some to not have a vacation. That could also, in the near term, cost the Mouse money and us too which....well, we all know that is the largest cause of most problems that folks have when getting Disney proper to address any somewhat controversial issue. The 75% cut-off would make the 11 month window even more valuable but would not solve the OP's problem or non-smokers getting a S/O room. That could/would still occur.
I have never understood why smoking should be "allowed" on the balcony of a N/S unit. It is a smokers right to smoke their lungs out to their hearts' desires inside the confines of their S/O unit and on the balcony of the same. But, I would hazard a guess, that most non-smokers never in their wildest dreams would find it logical to have someone smoking on their adjoining balcony in a N/S building. I, too, believe that this Disney "waffle" should be stopped. It causes nothing but more resentment between the folks.
I wish that there were outside designated smoking areas at the DVC resorts just like in the parks. This would give those smokers that get stuck in a N/S unit a place to smoke without being hassled. This would obviously be an inconvenience but it is clear that the politicos have taken this issue by the horns and your side appears to be losing.
It is nearly impossible to undo a N/S room that has been smoked in for any length of time short of opening the windows for a couple of days and using a smoke zapper type device. Wiping down the walls, cabinets, etc., is also needed.
The maintenance issue is a good one. I never knew that only kids make messes. You obviously, have never met my spouse or my friends spouses. Wear and tear is a fact of life but the damage to a room caused by smoking is more subtle and not as obvious as a spilled drink or even a mark on the wall. I would just not do as much upkeep on the smoking optional rooms. How much worse can a smokey carpet smell or how much yellow stain on a wall is too much?
Has anyone ever experienced the smoke smell coming through the bathroom venting system of a non-smoking when the ole bladder feels up at 3 in morning and one is sitting there contemplating the meaning of life? Seems that some smokers can't fight the temptation to light up in a N/S room.
Most agree that smokers are definitely in the minority when it comes to DVC membership. But I believe that as a percentage of the 2 groups that there about as many inconsiderate smokers as there are radical non-smokers. The more that can be done to keep the 2 apart, the better. That is why that smoking on a N/S balcony idea is a bad one.
I, personally, have read more posts from folks on these boards who got "stuck" with a S/O room than the other way around. This happened to us in early June and we had to fight to get moved the next day to a N/S room. It is obvious that is happens both ways. I feel the DVC should be much more accommodating in getting these folks moved as soon as possible in their vacation with as little impostion on the guest as possible. Moving is a pain but, with the present system, sometimes unavoidable.
FInally, a smoker who can't get their preference can still smoke "legally" in many areas of Disney, etc. A N/S doesn't have the "luxury" of sleeping in another location, that is the purpose of their room. When it comes to being "shafted", it appears that the non-smoker has a much greater risk of being impacted adversely than the smoker does when staying at the DVC under the current smoking/non-smoking request "rules".(I corrected a typo that originally has N/S instead of Smoking)
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baileybrad,
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I agree with those that think that smoking preference should be
just like unit size and be a "guarantee" not a request. But, unless you leave a pool of unreserved units of various sizes or only allow for say 75% of folks to be guaranteed their breathing preference.
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No need to do this. For example, let's say our "resort" has 100 rooms. 30 are designated smoking and 70 are non-smoking. If you attempt to make a reservation for a non-smoking room, MS should be able to tell you that there are no non-smoking units available at the time you call for the reservation. ( if we make smoking-non smoking guaranteed categories of course ) At this point your options are: accept a smoking optional room, waitlist for a non-smoking unit, or look for a reservation at a different resort.
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I have never understood why smoking should be "allowed" on the balcony of a N/S unit.
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We don't smoke, but we travel often with family and friends who do smoke. Though I would prefer they didn't smoke at all, the fact is they do and I'm not about to tell them to walk a mile through the woods where there will be a tree with a red trunk and to smoke there. Smoking outside on balconies is a compromise we have to make, so that's the way it goes.
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Has anyone ever experienced the smoke smell coming through the bathroom venting system of a non-smoking
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I haven't. Not saying it doesn't happen, but hasn't affected me.
