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The only reason Disney walked away or was it actually JK who walked away, is because Disney got a huge ego and they did got scared when Universal got HP contract and this is why they came out with FLE.
JK talked to Disney first.
Disney tried to convince JK to make changes to her proposal.
She refused to consider their advice, BUT DID NOT WALK AWAY. Disney could have accepted her terms..and you'd have WWOHP at DHS.
They didn't. Thus, they walked.
That last bit...is in your opinion. Do you have anything to support it? That FLE was a reaction to WWOHP? Or that WWOHP "scares" them (because Iger, himself, says otherwise in a recent Bloomberg article).
Maybe it was...but I've seen nothing convincing me. I could be swayed either way.
I think you getting me wrong, I am not suggesting that Disney suffers because of HP or that they needed it desperately, I suggest that HP turned to be a success bringing money and new customers and Disney could use it. There is no such thing as too much profit. Instead they got competition on their hands. Game changed, people go to Universal more while they could go to Disney.
No, I get you just fine.
But they're not going to Disney any less (and, actually, more).
Which is the only thing Disney really cares about.
The game didn't really change that much...at least not for Disney. Well, it got better (they're making more money)...but not the way you're implying.
If they're not suffering from it's loss...and didn't need it desperately....then you've basically just made my point. It likely wasn't worth it.
The only way to prove that Disney made no mistake with HP, is to show that project turned to be lame and unsuccessful and no matter how you twist it, it is simply not true.
No, actually, it's not. Because you have no idea what form the Disney version of the project would have looked like.
You show the decision was a mistake, IN BUSINESS, by showing a negative effect..either on the projected bottom line or some other quantifiable. There just aren't any.
YOU, as a fan, can judge it however you want. But then you say just that.
So all the talking about people spending more money, attendance goes up not even related to the fact that people could spend even more and attendance could be better filling those rooms already built and being built.
Because one is based in reality..which we have.
The other is a big game of "what if". And our game of "what if" is based on what little information we have at our disposal to play it. All of it shows Disney coming up roses.
DISNEY'S game of "what if", done during the negotiations, was fully informed. They decided it wasn't worth it.
Universal simply showed those biggest gorillas that they can do things just as good. As for half day parks. Universal is compact, less walking, more hit rides, less fillers. You will do much more in half day at Universal then you will at Disney because rides are spread, because there are only that many popular rides in each park. Obviously you need more time for Disney but how much time you actually waste with all the transportation and walking? And having 4 parks is nice but 2 of them are half day parks and not because you can complete it in half day but because there is not much to do there. How many of us combine DHS and AK in one day and go there only to hit few rides. Disney got a lot of work to do with those 2 and with Universal breathing at their necks they better do it fast.
Breathing down their necks, how?
Not in terms of attendance.
Again, the two "flawed" Disney parks (which was what I was referring to when I was talking about 1/2 day parks) outdrew IOA by 2 million visitors EACH, in 2011. That's more than 25% more than IOA's total attendance.
That's not breathing down anyone's neck.
Disney maybe be biggest but it is not a time to relax, there is a lot of competition going on and believe me they know, this is why they came out with Avatarland and we will see if they actually drop it or will be smart and create something great and well needed.
And they're not relaxing. They haven't been relaxing. There's no reason to think they're going to relax.
But not relaxing doesn't mean "needs HP". They've got plenty of other options, in house.
Edit: I think we're sufficiently far off topic of Avatarland, at this point. If you feel the need to respond...feel free to have the last word. I've more than made my point, IMHO.