One of my favorite parts of going to Disney was seeing how to work the fast pass system. I used to run straight to tower of terror grab a fast pass while going on standby. Then as my window time opened up I would grab a fast pass from rockin roller coaster. Then use my fast passes on both while getting new ones. It was such a challenge but I loved it. Last night as I booked my fp+ I realized part of my thrill of my Disney vacation was gone. Now I just have to stress about going from test track, to Germany for dinner to the seas to see nemo. Lol. Just wondering if anyone else misses this.
I also have no clue how someone who doesn't know anything about Disney can book fp+. Am I the only one that considers locations in the park for my itinerary? (Granted in traveling with a 4 and 1 yr old so I can't be going all over the place).
No shenanigans here. I'm honest about the fact that we used crowd calendars and chose parks per day. That was, then, mostly due to booking ADRs. We did not, however, do any kind of "these rides in this order" type of plan like those Touring Plans/Unofficial Guide has. We did not decide what direction to go in a park until we were in the park.
The only difference I see now between the two systems is
1. less fp easily
2. No more rd unless I want to get up and I still get to ride TSM or Soaring.
3. Less walking, no more criss crossing the park every hour or so
Yet those supposed motives have been and continue to be used to defend various opinions and theories and that motive was to make FP more fair or evenly distributed because guests took advantage of loopholes.
As far as the rabbit hole, maybe you should at least explore it a little. What you find might change your mind about a few things.
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So, still gonna go with calling me dishonest?
4. No ride repeats by FP unless you luck into a headliner open as a 4th. - normally go in off season and still did rp, so tsm and soaring where the only have to have fast pass - rides
5) Tiering? - yep kinda sucks
6) Commitment to which park on which day before you know what the weather will be like or if kids will be sick. weather never impacted my days, lucky no one has never been sick at Disney
7) Slower moving standby lines on things that previously did not have FP - this is wonky.
I don't think you are disagreeing with me that a result of FP+ is a more even distribution of FPs, especially for the most popular attractions....
Where we seem to disagree is whether that is something Disney wanted to accomplish or is just an unintended result or one that Disney is totally indifferent about. I just have a hard time accepting that Disney (or any successful company) would so indifferent about its guests' experiences that it wouldn't take that into account when making decisions like this...
Im sorry.
You are the exception to the rule. Most of the people I see planning on here do plan which park which day, way in advance of the 60 day fp+ mark.
So when you showed up at epcot you didnt first go to tt or soaring to pull fast passes?
So when you showed up at HS you didntn first go to TSM to pull fast passes?
So when you showed up at Mk you didnt first go to your favorite headliner to pull fast passes?
So when you showed up at AK you didnt first go to animal truck ride or yetti to pull fast passes?
I disagree. I've used FP+ for high, medium and low season crowds. High crowds were the only time FP+ was a benefit for us.FP+ impact has really hit the high season people more. SO I have no comment for high season impact because unless the trip was free, Im not going when the crowds are over 4/5 level.
Yeah, lots of people on these boards look at park hours and crowd calendars once they're out to get a rough idea where they might want to go. But lots of people are also looking at when EMH are scheduled, times for Wishes or MSEP schedules, etc....It doesn't mean they are making decisions that far out as to the exact park they want to go to on the exact day. That's why there are a lot of people who purposely avoid making ADR's and stick with counter service so they can go with the flow.Most of the people I see planning on here do plan which park which day, way in advance of the 60 day fp+ mark.
Regrettably, I suppose I am disagreeing. I don't agree that FP's are distributed more evenly to the benefit of guests because I believe that FP's are distributed more strategically to the benefit of Disney.
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This does not jibe with any understanding of the word "loophole" with which I am familiar. The CMs knew that people were returning after the stated time, told them they could do so, and even suggested that they do so. It takes a very broad definition "loophole" to lasso this into it. This "loophole" debate has raged for 4 pages and I still haven't seen a single example of any FP- user here actually exploiting one and doing something that Disney did not allow.CMs told is not to worry....
ETA: and to be clear, there was no deception with the CMs. They saw the times on the pass and would admit anyone after the start time. It was a permitted loophole--just to make that clear.
Seriously? Tell me. What crowd calendar app or website was I using in conjunction with my FP usage in 2001?lauradis post: 53196537 said:This is where FP- lovers aren't being honest.. Most of us use crowd calendars to avoid parks with larger crowds so we where always picking which park which day in advance. Most of the time we where picking which park which day when the disney released the times schedule.
So im calling shenanigans on not deciding what park before rolling out of bed.
Oh yes, I had the park of the day selected way before our trip started, but if we rolled out of bed and for some reason decided to go someplace else we could. We didn't lose our FP's for the day. Now that's not so easy if you want headliner attractions.This is where FP- lovers aren't being honest.. Most of us use crowd calendars to avoid parks with larger crowds so we where always picking which park which day in advance. Most of the time we where picking which park which day when the disney released the times schedule.
So im calling shenanigans on not deciding what park before rolling out of bed.
This does not jibe with any understanding of the word "loophole" with which I am familiar. The CMs knew that people were returning after the stated time, told them they could do so, and even suggested that they do so. It takes a very broad definition "loophole" to lasso this into it. This "loophole" debate has raged for 4 pages and I still haven't seen a single example of any FP- user here actually exploiting one and doing something that Disney did not allow.
Seriously? Tell me. What crowd calendar app or website was I using in conjunction with my FP usage in 2001?
Yeah, lots of people on these boards look at park hours and crowd calendars once they're out to get a rough idea where they might want to go. But lots of people are also looking at when EMH are scheduled, times for Wishes or MSEP schedules, etc....It doesn't mean they are making decisions that far out as to the exact park they want to go to on the exact day. That's why there are a lot of people who purposely avoid making ADR's and stick with counter service so they can go with the flow.