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I, personally, have read more posts from folks on these boards who got "stuck" with a S/O room than the other way around.
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Which is why MS needs to make smoking-non smoking rooms guaranteed reserveable room categories.
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I agree with those that think that smoking preference should be
just like unit size and be a "guarantee" not a request. But, unless you leave a pool of unreserved units of various sizes or only allow for say 75% of folks to be guaranteed their breathing preference.
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No need to do this. For example, let's say our "resort" has 100 rooms. 30 are designated smoking and 70 are non-smoking. If you attempt to make a reservation for a non-smoking room, MS should be able to tell you that there are no non-smoking units available at the time you call for the reservation. ( if we make smoking-non smoking guaranteed categories of course ) At this point your options are: accept a smoking optional room, waitlist for a non-smoking unit, or look for a reservation at a different resort.
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I have never understood why smoking should be "allowed" on the balcony of a N/S unit.
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We don't smoke, but we travel often with family and friends who do smoke. Though I would prefer they didn't smoke at all, the fact is they do and I'm not about to tell them to walk a mile through the woods where there will be a tree with a red trunk and to smoke there. Smoking outside on balconies is a compromise we have to make, so that's the way it goes.
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Has anyone ever experienced the smoke smell coming through the bathroom venting system of a non-smoking
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I haven't. Not saying it doesn't happen, but hasn't affected me.
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I, personally, have read more posts from folks on these boards who got "stuck" with a S/O room than the other way around.
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Which is why MS needs to make smoking-non smoking rooms guaranteed reserveable room categories.
CaptainMidnight
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The problem is that cigarettes are an addictive drug. Most of those that are addicted cannot go for a several day stay without the adiction causing them to need to smoke. It's not like avoiding wearing jeans for a week, or someting else one could easily stop for a few days. When smokers don't get a smoking room, they have to smoke somewhere.
This is an excellent idea and allows smokers and non-smokers the choice. It makes perfect sense. The problem is arriving and not being guaranteed IMHO.
Agreed.
In Ontario Canada all our hotels if I remember correctly the rooms are all non smoking well the hotels I have stayed in in the past few years. We have no smoking laws here to rival most places. No smoking in bars restaurants and malls etc and this is also including hotels. I think it is a great idea as a non smoker and I love not having to worry if the room I am in is a smoking or non smoking room. The smokers have areas they can go to have a smoke just not indoors. Not even in our office buildings can you smoke anymore.
Baileybrad:
This is the "original poster" of this topic. I am not trying to start an argument nor am I trying to flame you about anything. However, if you want to reference me specifically, please get your facts straight before you post the following:
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The original poster mused that he, and his smoking spouse in particular, felt shafted by their inability to land a N/S room when checking-in at OKW and VWL on 2 recent vacations. This led him to wonder if the DVC was shrinking the amount of N/S rooms available at the DVC resorts with the possibility that would eventually lead to virtually none being offerred. He referred to the opportunity to smoke on vacation as a luxury, mentioned that smokers were getting shafted by the DVC and finally wondered if there aren't more DVC members out there who smoke than we think.
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If you go back and read my original post, you will see that I wanted a SMOKING OPTIONAL room not a N/S room. I believe that this error would change your overall point you were trying to make. I was slightly miffed that in 2 trips in a row we were dinied a SMOKING OPTIONAL room. That was the whole point of my post. Once again I am not trying to start a war or anything here. I just want the facts to be straight. I wouldn't have seen this posting if I didn't notice how many responses this post has generated. I unsubscribed from this thread long ago.
This is the "original poster" of this topic. I am not trying to start an argument nor am I trying to flame you about anything. However, if you want to reference me specifically, please get your facts straight before you post the following:
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The original poster mused that he, and his smoking spouse in particular, felt shafted by their inability to land a N/S room when checking-in at OKW and VWL on 2 recent vacations. This led him to wonder if the DVC was shrinking the amount of N/S rooms available at the DVC resorts with the possibility that would eventually lead to virtually none being offerred. He referred to the opportunity to smoke on vacation as a luxury, mentioned that smokers were getting shafted by the DVC and finally wondered if there aren't more DVC members out there who smoke than we think.
