Baby Veronica is going home!!!!

[sunshinehighway]

Everyone is talking about what what they are going to say to Veronica when she is a teen. I wonder what they are saying to her now. I can't imagine her not asking for her mom and dad, or when she is going to go home, or about her grandparents or sister. What do they say to those questions now?

Plus I wonder where they are now. Are they with Dr. Phil or Troy the Locator? I really wouldn't put that past them at this point.

I feel so sad for her. I am glad to know I am not the only one that sees that picture of the 3 of them smiling and think that Melanie and Matt look evil. I am not the type of person to be negative or to feel that way about people but I do with this couple. Then I see Veronica smiling but IMO it looks more like a child smiling for a camera not a smile of pure joy.

It is a sad situation for her.

I think they looked completely clueless and self centered. .. two happy idiots that have no idea what they've really done.

 

[jrmasm]

The poster I quoted said, "No, they certainly are not the only people capable of loving her. But personally I see more advantages to growing up in a stable, loving, biological home then a stable, loving, adopted home."-zoemurr

Yes and you replied 'tell that to my daughter'. Was your daughter removed from a stable, loving biological home?

I think what that poster meant is that she believes with all things being equal, a child is better off with the biological parent.

 

[epcot.girl]

And all that may come true or all that may not even happen.

You guys are predicting death and destruction based on what? The fact that she may have memories (which once again you don't know if she will or will not) of a time I'm not even sure she's processing.

You've got darn near all of south carolina tar and feathering her. I've got a boat load of relatives in South carolina who couldn't give a rats patoie about them and yet every one here swears they are now public enemy number one. I've been googling the story (I have not followed it) and it seems like according to their home town Newspaper, the post and courier people there seem pretty ok with it. Didn't see any massive demonstrations outside their house.

Like I said, I have not read a whole lot on this story, really just the last few days after the outcome. I'm just really wondering how all of you are so sure she's going to end up as some psychotic mess who hates her adoptive parents.

Nice hyperbole. The teenage years can be difficult, people gossip and the information is out there. It's not a stretch to think the Capobianco's may have some difficult times with Veronica ahead due to their actions.

You're right that she may not remember, but based on my own experience I'd be very surprised if that's the case.

Everyone is talking about what what they are going to say to Veronica when she is a teen. I wonder what they are saying to her now. I can't imagine her not asking for her mom and dad, or when she is going to go home, or about her grandparents or sister. What do they say to those questions now?

True, and so sad.

I think they looked completely clueless and self centered. .. two happy idiots that have no idea what they've really done.

Agreed.

 

[Robbi]

I think they looked completely clueless and self centered. .. two happy idiots that have no idea what they've really done.

Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. The 3 of them look like a happy family.

Yes and you replied 'tell that to my daughter'. Was your daughter removed from a stable, loving biological home?

I think what that poster meant is that she believes with all things being equal, a child is better off with the biological parent.

It must be in the interpretation. Nothing was said about all things being equal. A child raised in a loving home is what matters be it biological or adoptive.

 

[zoemurr]

Yes and you replied 'tell that to my daughter'. Was your daughter removed from a stable, loving biological home?

I think what that poster meant is that she believes with all things being equal, a child is better off with the biological parent.

That is exactly what I meant. Thank you for clarifying. I didn't quite understand the response either.

 

[jrmasm]

Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. The 3 of them look like a happy family. It must be in the interpretation. Nothing was said about all things being equal. A child raised in a loving home is what matters be it biological or adoptive.

There is nothing wrong with a loving adoptive home except with there is a loving biological home.

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

Tell that to my adopted daughter.

I'm happy to tell that to my adopted son.

In my child's case, something very sad happened. His birth family experienced a crisis that meant that they couldn't care for him. That's a heartbreaking thing, and something that one wouldn't wish for any child.

Fortunately, he and I were matched, and he joined my family. Which is wonderful. Don't get me wrong, I love him to death, I do everything in my power to do right by him, and he's thriving.

But the fact that his adoption has turned out well, doesn't erase the original loss. That tragedy will always be part of his story. Just like a wonderful second marriage doesn't undo the death of someone's first husband or wife.

