For you smokers out there......

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ban smoking

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  1. sweetp267

    sweetp267 Mouseketeer

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    Hi, I'm not trying to start a smoker-nonsmoker war out there. I just have one question out there for all of our members who smoke or have one or more family member that smokes, why after two trips this past May and Jan couldn't to save our lives get a smoking room? We stayed at the VWL in Jan and at OKW in May and could not get a smoking room whatsoever. I see all of these post about members getting stuck with a smoking room when they stated over and over that they did not want a smoking room for health or family reasons. Why do we get the shake of the head from the CM when checking in that they are all gone during our stay? My wife does smoke but not a whole lot. She just wants the luxury, (that's what it seems like to her) to smoke wherever she wants in her own room whenever she wants. It seems that they are shrinking the amount of rooms more and more until there won't be any left at all.

    You non-smokers out there I respect and understand your feelings about smoking and getting a room with that "smell" but some people just can't quit for a week especially on vacation and I have the feeling that we have more members out there than we think that do smoke and get the shaft every time they check into their resort.
     
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  3. Deesknee

    Deesknee <font color=blue>When we were kids (long time ago)

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    I can relate to your wife wanting to smoke on vacation when and where she would like.

    I recently stopped smoking (17mnts now) and would probably love a cigarette on vacation even still. I find it extremely relaxing. I hope I don't start but wouldn't be surprised if i did start on vaca (although my family would be upset).

    As a reformed smoker (atleast today) I also understand the smell that smoking can leave behind well after the smoker is gone.

    Our last vaca to OKW we were given a nonsmoker room. When I went to the desk after being in the room (and looking for an ashtray) and asked for a smoking room they were more than happy to ablige. I don't know if I had requested one or not when making my ressies. I probably wouldn't have thought of it as I didn't smoke that much at that time. I think that they were afraid I would smoke in the room anyway so wanted to make sure they gave us a smoking room. ( I probably would have smoked on the balcony if at all.) But I must say I totally enjoyed sitting on the balcony (of my smoking room) in the a.m having my coffee and smoke to start my day before anyone else got up. At that time that was the most relaxing time of my vacation. I was certainly grateful the OKW could accomadate. Just my .02 worth.
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  4. sweetp267

    sweetp267 Mouseketeer

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    Well Deesknee, I think you lucked out on that request. I thought that getting a smoking room would be a breeze going by the bulk of the members who seem to be non-smokers, but no matter how hard I tried at the front desk the basically said in the nice wat the we were SOL. Let's hope that on our next trip we get what we want.
     
  5. FLYNZ4

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    As a new owner, I was really surprised that DVC allowed smoking at all. The timeshare/condo industry trend has been moving strongly away from smoking as far as I can tell. I think it will only be a matter of time before smoking is prohibited from all indoor locations. I remember when we thought it was ridiculous to ban smoking on airline flights... but we do not give it a second thought anymore.

    I do think that designated smoking areas should be set up in locations that are convenient, for the smokers, while not subjecting non-smokers to second hand smoke.

    /Jim
     
  6. RoyalCanadian

    RoyalCanadian A Proud DVC Member @ SSR

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    I must agree with FLYNZ4. I too don't want to see this degenerate into a smoker/non-smoker's rights issue -- it's more of an economic issue. I am a member of the Board of Directors of a non-profit seniors' apartment building -- it costs us thousands of dollars to prep an apartment between tenants, and that cost is multiplied when the previous tenant has been a smoker. I can't imagine what the renovation cost of a DVC unit must be when furniture is included.
     
  7. Sabor

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    I always Request at OKW
    1) Smoking
    2) Near Turtle Pond

    We have always gotten bldg 41
    WE always book at 11 months if that has any factor.

    If they ban smoking from every building , I guess it will be time to sell my DVC.

    I am just waiting for the day when it becomes illegal to smoke in your own home with the windows open!
     
  8. Nick@ VB+OKW

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    I agree with the above post by FLYNZ4. Hopefully the sooner the better.
     
  9. GAIL HAYDEN

    GAIL HAYDEN DVC Member since '92

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    Hotels, Inns etc, yes, timeshares NO they have not been veering away from it. It is considered a second home. All indoor areas, yes public ones, but, no private rooms.


    Personally, I see NO reason in the world why I sould have to leave my unit to have a cigarette. Keep the smoking designated units and don't worry what goes on inside them.
     
  10. GAIL HAYDEN

    GAIL HAYDEN DVC Member since '92

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    My one request is a smoking units. I sometimes request a certain building, and that one is usually 41 and I never reserve more than 6 months out. So far, so good.
     
  11. FLYNZ4

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    Gail,

    My comment is not one about smokers rights... it has more to do with industry trends. One condo association that I own (WorldMark/Trendwest) is in the process of banning smoking in all 50 locations worldwide. Up until now, they have had a "voluntary non-smoking policy" asking owners to smoke outside. As of next month... it will be mandatory. When the membership was asked to vote (non-binding) on the issue during the last ballot election, there was an overwhelming response to ban interior smoking.

    I am simply predicting that over time, I expect this to become the norm... not the exception. Somehow, I expected that Disney would have been a leader in this area.

    /Jim
     
  12. Nick@ VB+OKW

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    :scratchin ...........very intresting. Do I see a vote coming from DVC members......
     