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If you go back and read my original post, you will see that I wanted a SMOKING OPTIONAL room not a N/S room. I believe that this error would change your overall point you were trying to make. I was slightly miffed that in 2 trips in a row we were dinied a SMOKING OPTIONAL room. That was the whole point of my post. Once again I am not trying to start a war or anything here. I just want the facts to be straight. I wouldn't have seen this posting if I didn't notice how many responses this post has generated. I unsubscribed from this thread long ago.
Dean
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One thing I don't believe has been brought up in this thread is that DVC has been steadily decreasing the number of smoking units, especiaally at HH and OKW. That could mean only two things. Either there are less requests and need overall for smoking units or DVC is purposefully heading toward non smoking, or both. No other reasonable explanations. But just like BW view units, there may be times when the requests outweigh the availability.
CaptainMidnight
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Great points, I agree.
How do you know this? Is this different than the hotel industry? Are they also decreasing? Are other Disney hotels decreasing the number of smoking rooms?
"DVC is purposefully heading toward non smoking" - boy, that would be a big change for DVC. Anyone else see this as the reason?
Interesting information.
Dean
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I think you misread my post. The fact is that DVC HAS decreased the number of smoking units at HH and OKW for certain, I am not sure about the other locations. For them to actively do this, I can only think of two explanation. As I posted, these are either there is less demand OR intentionally heading toward non smoking. Frankly I favor the former and doubt the latter.
LoveToDisney
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Being a non-smoker and one whose throat tightens around smoke residue or fragrance to the point of squeaking until I can get away from it to breathe, I would like the ability to reserve a guaranteed non-smoking room at 11 months out as much as the smoker wants to reserve a guaranteed smoking room. I think if DVC dedicated a certain number to non-smoking (based on the number of usual requests) and would GUARANTEE THOSE and then leave the remaining as "smoking optional", one could decide if a guaranteed room of choice was not available whether one wanted to go another time, another resort or choose to chance it with a smoking-optional room. The present system does as much damage to both sides of the smoking issue regarding their peace of mind and it is definitely NOT FAIR to either! I think the hassles at the check-in desk would diminish tremendously and the disappointments in getting the wrong room! Each time a non-smoker reserves EARLY and gets stuck in a smoking -optional room and the smoker who reserves EARLY is stuck in a non-smoking room, it MAKES NO SENSE!! DISNEY--PLEASE LISTEN TO US!!! You must change your reservation system to guarantee some of the rooms regarding the smoking preference.
I am a cigar smoking fool, but i would never even think about smoking in my room for my familys sake and the next renters. I love my cigars and the way they help me relax. you can find me on every trip at 9pm on the last bench on the Boardwalk near the piano bar enjoying a smoke, will be there 8-1 to 8-5 2004 mention this post and i will have a good cigar for you to enjoy with me!!!!!!
Dancind
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GAIL HAYDEN, I've seen you post before about your allergies to perfume, and I've been tempted to reply, but I usually try to avoid disagreements on the boards. It's just so ironic. I am also very allergic to perfume, but I also react to cigarette smoke, cleaning solvents, pesticides, etc., in fact, most chemicals. I had long term, low level exposure to some pesticides at work, and it made me very sick. The very first thing I reacted to was cigarette smoke. I would cough my head off, get horrible headaches, then eventually a low-grade fever and swollen glands. It affected me mentally as well as physically. Let's just say I was very irritable.
The second thing I started reacting to was fragrance. I quickly learned that not all fragrance bothered me, just the chemical based ones (almost all of them, especially Calvin Klein!). If it's natural fragrance, I'm OK. Here's the reason they bothered me: the manufacturers create them from chemicals, including a number of addictive chemicals that are the same ones added to nicotine. It's what keeps people buying their product, and wearing more and more of it over time (just like cigarettes). I wish I could tell you where to find this information (short term memory loss), but I think it's still out there. My Dr. told me that you can be loading up on all sorts of chemicals (food additives, dry cleaning solvent, fabric softener, etc, etc), and only a few will cause an immediate reaction, but they are all doing the same thing to your body if you are sensitive. And eventually, you will react to them all. It will be interesting to see what you have to say about smoking when your body begins to react to it the same way it does to fragrance.