In this case, and in many other cases, the adoptive couple and the adoption system, actually caused or contributed to the initial crisis that lead to the child changing homes. That's really not that different than murdering someone's wife because you want to be wife #2.

 

[Robbi]

I'm happy to tell that to my adopted son.

In my child's case, something very sad happened. His birth family experienced a crisis that meant that they couldn't care for him. That's a heartbreaking thing, and something that one wouldn't wish for any child.

Fortunately, he and I were matched, and he joined my family. Which is wonderful. Don't get me wrong, I love him to death, I do everything in my power to do right by him, and he's thriving.

But the fact that his adoption has turned out well, doesn't erase the original loss. That tragedy will always be part of his story. Just like a wonderful second marriage doesn't undo the death of someone's first husband or wife.

In this case, and in many other cases, the adoptive couple and the adoption system, actually caused or contributed to the initial crisis that lead to the child changing homes. That's really not that different than murdering someone's wife because you want to be wife #2.

A messed up adoption = murdering a spouse. Ok????

 

[Mickey'snewestfan]

A messed up adoption = murdering a spouse. Ok????

Creating a horrible loss for someone so that you can benefit? Yes, pretty parallel.

 

[Coonhound]

I would like to share with you all something that my wife told me, because it is relevant to the Veronica story.

When my wife was a baby and toddler, her parents lived in one city, but, they moved to another city when she turned 2.
They moved AGAIN to another city when she was 4.
These are the same ages as baby Veronica- 2 years old when she was removed from the Capobiancos, and 4 years old when she was taken from Dustin Brown.

When my wife was 2 and younger, in the one city, her parents both were in school and worked all day and so my wife was left with a substitute "grandma" and "grandpa" who adored her. She was apparently happy there and loved them and was well taken care of. However that changed when she turned 2 and moved to another city. She has absolutely zero memories of her time with that couple. None at all.

So then, after moving at age 2, she then lived in the same city as her actual, real grandparents, who became the ones to take care of her all day since both parents still worked.
Ages 2-4 were spent all day, every day, with these people and she remembers a LOT about her time with them.

Now, at age 4, family moved again and in her new city she began going to preschool. She remembers crying a LOT at this age and being very depressed, not wanting to play or anything, often had to be removed from school due to crying and being so upset..her parents were worried. They said that she would cry and say she missed her grandma and grandpa. She got to go visit her grandma and grandpa every weekend, but that wasnt enough in her mind because prior to that she had practically lived with them, being at their house almost all of her waking hours. They were worried because it was actual depression and they had to take her to a psychologist.
She was depressed until about age 8. By the time she was 8, she no longer knew WHY she was depressed, but that was how long her depression lasted. And keep in mind that she was not prohibited from seeing her grandparents in any way, she visited them nearly every weekend..it was just the transition, the shock of her world changing and the two people she with constantly with no longer being an every day presence in her life.

My wife said she STILL remembers that feeling of not having them every day anymore. She says they were practically her parents from ages 2-4. And she still remembers.

Now, the couple that took care of her until she was 2, she does not remember. She says she is sure she was happy with them and they did a good job taking care of her, but she has no memories of them.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

And all that may come true or all that may not even happen.

You guys are predicting death and destruction based on what? The fact that she may have memories (which once again you don't know if she will or will not) of a time I'm not even sure she's processing.

You've got darn near all of south carolina tar and feathering her. I've got a boat load of relatives in South carolina who couldn't give a rats patoie about them and yet every one here swears they are now public enemy number one. I've been googling the story (I have not followed it) and it seems like according to their home town Newspaper, the post and courier people there seem pretty ok with it. Didn't see any massive demonstrations outside their house.

I've found just as many articles supporting them as vilifying them.

Like I said, I have not read a whole lot on this story, really just the last few days after the outcome. I'm just really wondering how all of you are so sure she's going to end up as some psychotic mess who hates her adoptive parents.

The problem is, that the "adoption" was based on deception and dishonesty. That is why the outrage.

 

[eliza61]

The problem is, that the "adoption" was based on deception and dishonesty. That is why the outrage.

And I totally get the outrage but I'm laughing at all these ridiculous predications.

Remember when the president first got elected and we heard
1) we'll all be muslim
2) we'll be a socialist country
3) our children will be goose stepping.