  13. BWVDee

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    Not only was Disney not the leader in this area; my prediction is Disney will never eliminate smoking rooms entirely. They get too many guests, especially from overseas, that are smokers.
    Personally I think they do not have enough smoking rooms which causes the problems with guests MANY times being told by CMs to smoke in the room anyhow, causes problems with guests smoking on the balcony (where it is prefectly allowed in ALL WDW rooms) and having non smokers complain that they can smell the smoke from 50 ft away and through layers of concrete (??) and causes the problems that people just smoke on their own in a non smoking room even without the front desk CMs permission.
    I am amazed when I read about all these people that get stuck with smoking rooms. Since the vast majority of rooms are non smoking it is really strange that people that request non smoking get smoking rooms, yet those that request smoking rooms can't get them!
    We have had smokers in our traveling group and have requested a non smoking room and have been told there were none? We have also been told to smoke in a non smoking room (no one did) and have been told it is fine to smoke on any WDW balcony.
    I especially think BWV made a very big mistake by changing all boardwalk villas into non smoking villas. First of all it is not giving the same choices of room selections to all members and also it will now accomplish nothing but having more people smoking in a non smoking room and on the balconies--because they want a boardwalk view.
    Personally it does not really matter to me, because either a smoking or a non smoking room is fine with me--and I have asthma--and I have never experienced some of the over the top stuff that people post on these boards! But I really feel some of the really dramatic anti smokers are pushing to the point that they better watch what they wish for. There are always going to be a lot of smokers at WDW and although I highly, highly doubt WDW will ever eliminate all smoking rooms, I know they will never stop people from smoking on their balconies. Consequently if by a very slim chance there were no smoking rooms/villas to be had---there is going to be an awful lot of guests smoking on their balconies and I really doubt the "I can smell smoke from the villa 2 floors below and through 8 ft of concrete", is going to hold water. And I also think this will cause a lot of people to smoke in non smoking rooms. Smokers are DVC members the same as anyone else and they have the same right to enjoy their villa as anyone else does--if this is taken away, I could see people getting annoyed to the point of smoking in their villa anyway. It already happens now.
    As far as Disney charging extra to clean a non smoking room that was smoked in----I again doubt it. They don't charge members/guests that have kids that do distruction to the villas, nor do they charge the members/guests that steal kitchenware etc from the villas, nor do they charge guests for the extra cleaning that needs to be done to a villa/room that has a sickening, strong and lingering odor of perfume or strange cooking odors, etc.--then I highly doubt they will or in fairness could charge for cleaning a non smoking room that has been smoked in.
     
  14. Dean

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    SOME of the Marriott is also going toward TOTAL nonsmoking for newer resorts including Grande Ocean in HH. I have no problem with having smoking buildings or areas or with people smoking in those units or on the balconies. I have major problems with anyone smoiking in a non smoking unit or on the balcony of a non smoking unit. EVEN if told it was ok by a CM, who should be fired on the spot. There should be a hefty fine if one smokes in a non smoking unit. And DVC should book them directly rather than smoking/non smoking being a request.

    Still, the political climate in FL would suggest that total non smoking is not unlikely for hotels and the like and that timeshare will likely follow suite as it keeps maint costs down.
     
  15. BWVDee

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    I totally agree with you on this point.
     
  16. GAIL HAYDEN

    GAIL HAYDEN DVC Member since '92

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    Dean,
    I, too, have issues with people smoking in non smoking units, I have NO issues with them smoking outside.
    When you start to fine the parents of destructive children, slobs, theives, etc. then, and only then, would I back a fine for smoking in a non smoking room.
    I agree about the booking directly.
    We have a very strong non smoking law here in CT. Yet, the hotels etc. still have their smoking rooms and non smoking rooms.
    I really don't think Disney will ban smoking entirely.
    Maint. costs don't necessarily rise because of smokers. They rise because people are slobs and don't give a hoot what they do away from home.
    The "go ahead and smoke" in a non smoking unit has been in practice since the very beginning. On our first trip in Sept. 92 we had booked a GV, the only one available when we checked in was a non smoking unit, we declined and waited until 6pm for the smoking one to open, even though we were told they would provide ashtrays for us in the non smoking unit. I think this is a situation where DVC puts on a good face to please the non smokers and does a double face and pleases the smokers. It has been done since the beginning and I doubt it will change.
    Don't blame the CM, blame the management.
    The decrease in smoking buildings is going to make this situation much worse.
     
  17. Nick@ VB+OKW

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    Gail

    I say let all DVC members vote on it.......and the majority wins.[​IMG]
     
  18. GAIL HAYDEN

    GAIL HAYDEN DVC Member since '92

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    sure, just like the slide.
     
  19. Dean

    Dean DIS Veteran<br><a href="http://www.wdwinfo.com/dis

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    Gail, I beg to differ on the cost issue. While it's true that anyone who mistreats a unit may increase the cost, research suggests that smoking is the largest defineable issue. Same for cars where smoking cars tend to bring less than non smoking cars. Anyone who trashes the unit should be charged, PERIOD. IMO, smoking in a non smoking unit is nothing short of criminal. If management says it's ok to smoke in a non smoking unit, they too should be fired.
     
  20. Pa@okw95

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    My wife smokes and for years she had never smoked inside except at the casinos where it is allowed. AT OKW and other DVC resorts there is not a problem with smoking because she can go outside on the porch to smoke.. I think they have cut back at OKW with the smoking rooms but I am not sure. I can not sleep in a room where someone has been smoking so I would never take a room that someone smoked in. The trend is towrd less smoking rooms-my wife bought a car that had no ash tray or lighter in it-can you believe that. Things are changing.
     
  21. GAIL HAYDEN

    GAIL HAYDEN DVC Member since '92

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    Hondas, for one, do not have ashtrays or lighters. It is an option, one I paid for.
     
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