I've gotten better, as you suggested, by avoidance. Lots of it, pretty much a hermit for quite a while.
I had to take my daughter to a dance convention in Las Vegas last week. Vegas is the most unhealthy city on the planet, IMHO. I got a non-smoking room, was only in crowds for as short of time as possible, and avoided the casinos. Last Saturday, I decided to take my daughter and a friend to an OUTDOOR concert. I'm not sure what I was thinking. It was at the Beach at Mandalay Bay. We got there early, marked a spot with our towels on the beach, and the girls went to wade in the pool. Gorgeous setting. During the concert, they stayed right in front of the band. I stayed on the towels, so they would know where I was if they needed me. Meanwhile, the whole beach filled up, and I had several chain smokers around me (all of them young, attractive women, why is that?). A couple did blow their smoke away from me at my request, but I had a headache that lasted a full day after, and coughed quite a bit that night. I'm still coughing today, three days later.
By the way, you Febreze lovers. If you have anyone with allergies in your family, please remember that all you're doing is spraying perfumes into the air when you use it.
And my apologies to the OP. Obviously, I don't ask for smoking rooms, but was given one once on check-in at BWV. They found us a NS studio for the night until they could get us the reserved NS 1 BR. I didn't want to be sick for the rest of the trip.
The second thing I started reacting to was fragrance. I quickly learned that not all fragrance bothered me, just the chemical based ones (almost all of them, especially Calvin Klein!). If it's natural fragrance, I'm OK. Here's the reason they bothered me: the manufacturers create them from chemicals, including a number of addictive chemicals that are the same ones added to nicotine. It's what keeps people buying their product, and wearing more and more of it over time (just like cigarettes). I wish I could tell you where to find this information (short term memory loss), but I think it's still out there. My Dr. told me that you can be loading up on all sorts of chemicals (food additives, dry cleaning solvent, fabric softener, etc, etc), and only a few will cause an immediate reaction, but they are all doing the same thing to your body if you are sensitive. And eventually, you will react to them all. It will be interesting to see what you have to say about smoking when your body begins to react to it the same way it does to fragrance.
I've gotten better, as you suggested, by avoidance. Lots of it, pretty much a hermit for quite a while.
I had to take my daughter to a dance convention in Las Vegas last week. Vegas is the most unhealthy city on the planet, IMHO. I got a non-smoking room, was only in crowds for as short of time as possible, and avoided the casinos. Last Saturday, I decided to take my daughter and a friend to an OUTDOOR concert. I'm not sure what I was thinking. It was at the Beach at Mandalay Bay. We got there early, marked a spot with our towels on the beach, and the girls went to wade in the pool. Gorgeous setting. During the concert, they stayed right in front of the band. I stayed on the towels, so they would know where I was if they needed me. Meanwhile, the whole beach filled up, and I had several chain smokers around me (all of them young, attractive women, why is that?). A couple did blow their smoke away from me at my request, but I had a headache that lasted a full day after, and coughed quite a bit that night. I'm still coughing today, three days later.
By the way, you Febreze lovers. If you have anyone with allergies in your family, please remember that all you're doing is spraying perfumes into the air when you use it.
And my apologies to the OP. Obviously, I don't ask for smoking rooms, but was given one once on check-in at BWV. They found us a NS studio for the night until they could get us the reserved NS 1 BR. I didn't want to be sick for the rest of the trip.
Dan Murfman
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I don't know I've seen plenty of old ugly men smoke.
baileybrad
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...the fingers get a little confused....along with the brain. Obviously, the original poster wanted a SMOKING ROOM and my entire response was directed to that fact. A typo was made that in no way opened up the OP to any kind of abuse. I bent over backward to stay balanced in my approach to the available number of smoking rooms and non-smoking rooms at the DVC resorts. And, as I mentioned, we have been "burned" by receiving a SMOKING OPTIONAL room when we desperately need a N/S unit.
Another option available if the DVC went totally non-smoking would be to buy back the points from any owners who did not wish to deal with the direction that Disney and many governmental agencies are going.