That's exactly what you guys sound like. A mob with pitch forks.

So far you've (not you personally) predicted.

1) their entire town will hate them and their friends will leave them and turn on them.
2) the kids in this town will tease her relentlessly about being baby veronica
3) she will grow up seriously damaged and 1 step from a pole dancing trailer trash alchie
4) she will google this case and all of a sudden hate her adoptive parents.
5) they are evil based on nothing but a picture of a them smiling (my personal favorite).


So if the adoption was based on deceit and lies, fix the adoption process.

Truthfully I think you guys are hoping she has problems simply because you don't like this couple. Which IMO is kinda sad. from the tone of things, you all are wishing she turns into a nutcase simply to say "see, that's what they get"

 

[sunshinehighway]

And I totally get the outrage but I'm laughing at all these ridiculous predications.

Remember when the president first got elected and we heard
1) we'll all be muslim
2) we'll be a socialist country
3) our children will be goose stepping.

That's exactly what you guys sound like. A mob with pitch forks.

So far you've (not you personally) predicted.

1) their entire town will hate them and their friends will leave them and turn on them.
2) the kids in this town will tease her relentlessly about being baby veronica
3) she will grow up seriously damaged and 1 step from a pole dancing trailer trash alchie
4) she will google this case and all of a sudden hate her adoptive parents.
5) they are evil based on nothing but a picture of a them smiling (my personal favorite).


So if the adoption was based on deceit and lies, fix the adoption process.

Truthfully I think you guys are hoping she has problems simply because you don't like this couple. Which IMO is kinda sad. from the tone of things, you all are wishing she turns into a nutcase simply to say "see, that's what they get"

The bolded seems to be the only thing from your list anyone is predicting. Whether she ends up hating them or not, who knows? There will come a point that she wants more information on her adoption and her bio parents. It's only natural. Itd more likely that once she finds out her adopt was extremely shady and her father desperately wanted her, she is going to have some very serious issues to work through.

 

[epcot.girl]

And I totally get the outrage but I'm laughing at all these ridiculous predications.

Remember when the president first got elected and we heard
1) we'll all be muslim
2) we'll be a socialist country
3) our children will be goose stepping.

That's exactly what you guys sound like. A mob with pitch forks.

So far you've (not you personally) predicted.

1) their entire town will hate them and their friends will leave them and turn on them.
2) the kids in this town will tease her relentlessly about being baby veronica
3) she will grow up seriously damaged and 1 step from a pole dancing trailer trash alchie
4) she will google this case and all of a sudden hate her adoptive parents.
5) they are evil based on nothing but a picture of a them smiling (my personal favorite).


So if the adoption was based on deceit and lies, fix the adoption process.

Truthfully I think you guys are hoping she has problems simply because you don't like this couple. Which IMO is kinda sad. from the tone of things, you all are wishing she turns into a nutcase simply to say "see, that's what they get"

Actually you're the only one I've seen making these hyperbolic predictions/comments. Feel free to correct me on all of the following but, apart from you, as far as I can see no one has said the whole town will hate them or that Veronica will be teased at all, let alone relentlessly. No one has said she will, without a doubt, grow up severely damaged. It's not unreasonable to expect that she may google herself in the future (most people are at least a little curious about where they came from and she'll have fairly easy access to her history compared to the rest of us) but that's no guarantee she'll HATE the Capobianco's, although she may well feel some real anger/resentment. The evil comments have been largely based on their actions, not the photo.

 

[snarlingcoyote]

So if the adoption was based on deceit and lies, fix the adoption process.

Truthfully I think you guys are hoping she has problems simply because you don't like this couple.

A good many of us thought the adoption process HAD been fixed over 30 years ago!

I don't know the C's and, until they published pictures of themselves, had never seen the C's. All I know of this couple is what they've chosen to publish and what the facts of this case are. All I know is their actions in this case.

And that is enough.

 

[JanaDee]

And I totally get the outrage but I'm laughing at all these ridiculous predications.

Remember when the president first got elected and we heard
1) we'll all be muslim
2) we'll be a socialist country
3) our children will be goose stepping.

That's exactly what you guys sound like. A mob with pitch forks.

So far you've (not you personally) predicted.

1) their entire town will hate them and their friends will leave them and turn on them.
2) the kids in this town will tease her relentlessly about being baby veronica
3) she will grow up seriously damaged and 1 step from a pole dancing trailer trash alchie
4) she will google this case and all of a sudden hate her adoptive parents.
5) they are evil based on nothing but a picture of a them smiling (my personal favorite).

So if the adoption was based on deceit and lies, fix the adoption process.

Truthfully I think you guys are hoping she has problems simply because you don't like this couple. Which IMO is kinda sad. from the tone of things, you all are wishing she turns into a nutcase simply to say "see, that's what they get"

The picture has nothing to do with them being evil. It is their actions that make them evil.

 

[robinb]

A messed up adoption = murdering a spouse. Ok????

For all intents and purposes her biological father and the family she spent the last 2 years with is dead to her.

From what I read, while in mediation the C's would not agree to any realistic visitation or time in OK with D:

Last week, as the clock was running down on the stay that the Oklahoma Supreme Court had granted him, Dusten Brown had tried to negotiate even a bare minimum of visitation with his daughter. At the beginning of the week, there was a hopeful offer that included three weeks in the summer, one weekend every other month in South Carolina, and with alternating Christmases, which seemed like a solid deal. But as the parties returned to court on Wednesday morning, the Capobiancos again reneged and the negotiations started all over again.


By Friday afternoon, they made one last half-hearted offer in which Brown would get to see his daughter roughly 10 hours a month in South Carolina, with supervision. But even that, according to insiders, was not written to include any kind of enforcement.

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwo...urns-veronica-returned-adoptive-family-151418

We'll see if they allow him the whole 10-hours per month with his child, but I am not holding my breath. Maybe they figure if he has to pay for their court costs he won't be able to afford the plane ticket from OK to SC every month.

 

[Coonhound]

These people make me feel like I am going to vomit. They won't agree to even let this poor man spend 10 hours with his own baby!

And seriously, suing him for court costs?? Really? They want to make him pay the court costs that they got for trying to take his baby away from him? He was fighting to keep his baby, he lost, got his child taken away from him, and now the Capobiancos want him to pay them money? Adds insult to injury!!

I knew it from the start- Veronica is never going to see her real father again.

And because the Capobiancos are the ones raising her, there is no doubt in my mind that they will tell her their side of the story and that is what she will believe.
She may never even WANT to re-connect with her real father, because she will believe the lies they tell her. Why should she believe anything else? If you were a kid, you would believe what your parents said over what you found online, most likely.

Poor Dusten. Poor Veronica. The Capobiancos smug, triumphant smiles make me sick. How can they not see what they've done?? When you adopt, you are supposed to take a child who needs a home and a family. Not a child who already HAS a home and a family!

 

[luvsJack]

Guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. The 3 of them look like a happy family.



It must be in the interpretation. Nothing was said about all things being equal. A child raised in a loving home is what matters be it biological or adoptive.

Because that is what you are determined to see.

You are defending adoption to the point of it not mattering what this child is being put through. Just as these people were determined to "win the prize" not do what was best for the child.

Its great that in YOUR case that your child was giving a loving. stable home without being ripped from her loving parent. Your case is the way it is supposed to work.

THIS child did not need to be adopted. She had a loving caring parent that could take care of her.

Saying that the father should have his child isn't the same thing as saying all adoption is bad, you do realize that right?

 

[Robbi]

Because that is what you are determined to see.

You are defending adoption to the point of it not mattering what this child is being put through. Just as these people were determined to "win the prize" not do what was best for the child.

Its great that in YOUR case that your child was giving a loving. stable home without being ripped from her loving parent. Your case is the way it is supposed to work.

THIS child did not need to be adopted. She had a loving caring parent that could take care of her.

Saying that the father should have his child isn't the same thing as saying all adoption is bad, you do realize that right?

All 3 are smiling in the picture that i posted. Are we supposed to think that the smiling pictures of DB with Veronica show him as deranged?

You're right. Veronica had loving parents, the Capobiancos. DB ripped her away from them. He admitted he told the birth mother he would not give her any monetary support thinking that would make her get back together with him. Guess he was wrong.