Smoking areas seem to be shrinking everywhere (the only proof that I have is my own eyes and nose). Many of our local restaurants are now totally non-smoking (and we bump right up against good ole Kentucky) and tout this fact in their advertisements. These places are packed by the way. Virtually all of the parents in our church, at work, and in our kids sports circles that have young families do not smoke.
It is weird that a legal habit ie., smoking a cigarette around other folks has become such an issue in our lives that it even affects our timeshare enjoyment....either way. It is so clear that the winds of change regarding smoking are blowing right in the direction of the smokers at the present time. Does anyone really see this pattern lessening?
As most posters seem to agree, I just wish that the DVC would be more upfront and become a leader about the entire issue with consistent policies and moving forward with making the smoking request part of the guaranteed reservation.
Another option available if the DVC went totally non-smoking would be to buy back the points from any owners who did not wish to deal with the direction that Disney and many governmental agencies are going.
Smoking areas seem to be shrinking everywhere (the only proof that I have is my own eyes and nose). Many of our local restaurants are now totally non-smoking (and we bump right up against good ole Kentucky) and tout this fact in their advertisements. These places are packed by the way. Virtually all of the parents in our church, at work, and in our kids sports circles that have young families do not smoke.
It is weird that a legal habit ie., smoking a cigarette around other folks has become such an issue in our lives that it even affects our timeshare enjoyment....either way. It is so clear that the winds of change regarding smoking are blowing right in the direction of the smokers at the present time. Does anyone really see this pattern lessening?
As most posters seem to agree, I just wish that the DVC would be more upfront and become a leader about the entire issue with consistent policies and moving forward with making the smoking request part of the guaranteed reservation.
How do you know this?
Is this different than the hotel industry? Are they also decreasing? Are other Disney hotels decreasing the number of smoking rooms?
OK. Still would be interesting to know if this is a trend in all Disney (DVC and others) resorts.
Oh, that makes sense because your earlier statement
....that would be a big change for DVC.
Anyone else see the above statement as the reason?
Dean
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Desperado, I know about the decrease in smoking units at OKW and HH from this board. If I recall correctly, there are no longer any GV smoking units at HH. I think the number of smoking buildings at OKW has decreased to 4. I think Doc would be your best source of specific info on this subject. I always assumed it was due to less demand and still essentially assume that.
As for the hotel industry, I can't speak intelligently in general. As I noted earlier, a number of timeshares including some Marriott's have or are in the process of going all non smoking.
As for the hotel industry, I can't speak intelligently in general. As I noted earlier, a number of timeshares including some Marriott's have or are in the process of going all non smoking.
I see. I hadn't seen posts about the number of smoking rooms in OKW and HH being reduced, thanks for sharing. I also didn't realize some Marriott's have or are in the process of going all non smoking. Perhaps it is a trend. We're certainly seeing entire cities post smoking bands for businesses, it would be interesting to learn if demand is decreasing. Maybe the trend for other DVC resorts will be to reduce the number of smoking rooms. At Vero Beach, the top floor of building 15, the rooms with the best views in that building are smoking rooms. Parhaps decreased demand will open some of those great view rooms to non-smokers.
FLYNZ4
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Just as a datapoint... All 50+ WorldMark timeshare resorts, and all 3 Trendwest Residence Club resorts have gone 100% non-smoking. Just like here, there were heated debates in the user communities that it would never happen... even though the vast majority prefered non smoking.
I think that DVC will be non-smoking much more quickly than most believe... based on what I see as overwhelming industry trends.
/Jim
I think that DVC will be non-smoking much more quickly than most believe... based on what I see as overwhelming industry trends.
/Jim
CRobin
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Good info, Jim.
Question - how do they handle the issue, which comes up here alot, about someone smoking in a unit as they are now all N/S?
I am a smoker, and have never smoked (nor never would) in a N/S unit, subjecting my DW and asthmatic ILs (frequent guests of ours at WDW) to that.
I do smoke on the balconies, because it is permitted, but if I notice that it is bothering someone I hike downstairs and go outside.
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